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 Zakiriel wrote:
Thousand sons have a huge problem with a form of spontaneous mutation refereed to as the "flesh change". We don't see that with the Blood Ravens.
Here is what I believe to be the case with them is. Their gene seed is from a stable source like the Ultramarines or Dark Angels.

This is most likely.

The Thousand Sons thing is a red herring like the idea that the Ultramarines absorbed one or both of the missing legions. Something for Black Library authors to have fun with to screw around with the readers (which they have admitted to doing on more than on occasion). Nothing more.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 Zakiriel wrote:
Thousand sons have a huge problem with a form of spontaneous mutation refereed to as the "flesh change". We don't see that with the Blood Ravens.
Here is what I believe to be the case with them is. Their gene seed is from a stable source like the Ultramarines or Dark Angels.

This is most likely.

The Thousand Sons thing is a red herring like the idea that the Ultramarines absorbed one or both of the missing legions. Something for Black Library authors to have fun with to screw around with the readers (which they have admitted to doing on more than on occasion). Nothing more.

Although the Ultramarines absorbing one of the missing legions would explain how the hell Ultramarine successors have mutaitons despite being "pure".

Purity doesn't prevent mutations, Wy. Stability prevents mutations.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 Zakiriel wrote:
Thousand sons have a huge problem with a form of spontaneous mutation refereed to as the "flesh change". We don't see that with the Blood Ravens.
Here is what I believe to be the case with them is. Their gene seed is from a stable source like the Ultramarines or Dark Angels.

This is most likely.

The Thousand Sons thing is a red herring like the idea that the Ultramarines absorbed one or both of the missing legions. Something for Black Library authors to have fun with to screw around with the readers (which they have admitted to doing on more than on occasion). Nothing more.

One brief mention by a character explicitly doing in-universe speculation is probably a red herring.

When you have multiple cases of a recurring character coming up along with a prophecy (which is waaaaay different than "idle talk" which was what the Ultramarines case was), however, things are a lot more muddled.

Like I said, though, it's a bit of a moot point. Contrary to popular "they'll never reveal" belief, the Horus Heresy series' plot IS advancing, albeit slowly, and the character in question is still actively involved in the plot, so I'm sure the truth (of the prophecy and the current TS loyalist contingent, at least) will be revealed eventually.

They could've just solved the flesh change some way you know, Maybe Tzeentch stopped causing it since he used it to corrupt the greater Legion which worked.

They're actually some fifth-founding Chapter from completely uninteresting origins, given over to nothing particularly "ooh, scary!" nor "ooh, heroic!" nor even "ooh, tragic!"

So, instead, they simply stole the idea of being a Chapter of Mysterious Origins from several other Chapters that share this same sort of "Where do they come from!?!" meme (and, along with it, several metric tons of wargear) and established themselves into the setting.

Of course, it doesn't help that most of their Battle Brothers are absolute morons who require their Commander to describe, in detail, battle maneuvers laid out in the Codex Astartes... which, being a Codex-adherent Chapter, by and large, every Marine should already know these things.

 Psienesis wrote:
They're actually some fifth-founding Chapter from completely uninteresting origins, given over to nothing particularly "ooh, scary!" nor "ooh, heroic!" nor even "ooh, tragic!"

So, instead, they simply stole the idea of being a Chapter of Mysterious Origins from several other Chapters that share this same sort of "Where do they come from!?!" meme (and, along with it, several metric tons of wargear) and established themselves into the setting.

Of course, it doesn't help that most of their Battle Brothers are absolute morons who require their Commander to describe, in detail, battle maneuvers laid out in the Codex Astartes... which, being a Codex-adherent Chapter, by and large, every Marine should already know these things.

Maybe they DID already know but just loooove listening to that accent so much that they pretended not to, just so they could hear it again.

 Psienesis wrote:
They're actually some fifth-founding Chapter from completely uninteresting origins, given over to nothing particularly "ooh, scary!" nor "ooh, heroic!" nor even "ooh, tragic!"

So, instead, they simply stole the idea of being a Chapter of Mysterious Origins from several other Chapters that share this same sort of "Where do they come from!?!" meme (and, along with it, several metric tons of wargear) and established themselves into the setting.

Of course, it doesn't help that most of their Battle Brothers are absolute morons who require their Commander to describe, in detail, battle maneuvers laid out in the Codex Astartes... which, being a Codex-adherent Chapter, by and large, every Marine should already know these things.

Or you know, the game is also catered towards the audience who have never read the Codex Astartes and so don't have a flying monkey's feth what Steel Rain maneuver is. Its for the player, not the marines.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They're actually some fifth-founding Chapter from completely uninteresting origins, given over to nothing particularly "ooh, scary!" nor "ooh, heroic!" nor even "ooh, tragic!"

So, instead, they simply stole the idea of being a Chapter of Mysterious Origins from several other Chapters that share this same sort of "Where do they come from!?!" meme (and, along with it, several metric tons of wargear) and established themselves into the setting.

Of course, it doesn't help that most of their Battle Brothers are absolute morons who require their Commander to describe, in detail, battle maneuvers laid out in the Codex Astartes... which, being a Codex-adherent Chapter, by and large, every Marine should already know these things.

Or you know, the game is also catered towards the audience who have never read the Codex Astartes and so don't have a flying monkey's feth what Steel Rain maneuver is. Its for the player, not the marines.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They're actually some fifth-founding Chapter from completely uninteresting origins, given over to nothing particularly "ooh, scary!" nor "ooh, heroic!" nor even "ooh, tragic!"

So, instead, they simply stole the idea of being a Chapter of Mysterious Origins from several other Chapters that share this same sort of "Where do they come from!?!" meme (and, along with it, several metric tons of wargear) and established themselves into the setting.

Of course, it doesn't help that most of their Battle Brothers are absolute morons who require their Commander to describe, in detail, battle maneuvers laid out in the Codex Astartes... which, being a Codex-adherent Chapter, by and large, every Marine should already know these things.

Or you know, the game is also catered towards the audience who have never read the Codex Astartes and so don't have a flying monkey's feth what Steel Rain maneuver is. Its for the player, not the marines.

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