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It appears that marijuana legalization, recreational or medical, is taking off in this country. So far 4 states, as well as Washington D.C., have legalized recreational use and 23 states have legalized the use of medical marijuana.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/04/361533318/marijuana-on-the-ballot-d-c-voters-ok-legalization?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

Florida was the other state voting on marijuana laws(medical) this voting season and it failed to pass by 2.5%. Thanks to Florida laws, changing their constitution requires a super majority vote! (60%)

But despite this minor setback, people are very optimistic. Mostly because things are in motion on the Federal level. a Judge is currently deciding if it should stay a Schedule 1 substance or not.

http://theleafonline.com/c/politics/2014/10/schedule-hearing-concludes-judges-ruling-expected-december/

I personally believe that it should be unscheduled and held to the same standards as alcohol and tobacco. Any thoughts on this or what is now being called the "failed war on drugs"?
   
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The sad thing about FL's situation, is that the bill that required a supermajority passed with only 53% of the vote. Less than the marijuana law, and not enough to pass its own content.

It's a rather sad statement about how people vote in the US.
   
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I agree it should no longer be a scheduled drug: it just doesn't make any sense on a scientific, political, or hell, even moral angle.

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The DC legalization is interesting.

It doesn't authorize dispensaries like Colorado; it's a "grow and give" law that allows residents to grow plants up to six plants, keep up to 2 ounces (!), and give away, but not sell, up to an ounce to anyone over 21.

I'm interested to see how this pans out for the city. Hopefully it goes well enough to make my state consider it.

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DC is indeed interesting because of the whole "non-state" issue. Full on legalization with allowance for weed sale would make DC a huge amount of money from neighboring states, tourism (which is obviously a huge part of DCs economy already), and all the conventions and gatherings that happen in DC.
   
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There's been some talk about this in Sweden, but it's never really taken off.

I hope it does though, because I don't see any reason for it to be illegal. Maybe it's because we love criminals in this country, and we don't want to steal business from them.

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We have the opposite problem. We love our businesses and wouldn't want the private prisons industry to go broke.

(in reality, frell those guys.)
   
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I am somewhat interested in how Oregon's legalization law works, because last time I was down there (only a week or two ago) the debate was not on whether weed should be legalized, but rather, whether Measure 91 was the way to legalize it.

There were some who felt that there were not enough regulatory requirements, that there wasn't measures of control/taxation, etc. "like Washington has". As if the Washingont legalization bill was the perfect, end all be all in marijuana legalization.
   
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Keep in mind it is still federally illegal anyway you cut it, is it insane that it is a schedule 1 drug? oh yeah. I myself do not have a problem with people that want to consume THC, but i think alot of other laws need to be refined to address the changes (OWI laws, ETC). One thing alot of people do not realise is that legalization opens bad flood gates, for example look at prescription drugs which are tightly controlled (well sort of unless you know corrupt Drs) but still flood the streets, imagine what happens to a drug that can be grown in a flower pot in an individuals closet? Its a very touchy fragile and unstable topic, on one side it can generate alot of tax revenue and make casual or addicts(yes THC is mentally addictive, sorry but you can form dependence on it) users not obliged to buy from the shady guy in the back alley. Then on the other side you open the door for marijuana drug smuggling to increase even more, augmenting the need for cartels to increase shipments and violence..or if you want to look at the domestic aspect, you leave room for money hungry people to start illegal grows and spoil it for those who try to do it by the book. Like i said i'm not anti-THC, but theres so much more that needs to be done to make the legalization of it 100% accepted, all its going to take is a few kids getting run over by a stoned driver for the old guard of the population to go back running to their black and white movies of people smoking THC and becoming phsyco killers...

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I think that one of the "good" flood gates that opens is in the Treatment options for addicts. Now, instead of treating someone who is addicted to Marijuana (really the THC as you point out) like a "dirty criminal", doctors and others involved in dealing with the issue can treat the addict like what they are: someone who is "sick" with a mental health issue.



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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Slightly Off Topic, but this is one of many reasons why I am in favor of federally legalizing things like prostitution.


It is legal. You just have to record it and call it porn

   
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Ive been hoping NJ would legalize (Governor Christie is all thats stopping it at this point), not because I want to smoke (never touched the stuff), but because NJ stands to make SO MUCH MONEY if we get there before NY/Philly.

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I dunno. I know people think we should heavily tax the sales of Marijuana but that would just give the cartels an opportunity to sell here. The last thing we need is to give the Cartels more money.

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Crimson Heretic wrote:
Keep in mind it is still federally illegal anyway you cut it, is it insane that it is a schedule 1 drug? oh yeah. I myself do not have a problem with people that want to consume THC, but i think alot of other laws need to be refined to address the changes (OWI laws, ETC). One thing alot of people do not realise is that legalization opens bad flood gates, for example look at prescription drugs which are tightly controlled (well sort of unless you know corrupt Drs) but still flood the streets, imagine what happens to a drug that can be grown in a flower pot in an individuals closet? Its a very touchy fragile and unstable topic, on one side it can generate alot of tax revenue and make casual or addicts(yes THC is mentally addictive, sorry but you can form dependence on it) users not obliged to buy from the shady guy in the back alley. Then on the other side you open the door for marijuana drug smuggling to increase even more, augmenting the need for cartels to increase shipments and violence..or if you want to look at the domestic aspect, you leave room for money hungry people to start illegal grows and spoil it for those who try to do it by the book. Like i said i'm not anti-THC, but theres so much more that needs to be done to make the legalization of it 100% accepted, all its going to take is a few kids getting run over by a stoned driver for the old guard of the population to go back running to their black and white movies of people smoking THC and becoming phsyco killers...


Agreed. State level legalization is a step in the right direction but it is at best only a half measure. The only reason federal agencies like the DEA aren't shutting things down in states like Colorado is because the DOJ is ok with looking the other way. If that changes it's a big mess. You don't see big money being invested in legalized marijuana, the kind of investment you need to make it a mainstream industry like alcohol, because nobody wants to put money into something that could be ruined by the feds if they change their policy of enforcement.

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
I dunno. I know people think we should heavily tax the sales of Marijuana but that would just give the cartels an opportunity to sell here. The last thing we need is to give the Cartels more money.


Ehh... not really. Most of the "dispensaries" around here are either grown in shop, or at the least grown "locally" by the store owners, according to my friend who now works in one
   
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How many times does it have to be pointed out Weed is not the drug that cartels make boats of money from?

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
How many times does it have to be pointed out Weed is not the drug that cartels make boats of money from?



Probably a lot. As I said though, marijuana is actually more commonly a "locally grown" commune/hippy type thing
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
I dunno. I know people think we should heavily tax the sales of Marijuana but that would just give the cartels an opportunity to sell here. The last thing we need is to give the Cartels more money.


Ehh... not really. Most of the "dispensaries" around here are either grown in shop, or at the least grown "locally" by the store owners, according to my friend who now works in one


Ohhh. I didn't know that. I retract my statement.

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Don't get me wrong. Yeah, the Cartels deal weed, but the market for them to sell it here in the US is small. Way smaller than what they're doing with Coke and Meth. And it's not like they can just up and start legitimate weed business like that.

These are guys who want big money by selling that you can't just buy at a corner store. Legal weed is not much for them to work with. They're not good for laundering money because they're more regulated than a car wash. Plus, what are they going to do when Joe the Weed Farmer sets up shop and starts selling weed on sale with a rewards card? Shoot him?

The cartels thrive off high price product they can monopolize regionally. You can't really do that with a legal business (unless you're a cable company ZING).

   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I think that one of the "good" flood gates that opens is in the Treatment options for addicts. Now, instead of treating someone who is addicted to Marijuana (really the THC as you point out) like a "dirty criminal", doctors and others involved in dealing with the issue can treat the addict like what they are: someone who is "sick" with a mental health issue


Who do you think is going to pay for them?

   
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The point of legalization is to make parchment and rope, not to smoke for pleasure, if I am to go by the people that constantly tell me it needs to be legalized beyond medication.

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I think that one of the "good" flood gates that opens is in the Treatment options for addicts. Now, instead of treating someone who is addicted to Marijuana (really the THC as you point out) like a "dirty criminal", doctors and others involved in dealing with the issue can treat the addict like what they are: someone who is "sick" with a mental health issue.


Can't say I've EVER known a Marijuana addict.



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I agree.

Legalize it. Clean it up. Tax it. Create Jobs. Boost Economy.

 
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I think that one of the "good" flood gates that opens is in the Treatment options for addicts. Now, instead of treating someone who is addicted to Marijuana (really the THC as you point out) like a "dirty criminal", doctors and others involved in dealing with the issue can treat the addict like what they are: someone who is "sick" with a mental health issue.


Can't say I've EVER known a Marijuana addict.



That smelly guy who absolutely reeks of weed, your run of the mill stoner.

Its not as obvious of an addiction causes its symptoms are easily confused with being a GUO.

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I'm all for this. I'm sure it will be a while before it comes to the south though.

I can't do anything until it's federally legal though. :(

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 cincydooley wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I think that one of the "good" flood gates that opens is in the Treatment options for addicts. Now, instead of treating someone who is addicted to Marijuana (really the THC as you point out) like a "dirty criminal", doctors and others involved in dealing with the issue can treat the addict like what they are: someone who is "sick" with a mental health issue.


Can't say I've EVER known a Marijuana addict.
My younger brother is as close as I've ever seen to a weed addict.

He's been an everyday smoker since probably high school and he more or less can't function properly without it.

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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

My younger brother is as close as I've ever seen to a weed addict.

He's been an everyday smoker since probably high school and he more or less can't function properly without it.


I wonder if in instances like his if there is a withdrawal period. I was of the understanding that one of the primary things that differentiated cannibus from other drugs is that had neither addictive or withdrawal related properties.

Off to google!

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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I think that one of the "good" flood gates that opens is in the Treatment options for addicts. Now, instead of treating someone who is addicted to Marijuana (really the THC as you point out) like a "dirty criminal", doctors and others involved in dealing with the issue can treat the addict like what they are: someone who is "sick" with a mental health issue.


Can't say I've EVER known a Marijuana addict.
My younger brother is as close as I've ever seen to a weed addict.

He's been an everyday smoker since probably high school and he more or less can't function properly without it.

Damn... that's a lot of The Chronic man.

It's probably more psychological than an chemical addiction.

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I'm OK with marijuana legalization, as long as it is treated similarly to Alcohol, e.i. must be 21+, taxed, and regulated.

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
I dunno. I know people think we should heavily tax the sales of Marijuana but that would just give the cartels an opportunity to sell here. The last thing we need is to give the Cartels more money.


Ehh... not really. Most of the "dispensaries" around here are either grown in shop, or at the least grown "locally" by the store owners, according to my friend who now works in one


"Sin taxes" don't work because they decrease the behavior and perpetuate a black market. There are plenty of people buying weed from dealers even in places where it's legal and that will continue if the price from an illegal dealer is lower than that of a licensed shop. I'm not saying that licensed shops won't do a nice amount of business just that it won't wipe out illegal sales. People still sell cigarettes on the black market to avoid the high cigarette taxes and tobacco is locally grown and processed. If states want to make a lot of money from the sale of legalized weed they should keep the tax on it low and make money off of the volume of sales. I remember when Congress decided it would use cigarette tax money to help fund SCHIP but the problem with that is that with increased education and taxes fewer people are smoking so there's less revenue and increasing the taxes to get more just drives sales lower.

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