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**ScootyPuffJunior**

Ahtman wrote:
ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
I was mainly poking fun at one of most most egregious plot holes in the story.

That is because the prequels were terrible movies in almost all categories. Until they came out there wasn't an issue such as this, and is one of the problems. It is poorly written, to be sure.

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The Jedi had been pervasive throughout the Galaxy for millennia

They have existed for longer than that, but haven't been 'pervasive' in any sense, other than us seeing extraordinary examples. There wasn't even enough for one per planet, as someone mentioned earlier.

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
yet in less than a generation, the the concrete knowledge of the Jedi has been erased from the entirety of the Galaxy? Impossible.

In the real world it would be, but this is total fiction with at least half of it being very poorly done. Remember in the original films there were people that worked with Vader, knew him, and still didn't believe The Force or the Jedi were real. People at the highest levels knew, like Grand Admirals and Grand Moffs would know, and other strong willed long lived individuals like Jabba would as well, but most people were supposed to not think they were anything more than folklore. The prequels screwed up that simple element to be sure, which isn't the same as pretending that it isn't how the story is presented.

In the end, all these points you brought up are just an attempt to justify a poorly thought out story. Even by looking at how the story is presented in the original trilogy, you can't deny that a ton of gak was retconned by the end of the movies to try and make more sense and it still didn't work (from a different point of view, of course); there are glaring plot holes in the original trilogy before they got really bad with the release of the prequels.

**LordofHats**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

In the end, all these points you brought up are just an attempt to justify a poorly thought out story.

How is he justifying it? Ahtman clearly seems in agreement that this was poorly thought out. Being poorly thought out doesn't change what was attempted to be portrayed.

Granted, the later retcons, that Palpatine used Dooku and Sifo Dias to frame the Jedi as the orchestrators of the Clone Wars as part of a grand scheme to seize control of the Republic, painting them as the villains enacting what was actually his plan. The Jedi were turned into villains in the public eye was a much better plot than everyone just up and forgot.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

LordofHats wrote:
ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

In the end, all these points you brought up are just an attempt to justify a poorly thought out story.

How is he justifying it? Ahtman clearly seems in agreement that this was poorly thought out. Being poorly thought out doesn't change what was attempted to be portrayed.

Granted, the later retcons, that Palpatine used Dooku and Sifo Dias to frame the Jedi as the orchestrators of the Clone Wars as part of a grand scheme to seize control of the Republic, painting them as the villains enacting what was actually his plan. The Jedi were turned into villains in the public eye was a much better plot than everyone just up and forgot.

Yes, we both agree that it was poorly thought out. Really, no one can deny that. Of course, in 1977 it made perfect sense that the Jedi had become all but extinct and the characters we see in film get that point across rather well.

But when talking about he story as a whole, we have to take the prequels in to consideration. So in the grand scheme of things, any attempt to justify why literally no one had any idea who or what a Jedi was is just trying to cover a plot hole caused by terrible writing.

And to be honest with you, I'm more than happy to accept these stupid plot holes as it has no real effect on how much I enjoy Star Wars (which is a lot).

EDIT: Let me be clear that I'm not really saying that anyone who has theories on why the Jedi are so unknown by the time Star Wars rolls around is wrong. They're all equally valid points, I just think they are an attempt to fix a feth up in continuity.