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I've been underwhelmed by my Tyrranofex. If you do decide to go that route, I'd recommend magnetizing the weapons.
I'd personally recommend the Tervigon, if for no other reason than the fun to be had by spawning new units.
(Bythe way, there's a video somewhere out there on youtube I believe showing how to magnetize everything , including Fex weapons and the Tervigon's Gaunt sac)
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Awesome! Thanks for that input! I like how the tervigon looks and the idea behind it. I'm just starting nids coming from Eldar... So I'm debating between big beasties in the army or a swarm... I'd like to be a bit more casual with nids but not get rolled over... Figure my Eldar can handle über competitiveness... So just trying to avoid being a filthy pleb...
Paranoia is a very comforting state of mind. If you think they're out to get you, it means you think you matter.
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Havelock wrote: Do you ever consider running 2 tervigons? Should I keep the gants equiped with fleshborers or devours? Half and half?
Eh, if I was playing Apocalypse. I'd run a formation of 3 Tervigons, otherwise, they're kinda pricey, so I stick with one. Also, because if you want them to be troops, that's TWO squads 30 Gants you have to bring, which can get even more pricey. But my loadout for Termagants is usually either all Fleshborers for cheap, or I give 10/30 of them Devourers and keep them in the back of the unit.
Havelock wrote: Awesome! Thanks for that input! I like how the tervigon looks and the idea behind it. I'm just starting nids coming from Eldar... So I'm debating between big beasties in the army or a swarm... I'd like to be a bit more casual with nids but not get rolled over... Figure my Eldar can handle über competitiveness... So just trying to avoid being a filthy pleb...
Anytime! I also just got WOTHM, on a total impulse buy...couldn't pass it up.
By the way, with a bit of bit hunting on ebay, you can turn those 3 Warriors into 9. IIRC, you'd need 3 more heads (the sprue comes with 6 I believe), 6 sets of legs, and 6 torsos. The kit has alot of weapons, and you can use extra Devourers from the Termagaunt sprue if you like.
Once you build your Warriors, and see the extra sprue that's left, you'll know what I mean.
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Ehhh, I would bring more than one Venomthrope, because one is easily dealt with. Other than that, I don't really see why you'd Drop pod a Tyrannofex. The single Carnifex I can understand, but it will probably die before doing much, as it is a high priority target.
Also, the Tervigon. Some things I would look into: Hive Commander upgrade for the Hive Tyrant. Allows you to outflank a Troop choice a.k.a Tervigon. So, you can start making another army next to their guys. Also, Miasma Cannon. 36" Poison 2+ AP4 small blast OR template. Pretty nice for outflanking and wiping out some Fire Warriors.
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Havelock wrote: Do you ever consider running 2 tervigons? Should I keep the gants equiped with fleshborers or devours? Half and half?
If you intend to use the Tervigon as a spawner, just make sure you have enough Termagants twith Fleshborers to do so. They can't get pooped out with weapons upgrades.
If you do run devourers, I'd give them a meat shield of 10-15 felshborers. You're gonna lose alot of gaunts before they get in range in all likelihood. But devourers do add good dakka.
(I only have one Tervigon built, so I can't answer your fist question as I don't have the option)
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Havelock wrote: Do you ever consider running 2 tervigons? Should I keep the gants equiped with fleshborers or devours? Half and half?
Only ever run one these days, she's a support unit. One is good. More than one is bad.
I'd keep the Gaunts - all with Fleshborers. It's 315 base for your troop choices (not including the likely upgrades of Crushing Claws, Electroshock Grubs and maybe Adrenal Glands) which dips into your points very quickly.
Havelock wrote: Awesome, so I'm pretty much going to use it as a defensive bug? Sitting on a further back objective?
That's how I run mine. More than likely, she's gonna hit double dice at some point and stop spawning stuff...then you could decide to either stay camped on an objective, or have here push up and join the fray, depending on the game circumstances.
The idea presented above about using a Hive Tyrant Hive Commander rule to get her to Outflank and present a new army target is one I haven't tried, but it sounds intriguing to me, and I'll probably try it next time I run Nids.
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Outflank isn't needed anymore when you can drop Tyrannocytes. Sure, you CAN use it, but it would be more reliable to fill a spore with 20 termagants on the cheap, pop them in the back and let them do their thing. Use other units, Mawloc, spore dropped Carnifex, Flyrant, to provide additional damage and it's all better than a weak MC and her belly buddies. The Outflank used to be our only decent option for troop Deep Strike, but not anymore.
SharkoutofWata wrote: Outflank isn't needed anymore when you can drop Tyrannocytes. Sure, you CAN use it, but it would be more reliable to fill a spore with 20 termagants on the cheap, pop them in the back and let them do their thing. Use other units, Mawloc, spore dropped Carnifex, Flyrant, to provide additional damage and it's all better than a weak MC and her belly buddies. The Outflank used to be our only decent option for troop Deep Strike, but not anymore.
It's a 20 point upgrade as opposed to minimum 75 points, and while you're DS everything else, she can come in the side to provide synapse. I have to disagree that it's useless now.
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Havelock wrote: One thing I read was use the trygon tunnel to pop a full brood of those new zoanthropes out next to enemy armor
Well, THAT is what you use the Drop pods for. Lol
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I love Warriors. I always run at least 3-4 with one Barbed Strangler, and the rest with Deathspitters and Rending Claws. The Venom Cannon is a bit sub-par in my opinion, and it's only a small blast, on a BS 3 model. Plus, the Pinning from the Strangler is nice.
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Havelock wrote: One thing I read was use the trygon tunnel to pop a full brood of those new zoanthropes out next to enemy armor
You could do that, but as mentioned Tyranids get the new Tyranocyte to drop pod them in. For less points that the Trygon, you get 5 Venom Cannons.
The Trygon sadly has no place in a competitive list, except when you run Endless Swarm so you can keep making use of the tunnel when a unit of Gaunts dies.
To answer the Tervigon question, I like mine with Electroshock Grubs and Crushing Claws and moving up with the rest of the army as a Synapse Beacon while my Flyrants do their thing. I personally feel a Tervigon that sits back and shoots is a waste of points - you can get a Ripper Swarm to DS in and do the exact same thing for 45 IMO.
Havelock wrote: One thing I read was use the trygon tunnel to pop a full brood of those new zoanthropes out next to enemy armor
You could do that, but as mentioned Tyranids get the new Tyranocyte to drop pod them in. For less points that the Trygon, you get 5 Venom Cannons.
The Trygon sadly has no place in a competitive list, except when you run Endless Swarm so you can keep making use of the tunnel when a unit of Gaunts dies.
To answer the Tervigon question, I like mine with Electroshock Grubs and Crushing Claws and moving up with the rest of the army as a Synapse Beacon while my Flyrants do their thing. I personally feel a Tervigon that sits back and shoots is a waste of points - you can get a Ripper Swarm to DS in and do the exact same thing for 45 IMO.
<3 Crushing Claws.
However, I've ran my Trygon Prime many a time, and it's always performed well. It has annihilated an entire squad of Meganobs, a Big mek, and a pain boy in one go, before they even got to attack. Yeah, they're expensive, but my gawd.
Havelock wrote: One thing I read was use the trygon tunnel to pop a full brood of those new zoanthropes out next to enemy armor
You could do that, but as mentioned Tyranids get the new Tyranocyte to drop pod them in. For less points that the Trygon, you get 5 Venom Cannons.
The Trygon sadly has no place in a competitive list, except when you run Endless Swarm so you can keep making use of the tunnel when a unit of Gaunts dies.
To answer the Tervigon question, I like mine with Electroshock Grubs and Crushing Claws and moving up with the rest of the army as a Synapse Beacon while my Flyrants do their thing. I personally feel a Tervigon that sits back and shoots is a waste of points - you can get a Ripper Swarm to DS in and do the exact same thing for 45 IMO.
<3 Crushing Claws.
However, I've ran my Trygon Prime many a time, and it's always performed well. It has annihilated an entire squad of Meganobs, a Big mek, and a pain boy in one go, before they even got to attack. Yeah, they're expensive, but my gawd.
Oh, the Trygon Prime is decent I find, purely because Bio-Artifacts can be taken by it. Preferred Enemy and/or Initiative 7 with ID on 6's are godly
My limit is 1750... I left some points out to add in the drop pods (need to update my template lol) but does that look decent? Should I drop the horma for a carnifex or something?
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Paranoia is a very comforting state of mind. If you think they're out to get you, it means you think you matter.
I would personally change the Walking Hive Tyrant to another Flyrant with the same loadout as the original one - many agree they are the best unit in the Codex.
In addition, FMC and Flyers work better when there are more than one so that they can support each other by presenting more than one threat.
The rest of the list looks OK. I normally play Nidzilla (lots of MC) or Tyradactyl (FMC's galore) so I can't comment on swarm based lists an awful lot. But Carnifexes are good
I've found they're pretty resilient but they will go down if people focus on them so you might want to look at distractions so the Carnifex has a better chance of reaching the enemy.
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