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SNAAAAKE wrote:
Y'know, I played the Beta of this on XBOX ONE and the PC version later and I have to say;

This is one of the most inaccessible games I have ever played in my entire life. The balance is shoddy, the characters feel like they have no weight to them, so moving about is a pain in the arse for someone used to Half Life, the fact that Bastion gets play of the game 24/7 (God that is grating) and the whole MOBA part of it doesn't lend itself well to an objective class-based FPS.

Pretty much all the imbalances you experienced in the beta have been addressed now - charters have been nerfed and buffed accordingly; Bastion in particular had his shield removed when the game was launched, while you'll see abilities on other characters being tweaked to make them more competitive, such as D.VA's Defence Matrix. The speed of characters in this game is deliberate too to balance out Assault games, so that the defending team can't simply keep respawning right in the fight without a Symmetra on their team to teleport them, or a Lucio to get them there faster.

I don't play MOBAs, but I played TF2 for a long time - this game doesn't really have much in common with TF2 when you boil it down, but I certainly get the good vibe I got from that game playing Overwatch.

And quite frankly, I'm glad this game can be inaccessible to a lot of gamers; we live in a world now where games have to appeal to everybody, thus stripping them of their creative potential and depth. It's refreshing to see AAA games that do what they want, and don't care if the "core" audience doesn't like it. Still, Overwatch boasts a roster that can appeal to players of all levels - you don't have to be good at aiming to play characters like Winston or Symmetra for instance, or if you struggle to manage healing your team as Mercy and keeping them alive, you can play Lucio instead. There's a character for every player of any level.

One thing I will agree on though, the POTG system is broken, favouring only DPS characters and Mercy rezzes. That needs to be fixed pronto - give people who carry the game as other characters the credit they deserve!

G.A

 Yodhrin wrote:
Also, I've noticed a big uptick in trash-talking wee gaks recently. You know, the kind who take the time to type "EZ", "LUL EZMODE" etc into chat every time they get a kill, or feel the need to spaz out at the end of a match if their team loses calling everyone "NEWBZ", responding to polite "gg"s with "nuh-uh, bg, totes bg, you suck" and so forth.

Ugh. I'd like to believe it's because of the school holidays, but sadly I've been playing FPS for too long to be that naive, a good portion of them will be supposed-adults.

You're going to get jerks, had horrible experience with this as well. It's little wonder why people don't use microphone or mute everyone from the start. If I'm not in a group I also tend to leave the game as soon as defeat/victory screen appears. I am not sure, if Blizzard can do anything about this. I don't think there's any valid reason to behave in such a way, even when one team mate is clearly performing below the team average. I've been on both ends, players need to learn or maybe the other guy is having really rubbish day. It's so easy to forget there's a person on the other side of a character's model.

I'd like to see a system that rewards positive behaviour. Bans or reminders from Blizzard aren't going to solve this and I don't wish to see OW being on the same level of toxicity as League of Legends.

 Knight wrote:


You're going to get jerks, had horrible experience with this as well. It's little wonder why people don't use microphone or mute everyone from the start. If I'm not in a group I also tend to leave the game as soon as defeat/victory screen appears. I am not sure, if Blizzard can do anything about this. I don't think there's any valid reason to behave in such a way, even when one team mate is clearly performing below the team average. I've been on both ends, players need to learn or maybe the other guy is having really rubbish day. It's so easy to forget there's a person on the other side of a character's model.

I'd like to see a system that rewards positive behaviour. Bans or reminders from Blizzard aren't going to solve this and I don't wish to see OW being on the same level of toxicity as League of Legends.

Any game that is mainstream will be flooded with toxic people; gamers have to be some of the worst people I've ever seen online in general anyway. 90% of them are man children or just plain children who are too young to be allowed anywhere near a console and a microphone/keyboard. I started playing online games at around age 9, now I'm 18 and I don't think I've ever touched a microphone in games. Some things gamers say over the net is downright criminal anyways, hurling death and rape threats at people who said something they don't like or who aren't as good at the game in question as they are. The sooner we get laws internationally that prosecute threats over the internet, the better.

Blizzard are showing no mercy to hackers and exploiters right now, as they're outright banning anyone who's ever used any 3rd party software for life, and banning them again if they try to get another copy of the game and a new account. It'd be nice if such a crackdown was done on toxic gamers too, but we'd probably be left with half the community we have now for the game if that ever happened.

Best thing to do in Overwatch is to assemble a team of 5 others and play games, since it will match you with other teams who are most likely much more friendly and rewarding to play against. Same goes for competitive - don't even bother playing that without a party to go in with

 General Annoyance wrote:

Best thing to do in Overwatch is to assemble a team of 5 others and play games, since it will match you with other teams who are most likely much more friendly and rewarding to play against.

I do play competitive in a team and they are a lot more toxic than quick plays, in my experience anyway.

I can't wait until Genji gets nerfed...

 Silent Puffin? wrote:


I do play competitive in a team and they are a lot more toxic than quick plays, in my experience anyway.

I can't wait until Genji gets nerfed...

More toxic than quick play, certainly, but much better than Competitive in pick up games

I've had mixed experience with Genji - sometimes he's a nightmare and other times he's pretty easy to deal with. I think I just haven't worked out the best characters to counter him. However if they do nerf him, I'm not sure what they would nerf exactly - perhaps add a drop off in damage on his shurikens like McCree's Peacekeeper, or lower the damage of his abilities?

Yeah competitive pick ups are the worst.

finally grinded my self up to rank 60 for this season so im satisfied.

by next season im hoping to have made a 6 stack.

iv had fantastic results with mei and mc cree

also cree got his damage back didn't he? he is the bane of my phara.

 Desubot wrote:

also cree got his damage back didn't he? he is the bane of my phara.

He received a new update that buffs his damage slightly, and his rate of fire when fanning the hammer has been increased. The trade off is that he now does a fraction of the damage he usually does at longer ranges; the drop off in damage starts at 10 metres in game (you can see this on the firing ranges), and at around 30 metres it takes about 5 headshots to kill someone as opposed to just 2 normally.

I find that I have tons of issues with Genji, his deflect ability is rather frustrating for me as someone who plays a lot of Soldier 76

 War Kitten wrote:
I find that I have tons of issues with Genji, his deflect ability is rather frustrating for me as someone who plays a lot of Soldier 76

To be fair he is squishy as feth.

you got to be good at guessing when they will use it, or just shoot them after.
he will often dash away right after too so account for which way he is facing
not nearly as fun when you are tanking and holding up a safety square for the team and the team cant deal with him.

Thanks for the advice. I've also had some success firing a few shots at him to make him pop his deflect and then hitting him with a helix rocket while it's cooling down

It's not unusual to have entire back line killed by Genji. I hope they nerf him. The character is far too scary when he's mastered.

 Desubot wrote:
finally grinded my self up to rank 60 for this season so im satisfied.

Kudos!

Maybe I'm too busy actually playing the game, but I personally haven't seen much toxicity. Just a GG at the end (generally) and that's about all I see.

I enjoy junkrat a lot, but I'm not sure I'm very good with him.

Roadhog is easily my favorite character, and the one I'm best with. I easily get 2 gold medals and at least 2 other medals. Hell, last night I got 5x gold medals with roadhog, but I was playing with a TERRIBLE team.

I personally haven't seen genji be that horribly OP, though he can get some good kills with his sword. All I know is that I'm not very good with him.

I also enjoy Mcree......but holy damn his ult is hard for me to use. I'm usually happy if I can get one kill with it without dying myself.

Also.......I personally think that D.va and bastion should be auto-disqualified for POTG. It seems like every single time it's just them pressing 1 button and wiping the enemy team. Though, I'll admit bastion is getting more and more scarce the higher level I get (around 30 now). But D.va is still everywhere.

I'm getting better at avoiding d.va's explosion, but sometimes there's just no avoiding it. And it's blast radius is INSANE.

D.VA's currently my best character, and I can say she desperately needed that buff to her ultimate - before it took 4 seconds to detonate, in which time everyone had seen it and managed to get away from it, plus the explosion could kill you after you drop it. Dropping it by one second really made her playable again; that and her Defence Matrix being on toggle

As long as you block LOS to her Mech, it shouldn't kill you when it self destructs - pretty much the only time I've ever crouched in the game, that and when I carried the payload to the finish line as pilot D.VA

I've found that I suck at all the Offence characters bar Tracer and 76. However Genji has to be the least annoying to play against, since you can easily telegraph his moves when you see him.

It's funny, one time on Hollywood I blocked the explosion by hiding behind a wooden post in front of the saloon.

But sometimes, it just seems like there's nowhere to go, at least in time.

And I get it, it's supposed to be dangerous, but I swear, I can be halfway across the map and if I have a arm out of cover, I die. It's not the point blank damage I find so annoying, it's that it's basically an infinite range explosion. Or maybe I'm just butthurt.

Overall, though, I think I enjoy offense characters the most. Mcree is a lot of fun, even if I can't use his ult worth a damn, pharah is decent, call of duty is a rock-solid character, I'm even finding reaper to be shockingly strong. Like my 3rd game with him I got my first 20 kill streak.

And I can't believe how much fun tracer is. I never played the scout in TF2, but tracer is a blast. And surprisingly dangerous, too. But you are never more than a lucky explosion or decent roadhog away from death.

Tracer was one of my first characters when I got my hands on the 5 day beta - 16 killsteak off the bat. Think I was born to play her

Still D.VA is my love and life right now - she absolutely rocks on Temple of Anubis, as I found when I scored a 23 killstreak on defence, and won on attack in less than 2 minutes; that map is practically designed for her Defence Matrix and Self Destruct.

Not going to lie, going against D.VA's ultimate can be a real pain when you get chopped down feeling like you had no control over the situation. But then again, a lot of characters are built to deny control to players, Mei being the best example of this. While I get that it frustrates people because it takes control away from them (I think Totalbiscuit ranted about this in a recent video on his channel) it was how the game was designed in regards for abilities that make you feel really good for using them and to give less able gamers a leg up against pros. Overwatch's greatest strength for me is how players of any ability can find a character they can use well and wreck face with them - it gives it a playerbase like I've never seen before in a game with a competitive scene, apart from the toxic players of course.

Anyways an idea I had for when I stop nagging my brother to play Overwatch on his PC and get my own: who'd be up for making a DakkaDakka competitive team?

Sounds like fun. I've been going mental recently since I managed to get a POTG as Reinhardt by blocking 3 different ults and then whacking a guy. I think it was a high noon, a pulse bomb and a self destruct. It's one of my favourites that I've done.

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Sounds like fun. I've been going mental recently since I managed to get a POTG as Reinhardt by blocking 3 different ults and then whacking a guy. I think it was a high noon, a pulse bomb and a self destruct. It's one of my favourites that I've done.

That's a proper POTG if it's in your highlight reel, see if you can record and send it - that sounds like something worth watching

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Sounds like fun. I've been going mental recently since I managed to get a POTG as Reinhardt by blocking 3 different ults and then whacking a guy. I think it was a high noon, a pulse bomb and a self destruct. It's one of my favourites that I've done.

Mine was as dva was a 5man kill wombocombo with a self destruct on a gravaton surge. then proceed to emote and get killed by a reaper

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

Also.......I personally think that D.va and bastion should be auto-disqualified for POTG. It seems like every single time it's just them pressing 1 button and wiping the enemy team. Though, I'll admit bastion is getting more and more scarce the higher level I get (around 30 now). But D.va is still everywhere.

Bastion doesn't seem to get played all that much in my games and if he is he is usually pretty bad. I play him myself sometimes and he has some glaring weaknesses (not least being automatically killed by Tracer's ult, its effectively impossible to avoid).

Dva is ubiquitous and the blast radius of her ult is ridiculous she isn't that scary as standard (but then I play Junkrat usually).

I'd be up for competitive games, though I'm not sure how competitive I'd be. Could be fun to try though.


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Mixing UK / US time zones might be a bit tricky though.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I'd be up for competitive games, though I'm not sure how competitive I'd be. Could be fun to try though.


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Mixing UK / US time zones might be a bit tricky though.

My first intention for the team if I started it would be for people on this site to enjoy Overwatch together as a team, with winning games as second - besides, a lot of the time in Overwatch good teamwork will carry you rather than individual player skill; if your comp is good and you're all communicating, it makes a much better force than a bunch of randoms who are better than you.

And hey, if we fail, there's always quick play!

Because everything revolves around America these days, I'd just have to get used to staying up late - I already do that anyway, but I plan on delving into YouTube at some point for all things gaming and wargaming, so being awake in US time is pretty much a must if it ever grows into something with more than a few thousand subscribers

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

Also.......I personally think that D.va and bastion should be auto-disqualified for POTG. It seems like every single time it's just them pressing 1 button and wiping the enemy team. Though, I'll admit bastion is getting more and more scarce the higher level I get (around 30 now). But D.va is still everywhere.

Bastion doesn't seem to get played all that much in my games and if he is he is usually pretty bad. I play him myself sometimes and he has some glaring weaknesses (not least being automatically killed by Tracer's ult, its effectively impossible to avoid).

Dva is ubiquitous and the blast radius of her ult is ridiculous she isn't that scary as standard (but then I play Junkrat usually).

IIRC you can survive tracer ulti if you use your ulti when stuck.

Bastion can be stupid good against mediocre players. iv rekted so many genjis and pharas that dont know how to peak or reflect properly. against good players it only works with team coordination and actual good callouts as well as increasing your headphone volumes to hear foot steps. its a big deal.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Maybe I'm too busy actually playing the game, but I personally haven't seen much toxicity. Just a GG at the end (generally) and that's about all I see.

I enjoy junkrat a lot, but I'm not sure I'm very good with him.

Roadhog is easily my favorite character, and the one I'm best with. I easily get 2 gold medals and at least 2 other medals. Hell, last night I got 5x gold medals with roadhog, but I was playing with a TERRIBLE team.

I personally haven't seen genji be that horribly OP, though he can get some good kills with his sword. All I know is that I'm not very good with him.

I also enjoy Mcree......but holy damn his ult is hard for me to use. I'm usually happy if I can get one kill with it without dying myself.

Also.......I personally think that D.va and bastion should be auto-disqualified for POTG. It seems like every single time it's just them pressing 1 button and wiping the enemy team. Though, I'll admit bastion is getting more and more scarce the higher level I get (around 30 now). But D.va is still everywhere.

I'm getting better at avoiding d.va's explosion, but sometimes there's just no avoiding it. And it's blast radius is INSANE.

Right with you on most of those- I've always had a really nice time in the game- I wonder, should we look at who's saying nice things about the community, and who's saying nasty stuff? Who's on the European Servers vs the American ones?

I've also not noticed a lot of the same characters in PotG, either. Lots of Attackers and Defenders, definitely, but I see a whole lot of Shutdown plays, which are just as often from any random character as from the specific ones.


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I'd be cool doing some comp stuff as a team. I've got one Dakkaite on my friends list, I think.

I love playing Tracer, but my reflexes.just aren't fast enough to zip around and blink in and out of combat. I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll always just be OK as Tracer.

Anyone else feel the blast radius on her pulse bomb is almost painfully small?

 War Kitten wrote:

Anyone else feel the blast radius on her pulse bomb is almost painfully small?

Not really, considering how much damage that thing does; unless they have Lucio's sound barrier on them, that bomb will outright kill any hero in the game if it sticks to them. Also great when combined with Zarya's Singularity.

Also charges pretty fast if you keep up the pressure (as you should with Tracer) so you can keep chucking it about and remove key players in a few seconds.

I guess I must be a bit worse than I thought as Tracer then. Maybe I should do a few more games with A.I to practice then

 War Kitten wrote:
I guess I must be a bit worse than I thought as Tracer then. Maybe I should do a few more games with A.I to practice then

You don't have to be too good at aiming to be good at Tracer - she's all about hanging in the back of the enemy team and constantly harassing them; all you need to do is distract at least 1 enemy to go after you, as that means 1 less of the enemy team is present where the real fighting is. If you time your recalls right, you should be able to keep alive behind enemy lines for a big part of the game, and only come to the team's aid in the real fight to drop your pulse bomb on that pesky Reindhart from behind.

Also keep in mind that Tracer can blink in whatever direction you're holding down, be it left, right, forwards or backwards, meaning she can dodge stuff pretty well; use that to your advantage in 1 on 1, or when you see Hanzo's ultimate coming your way.

Best way to train against AI is to set all the enemy team as Ana on hard difficulty on a skirmish, and adjust the settings so you can't take damage, or barely take any - Ana AI on hard constantly move about in all directions, thus making them good for natural target practice with any character. You can also reduce the ability recharges to 0% and the ultimate charge rate to 50%, meaning you can practice tossing your pulse bomb at moving enemies while having unlimited blinks to play with

Hope this helps

G.A

That actually does help a fair bit. I'll have to go monkey around with that.

Thanks GA

I seem to play mostly D.Va and Mercy. Pharah is my go-to for Offense, and Mei is my Defense choice (though I haven't played defense in a while).

Mercy's pretty straightforward to play, but there's definitely room for improvement with D.Va. I'm happy about the changes to her self-destruct. Prior to the change, I was happy to kill even one person who wasn't me. Now I don't have to worry about the second half of that sentence.




Lately one of my primary contributions seems to be picking off the enemy Junkrat's wheel (there's *always* a Junkrat on the enemy team) whenever it puts in an appearance.

After Zenyatta's HP boost he plays a bit better, although I wish they'd increase the duration of time his harmony orb sticks after line of sight is interrupted. 3 seconds is way to fast and team mates are usually much faster than Zenyatta and are constantly rounding corners ahead of him and breaking LOS. increasinbg an extra 2-4 seconds would let you follow in healing support without every single object returning your orb. A good alternative could be to boost his speed slightly as he's soooo painfully slow compared to the other healers.

I think the Discord orb returning at 3 seconds is fine, it helps dish out a lot of damage but as a healer he's still the bottom choice. I've gotten incredibly good with him as an offensive player and racked up tons of kills but my healing is very sub par. I'm lucky if I heal 500 points over a match and rarely seem to do much actual healing with the transcendence ult, although I often use it to stop/prevent a massive amount of damage from an opponent's alt it doesn't count as healing for the match. I've had some great matches with him and even managed to get a few plays of the game which is rare for him I managed a match making MVP with a 25 kill streak, no deaths and escorting the payload the entire route.

I like trolling people with Bastion and usually get a lot of kills with an average streak of 8 or 9. Even in missions on the attack he can be a huge asset to controlling the objective where most of the team is focused on playing offensive characters, if you get into the correct positions once you root down it can take the whole team to get you out which is enjoyable. My best match with him was 27 kills with only 1 death. A lot of people dislike him and will withhold votes after the match but it's a sweet victory when you play so well that you not only get MVP but a full 5-6 votes as well. I love his character design (my weak spot for robots) and I think his beeps and boops are funny. He doesn't have a super exciting mix of abilities but what he does have he does well and with a good player behind him he's brutal.

I'm really disliking competitive play as I can't seem to play a single match where somebody doesn't drop. The last 8 games straight I played every single game a team mate dropped and my score took a hit. I think there was maybe 3 matches before that everybody stayed in then another streak of 5-6 games where somebody dropped every damn game. It's really annoying because I've had several matches where my team won but got turned into a penalty match because some jerk dropped in the last 30 seconds of game. I started out at 62 for the season and have fallen to 48 which is frustrating as heck considering you only get purple currency for winning. 300 purple for gold weapon skins isn't ever going to happen for me considering I haven't even played 300 full matches in regular play let alone competitive (and I'l level 72 currently) I've also had a fair number of games where I was only on a partially full team and of course got completely rolled as a result. A team of 4 really simply can't hold up vs a full team of 6. You can sometimes make due with a team 5 provide it's the right mix of heroes but it's really tough being short staffed.

I think the best way to boost your win ratio would be to play like crap during the 10 qualifiers with intent to lose every match, that way you're more likely to end up winning against bad players and boosting your player score much faster. If you start with a high score it's very tough to maintain because of all the drop out team mates you're basically headed downwards no matter how well you play. If you intentionally start low it's kind of abusing the system but the current ranking system is garbage anyways so I'd have little remorse trying it next month unless stuff gets changed around where a team mate drop isn't so crippling.

There's been some great gameplay in competitive, but all the drops completely ruin it for me. I also really disliked the amount of swearing and vulgar comments from players in competitive which seems to be far worse than in casual play, that at least is fixable by just disabling the voice channel. I'm sure it'd help to coordinate with my team mates but it's not worth the trade off of hearing some 12 year old launching into a rage filled swear session because in reality he sucks at playing and then accuses his entire team of failing him. A good team can still work well together even without voice prompts.

I did have a blast the other night with a team of randoms in casual play, everyone was in the mood to do a whole team of one character and it wasn't always the best for the mission but it was a blast. The all Reinhardt team failed, but good lord it was funny as we all piled together and the other team was having a hell of a time with the walls and walls of shields. I'm sure the opposing team really disliked the 6 Torbjorn match on defense, but we made up for it with a 6 mercy match which we lost so badly. We went through 8 different character before the server closed and kicked us, but it was probably the most fun I've had in one stretch since I started playing especially since it was nobody I even knew.