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I got Pharah's in a box, so I'm happy. Got Zens as well. And also got enough gold to buy 2 normal Legendaries- Steambot and Scavenger, here I come!

Unfortunately my holiday RNG failed me and I got no more holiday stuff (other than Pharahs frostbite skin), so I had to content myself with buying the Scavenger skin, the Mercy Holiday Voice Line, and the Barrage Highlight intro

Getting a lot better with Widowmaker! Almost tempted to take her into comp... but I know as soon as I choose her I'll get the chorus of 'omg change pls'. I'd get it a lot with torjborn during the beginning of a night of comp.... then it would dissipate after I prove myself... but I know he's a little more acceptable (at least in the games I've played) than Widowmaker.

I never understood why Widowmaker is so taboo in comp games; she has one of the highest DPS averages in the game when played right. Plus, "One shot, one kill" is no exaggeration against anything other than a tank, provided you aim for the head of course.

Well Oasis is out. I don't like the map. It feels so clunky.

 General Annoyance wrote:
I never understood why Widowmaker is so taboo in comp games; she has one of the highest DPS averages in the game when played right. Plus, "One shot, one kill" is no exaggeration against anything other than a tank, provided you aim for the head of course.

She's taboo because 70% of the people who play her, myself included, aren't good enough to contribute enough.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:
I never understood why Widowmaker is so taboo in comp games; she has one of the highest DPS averages in the game when played right. Plus, "One shot, one kill" is no exaggeration against anything other than a tank, provided you aim for the head of course.

She's taboo because 70% of the people who play her, myself included, aren't good enough to contribute enough.

She needs effectively two picks to lead your team into favor

otherwise one pick and she is out of position just makes it a 5v5

its difficult but it can be done even with one pick.but i find it dubious depending on who she picked off.

if she can get the enemy ana then engage is a good idea

a Lucio not so much.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:
I never understood why Widowmaker is so taboo in comp games; she has one of the highest DPS averages in the game when played right. Plus, "One shot, one kill" is no exaggeration against anything other than a tank, provided you aim for the head of course.

She's taboo because 70% of the people who play her, myself included, aren't good enough to contribute enough.

On the other hand, Widowmakers who are extremely good can pretty much carry their team and spell instant death for any enemy who steps out from behind Reinhardt's shield.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:
I never understood why Widowmaker is so taboo in comp games; she has one of the highest DPS averages in the game when played right. Plus, "One shot, one kill" is no exaggeration against anything other than a tank, provided you aim for the head of course.

She's taboo because 70% of the people who play her, myself included, aren't good enough to contribute enough.

On the other hand, Widowmakers who are extremely good can pretty much carry their team and spell instant death for any enemy who steps out from behind Reinhardt's shield.

True, but I don't think people are willing to bet on randoms being good enough.

People should at least give randoms a chance to prove themselves, rather than immediately moaning when they lock in Widowmaker, Torbjorn, or any of the other heroes that are considered off the meta. You know, the meta that only really applies if you're a real pro Overwatch player, which none of us are.

Some heroes may be more reliable than others in a random competitive match, but people who berate other players for their choices need to realise you're dooming your team from the get go by doing so; the only times one should ever ask random players to switch are either when they ask what they should play as, or if your composition is objectively bad (i.e. No Healers, no Tanks etc.). Even then, you could probably do the gap filling yourself - take one for the team, and avoid any toxicity altogether.

The other day I got yelled at for picking Mercy in a placement match. We have fallen so far

 War Kitten wrote:
The other day I got yelled at for picking Mercy in a placement match. We have fallen so far

That's a new low.

Played a no limits 6v6 tonight, and that was some of the funniest gameplay I've seen in quite a while. We played team keep away with 3 Pharrahs and 3 Lucios to start with (ended at 4 Pharrahs and 2 Lucios), but we were scoring environmental kills left right and center on Illios. They barely set foot in the little house that holds the objective, on the cliff side.

In the second match they took a bunch of Meis, and that's when one of the Lucios swapped up. We struggled a bit that round, but once the swap it was back to swatting them around like flies.

Nothing says a bad day like three rocket barrages back to back...

 War Kitten wrote:
The other day I got yelled at for picking Mercy in a placement match. We have fallen so far

Yeah new competitive meta states that mercy sucks ana rules 3 tank meta is king and if you dont play it then you will lose

at least according to the lemmings.

This is why I pretty much ignore the meta, it changes as often as I change my socks.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Well Oasis is out. I don't like the map. It feels so clunky.

Oh I know right? I've gotten plenty of kills with Widow in it but I think its because a portion of the community is still figuring out all the nooks and crannies.

Its either the 2nd or 3rd map where I keep running in but then realizing the point is to the Right of me as I go past it. I really need to pay attention to the blatant in my face indicator that says where the point is haha.

Oh and did you find that one 'lift' that sort of shoots you into the air? Had fun with that one!


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 War Kitten wrote:
This is why I pretty much ignore the meta, it changes as often as I change my socks.

Same here. Its aggravating to hear them on chat hollering and hooting... or seeing the ALL CAPS in chat... but once we get going, if they're worth their salt, they shut up after a while... but sometimes its a Loooooooooooong while... as in 'when is sisters getting a real new codex' long while...

Yeah playing to the Meta really is pointless outside of Grand Master+ level, where the skill gap between players is at its slimmest.

Do we even have any Grand Master players here?

 General Annoyance wrote:


Do we even have any Grand Master players here?

/sobs uncontrollably.

iv been bobbing around mid masters

but the quality of players have been dropping due to holidays

its not just a problem at lower ranks

there are terrible people at ALL ranks :X

I think I might have made it to Diamond/Low Masters, but since Support players always get lower ranks I was stuck at Plat

 War Kitten wrote:
I think I might have made it to Diamond/Low Masters, but since Support players always get lower ranks I was stuck at Plat

Support players get lower ranks?

On a side note: I've decided to get good with Winston and Rein. I need to expand my list of heroes I can play in comp, and I can't aim for gak half of the time.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
I think I might have made it to Diamond/Low Masters, but since Support players always get lower ranks I was stuck at Plat

Support players get lower ranks?

On a side note: I've decided to get good with Winston and Rein. I need to expand my list of heroes I can play in comp, and I can't aim for gak half of the time.

There was some discussion some time ago about how Support players in Comp were receiving lower ranks and less SR per match than their DPS/Tank/Defense comrades

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
I think I might have made it to Diamond/Low Masters, but since Support players always get lower ranks I was stuck at Plat

Support players get lower ranks?

On a side note: I've decided to get good with Winston and Rein. I need to expand my list of heroes I can play in comp, and I can't aim for gak half of the time.

I haven't fully figured Winston out, but using him to kill support figures seems to be reasonable. Jump into the backfield to get them, drop your shield and chase them around, then jump out if you last long enough to. His damage is so random and poor though. You have to be RIGHT on top of foes to kill them, closer even than Reaper, Symmetra, Roadhog, or D.Va, or at least that's been my experience.

I find that unless I'm close enough to punch them his lightning gun is too random to fight with.

Winston is an Ambush Tank, much like D.VA used to be in the Beta/initial game phase; his damage output is very low, but since his Tesla Cannon is auto aim, it makes up for it since you can focus on harassing your target. Plus, it can track multiple targets if someone comes along to try and stop you.

He's ideal against Widowmaker, Torbjorn and Zenyatta - Zenyatta and Widowmaker don't have the HP or the DPS at close range to deal with him, and you can easily waste Torbjorn while ignoring his turret by plopping down your Shield.

When you use your Ultimate, it's to break the backline or to separate the enemy team; don't expect to get any kills - just focus on flinging your opponents everywhere so your team has an easier job picking them off.

 General Annoyance wrote:
Winston is an Ambush Tank, much like D.VA used to be in the Beta/initial game phase; his damage output is very low, but since his Tesla Cannon is auto aim, it makes up for it since you can focus on harassing your target. Plus, it can track multiple targets if someone comes along to try and stop you.

He's ideal against Widowmaker, Torbjorn and Zenyatta - Zenyatta and Widowmaker don't have the HP or the DPS at close range to deal with him, and you can easily waste Torbjorn while ignoring his turret by plopping down your Shield.

When you use your Ultimate, it's to break the backline or to separate the enemy team; don't expect to get any kills - just focus on flinging your opponents everywhere so your team has an easier job picking them off.

I found he did well vs Mercy, Lucio, and Symmetra as well. The auto aim is nice vs the bouncy lucio players, and helps with the circling Symmetra needs to do. Mercy is often caught with staff out, just be ready to jump after her.

The problem is that those characters are often surrounded and thus you will get pounded while you shoot spitballs at them

The problem with those three against Winston are that they often end up countering him on their own; Mercy can dash out of the range of the Tesla Cannon by flying to a nearby friendly, Lucio can heal faster than Winston can do damage with Amp It Up, and getting close to Symmetra just allows her to use her much stronger primary fire on you. Obviously it doesn't always work against your favour, but I would personally advise not to engage those heroes with Winston - D.VA is the stronger choice against those three if you keep in the Tank category.

 General Annoyance wrote:
The problem with those three against Winston are that they often end up countering him on their own; Mercy can dash out of the range of the Tesla Cannon by flying to a nearby friendly, Lucio can heal faster than Winston can do damage with Amp It Up, and getting close to Symmetra just allows her to use her much stronger primary fire on you. Obviously it doesn't always work against your favour, but I would personally advise not to engage those heroes with Winston - D.VA is the stronger choice against those three if you keep in the Tank category.

He is however pretty good against ana, who cant particularly run away. the best thing to do is learn the shield dance.

also pay close attention to her ability

if she pops a sleep dart then its prime time to get in and hurt some people

but only if they are split up
also land on them when jumping in for extra damage, and dont forget to punch.
thats the key

same key for d.va

Played a comp game for the first time in a while. In fact, last comp game was my last placement match...

I decided just to go ahead and play 'support'.

At first I went with Ana... (I'm trying to be more 'sniper-y' with my choice of characters)... I switched to Lucio after a couple deaths when someone complained that we only had one healer (me). We ended up winning the match 2 to 1. It was actually quite pleasant. No unnecessary shouting/yelling... in text or voice. Plenty of good callouts as far as what was going on around us. I'll probably try another tomorrow... I don't want to provoke the deities of pwnage and have them cast a bad luck debuff on me.

messhallcook wrote:

Oh and did you find that one 'lift' that sort of shoots you into the air? Had fun with that one!

Get a Symmetra to gear up that lift with turrets. And then bounce up and down in it in Bastions Turret mode. It's pretty hilarious against Pharahand jumpy Junkrats or Widows.

This is hilarious. I'm in the top 1% for Pharah Avg. Objective Time. And top 3% Avg. Damage Blocked.

So D.VA has been nerfed with the latest version of the PTR. I'm not really against the changes, but this does mean the Roadhog one hit kill on D.VA will probably be back on the books.

 General Annoyance wrote:
So D.VA has been nerfed with the latest version of the PTR. I'm not really against the changes, but this does mean the Roadhog one hit kill on D.VA will probably be back on the books.

I'm happy about the changes too. Roadhog becomes more fun to play against, Ana becomes less dominant, and Sombra gets a minor buff IIRC.