Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)

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**RobertsMinis**

Other interesting things were that they would consider going back to the Men of Arms but there are other human armies they would like to explore first namely Norse (a mention of Ice Giants) and Middle Eastern (mentions of Genies).

There are plans for something special on Friday, Forces of Nature related was hinted at.

Ronnie is actually very funny.

**BobtheInquisitor**

I really wish they would just move on to board game plastic instead of restic or metal for elite units or monsters. Metal heroes are somewhat acceptable, except half the metal Mantic heroes I've bought were underwhelming for their price.

**overtyrant**

Plastic boards and scenery look great. Bit pricey but look great.

**RobertsMinis**

The quality of the secret weapons boards is top notch. 4ground stuff is great - painted and easy to build. It does have the limitations of MDF and the joins can look a bit meh.

**scarletsquig**

I have a Secret Weapon board, it is absolutely amazing. If you have the cash it is the final word in a high quality modular gaming surface that will last a lifetime.

**primalexile**

Frontline Gaming mats are a much better option imho, but that is an argument for another thread.

These updates have been so underwhelming I have actually dropped my pledge from 250.00 to 1.00. Metal figures and just crappy concept art are not doing it for me on this one.

I could be tempted back up to a mega army if Abyssal's get armored humans.. I would love to see a troop type of humans wearing armor similar to forgeworlds chaos dwarves.

**sukura636**

primalexile wrote:
Frontline Gaming mats are a much better option imho, but that is an argument for another thread.

These updates have been so underwhelming I have actually dropped my pledge from 250.00 to 1.00. Metal figures and just crappy concept art are not doing it for me on this one.

I could be tempted back up to a mega army if Abyssal's get armored humans.. I would love to see a troop type of humans wearing armor similar to forgeworlds chaos dwarves.

This is not the lawsuit you're looking for

**adamsouza**

I'm just really suprised they didn't throw in the Dungeon Siege Abyssals as an add-on or stretch goal.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Well either they people have asked loud enough (or they feel this is doing sufficiently badly) to do what they've been insisting they would not do

Army upgradges

Update #21 Nov 27 2014

Happy Thanksgiving!

We just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to our friends in the United States and all of our friends around the world.

Without you and the countless other hobbyists in the world we could not run these kind of creative projects. We love our games, and you guys help make it possible. Thank you.

As is tradition, we’re in that Black Friday-crazed weekend of special deals and tantalising offers – and we know a little something about crazy crazy deals. And we’re going to start some of that madness right here, right now.

Welcome to the start of our Black Friday Weekend Spectacular!

NEW PLEDGE LEVEL!

Tomorrow we are going to unleash the limited Ultimate pledge which will nab you all of the Mega Armies - perfect if you want all the armies or have friends or local club players who want to get into Kings of War together.

For $850 it will get you:

- a God of War pledge ($150), including any 2 Starter Armies or 1 Mega-Starter Army

- Any 8 Mega-Starter Armies ($800)

That’s one $100 Mega-Starter Army totally free!

If we end up doing a new Mega-Starter Armies for any reason (nature?), then we’ll include that one free as well.

These will only be available in highly limited numbers, so grab them before they’re gone - they will be made live tomorrow around 5:30pm GMT!

NEW! ARMY BOOSTERS

So, you’ve picked your pledge level and you’ve picked what army/armies you want – but now you want to go a little bit further? Well, after being asked and asked and asked for it, we’ve put together some Army Boosters that allow you to expand your starter and mega-starter armies with heroes, elite troops and warmachines.

These discounted army boosters are sets configured especially for the Kickstarter, and contain some of the more specialist kits not usually stocked in stores. They are perfect for adding more variety and choice to your force.

Check them out:

All but the Ogres have an Army Booster option now available to add-on to your pledge for $75, saving you around 25% from buying the kits individually whilst addin greater choice and variety to your force.

For the Ogres we recommend adding on a Starter Army.

Want more stretch goals?

Well we are now less than $1400 away from unlocking the Orc War Drum and then boom…

... we’ll include it in the Orc Mega-Starter Army and make it available for $15 to add on.

Since we're so close to breaking the goal, we're going to let you know what the next Stretch Goal is now - we won't post up an update when we break the Orc War Drum.

So, earlier in the week we gave you the Ogre Warlock…

… now it’s time for the Ogre Berserker Braves!

NEW! BONUS $240,000 Ogre Berserker Braves

Hand picked by a Warlock, these young warriors, while deemed not fit enough to be included in the great mercenary companies of the Ogres, nevertheless are fearsome warriors. Fuelled by sheer devotion and versed in the lore and mysticism of their people, they provide not only a physical defence for the Warlock but also a powerful source of energy for him to tap and turn against his foes.

If we hit this stretch goal, we will sculpt and produce the Berserker Braves for the Ogres. This unit is neutral aligned, meaning that you can also use the ally rules to take them in any Evil or Good army as well.

The Ogre Berserker Braves actually boost the Ogre Warlock with additional special rules, making him considerably more capable in his abilities. Similarly, the Warlock gives the Braves a little boost as well, in addition to their Headstrong ability that allows them to possibly shake off Wavering results.

You can add on a set of 3 metal Ogre Berserker Braves onto your pledge for $15.

We will also include the Berserker Braves in the Ogre Mega-Starter Army ($100). You can include this Mega-Starter Army in a pledge of God of War ($150) and Early Bird) or add one on to your existing pledges.

And that's your lot! Make sure you check back tomorrow - just 4 days remaining!

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Some of those "add-ons" look better than others, but as value goes, i'm thinking i'll stick with my plan of adding a second matching mega-army bundle to any army I go in for. It just seems like you get a lot more for another $100 than you do for $75, especially in light of every faction looking to end up with a free hero and elite unit per mega-army bundle anyway.

**ced1106**

Dungeon Stone Tiles took all my KS budget, but Mantic has a 15% off BF sale this weekend, including pre-ordering their CRAZY BOXES!

This year, they have a SF one, and a Christmas one. $75 USD gets you free shipping.

I hear it may be difficult to find individual models. Amazon has some search results?

Black Friday Weekend Madness

This weekend we have Black Friday, Cyber Monday, our Kickstarter is ending and a total weekend of madness and fun in between – we’ve even put out our weekly newsletter on a Thursday instead of Friday it’s that crazy!

To help celebrate Thanksgiving and to kickstart your Black Friday Extravaganza, we’ve set-up this discount code for the Mantic Webstore. Get 15% off everything in the Mantic Webstore by using the code:

THANKSGIVING2014

Whether you’re eyeing up that copy of DreadBall you wanted to get the kids for Christmas or maybe you’ve spied the return of the Christmas Crazy Box, you can use this code to get 15% off. The code expires midnight GMT Monday 1st December - don’t miss it!

**Tamereth**

Still feeling underwhelmed by this Kickstarter, there's just not been enough new stuff. Even most of the abyss stuff is from the DS Kickstarter.
Here's hoping the last weekend brings us forces of nature and some excitement.

**lord_blackfang**

The Sci-fi Crazy Box looks tempting.

**Nostromodamus**

Tamereth wrote:
Even most of the abyss stuff is from the DS Kickstarter.

Wrong.

KoW Lower Abyssals and Succubi are being tooled as sprue plastic with head/weapon options and Imps on the frame, and the Hero model wasn't in the DS KS.

**GrimDork**

I have sooo much deadzone stuff I'm not sure I could order the SciFi box. Too bad no all fantasy box, KoW units are pretty splashable so even 10 elves or 3 werewolves can easily see play.

Are these higher this year or is the smaller size always $40? 15% off should cover shipping a single box at least.

Curious as to the BF/closing weekend deals/reveals. Should beinteresting.

**adamsouza**

Tamereth wrote:
Still feeling underwhelmed by this Kickstarter, there's just not been enough new stuff.

New Edtion of the game
New Counters
New Army Creator App
New Chess Clock App
New Map of Mantica
New Campaign Book
New Tyrant Blaine
New Necromancer
New Soul Reavers
New Mage Quuen
New Forest Shamblers
New War Wizard
New Arbalest
New Ogre Shaman
New Lower Abyssals
New Abyssal Magi
New Abyssal Imps
New Abyssal Succubi
New Abyssal Champion
New Abyssal Iffrit
New Elf King On Dragon
New Basilean Lord On Dragon
New Abyssal Supreme Isoncaster on Greater Winged Abyssal
New Dwarf Warsmith
New Orc War Drums
New Army Specific Dice
New Ogre Beserker Braves

**Compel**

Oh feth, it is NOT allowed to be crazy box time already.

**adamsouza**

How good are the Crazy box deals ? I've never bought or seen one.

**Eilif**

I bought one a couple years ago. It definitely contained more than double the value compared to the price. Mantic doesn't have a huge resale value, so unless you're splitting it with a friend who has different interests I'd probably skip it.

IIRC, I split it with 2 other folks and we all were very happy with what we got. If I had bought it on my own, I probably wouldn't have been as pleased with the value as compared to what I would have found useful.

**Compel**

They're usually very good, to be honest, though it helps to be quite comfortable, or at least, open minded with most of mantics various models. EG, if you hate restic or want to burn any Basileans on a pyre, don't buy them.

They're quite good as gifts too to entice someone into mantic. - "Here's a box of random mantic models, see what you like and call me in the morning for a game."

Here's a couple of examples from last year:

C for Chovar
1 Bag of 10 Corporation Marines
1 Bag of Basilean panthers
1 Sprue of 10 Elven Bowmen Command
1 Sprue of 2 Orx Warpath Command
1 Sprue of 2 Deadzone humans and 1 Deadzone Yndij
1 Bag of Dreadball Z'zor with Guard and Striker
1 Silver Paint pot (anyone know the actual colour?)
1 Loka Skeleton pawn
1 pair of clippers

D for Deadzone
1 Warpaint Gold
1 pair of clippers
1 KOW Orc Command arm sprue (Hrm, no bodies)
1 bag of 2 Dreadball Asterians
1 Loka... Fire elemental?
1 bag of Ogres with 2 guns
1 Deadzone sprue with Marauder boy and Goblin Sniper
1 Warpath Veermyn Sprue
1 Sprue of 10 Elven Bowmen Command

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To be honest, I've only assembled a few of the models from my crazy boxes and haven't painted a single one yet... But still, they're good value.

Oh, a thought, are the starter armies points and game balanced? I'm thinking of getting the Abyssal Dwarfs and Abyssals starter armies and it'd be nice if they could square off against each other in intro games.

**adamsouza**

There were points totals listed earlier in the thread.. They were all within a few hundred points of each other, with Undead being the highest, if I remember correctly. No way to tell for Abyssals, since their army is getting a complete rules overhaul to go with the new models.

**squall018**

Also remember the crazy boxes don't come with bases, so order some if you don't have any extra lying around.

**GrimDork**

The sale goes on until the first maybe? I'd like to see a couple of breakdowns from open day, especially the difference between the generic and scifi only boxen.

**JoshInJapan**

So, most of the recent stretch goals are for metal models. Does this mean that Mantic is trying to move production back in-house? I would have no complaints about that, as they do fine work on their metal models.

**judgedoug**

The implication is that they are not going to make any more restic/pvc models. When was the last one that was made/released? Everything recently has been hard plastic, metal, or Mars Attacks boardgame plastic.

**carlos13th**

I found the crazy boxes to be a great deal for what you get yet paradoxically a waste of money to me. It's a nice selection from a variety of mantics ranges but realistically there is probably a great deal of it you will never touch.

If your after just some stuff to paint up, stuff for the bits box or a sample of mantics range then it's a goo deal but if their is a specific game or army you want to get into then it probably won't provide you with what you need to get into that.

**.Mikes.**

I haven't been one of those people who have been calling for a KoW version fo Deadzone. It just didn't appeal to me.

Until, for reasons unknown, on my ride to work this morning my mind started thinking about a small band of elves fighting their into a ruined castle, the archers taking up positions so the few swrd elves could defend a moss covered gate from an attack, and thought, "Why the hell hasn't this been locked in yet?!"

I don't know why I started thinking about it this morning, and i don't know why but I'd rather it wasn't on a grid-based board, but count me in the corner as somoene who wants KoW Deadzone now.

**AlexHolker**

adamsouza wrote:
How good are the Crazy box deals ? I've never bought or seen one.

There are too many terrible models in Mantic's range for a lucky dip to be worth buying.

**edlowe**

Crazy boxes are a bit of a mixes bag but i did find a use for over half the content of three boxes including the start of an ogre force. Plus the clippers are good.

**Bioptic**

Crazy boxes are quite literally a mixed bag! It tends to be Mantic getting rid of their cheap (i.e. hard plastic sprues) stock, or the stuff that is outdated (like the posters that come in boxes of elves, copies of the Mantic journal, KoW supplements that are going to be replaced in v2.0), with a mix of more up to date stuff in smaller volumes, like Deadzone mercenaries, Dreadball MVPs, or individual bags of Restic troops.

They can include quite up to date stuff (last year I got some Deadzone models in advance of the Kickstarter being posted out).

And yes, make sure to order plenty of extra bases if you don't have them around! Getting sent 20 undead and 10 corporation marines and 6 orcs etc. etc. will chew through spare bases like nobody's business.