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RoninXiC wrote: Urgh.. I hate this.
I disliked the idea of Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings working together.
I HATE the idea of the Elves working together. Not only does the studio army look stupidly random on the pictures, there is no way whatsoever to convince me of the fluff background making any sense.
The distinction between the different races of Elves has been one of THE fundamental aspects of the Warhammer world.
For a stupid money grab they throw it over board..
I hate this.
Well if the WHFB world is ending, I'd imagine it's even more of a bitter pill for them to swallow. Besides, no-one's forcing you to buy it are they? How about we all wait until the book is actually out before complaining about it?
Fireball wrote: It were the characters of Tyrion and Teclis that got me interested in Warhammer two decades ago. I do not know what I should think about this fluff ... I definitely do not like my hero Tyrion being the villain here.
Well, Dark Elves were my very first GW army. I don't much like the idea that Malekith could lose/die in the end. One of us is going to be mighty disappointed. Heck, either or both of us may be completely appalled at what we're left with as an army list at the end.
Wait, so Tyrion is going to be the Avatar of Khaine?
Way to take a dump on the whole Darkblade series, GW.
Not to mention that, according to the prophecy, Tyrion can't kill Malekith as he isn't a sorcerer. So Malekith will kill Tyrion then get backstabbed by Teclis, most likely.
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Been playing Druchii since the early nineties.. Asur and Asraii at times as well.. really nothing that has been shared so far goes against what I have seen from the books and the background written before it.
In fact I'm actually surprised how well they thought it through, ties into several threads of Elf lore that have been in place since the very start of the proper Elf background tales pretty much.
Of course, after the final battle if Malekith and certain Asur are still standing/released from their situation.. I can see some very interesting things going down.
Also tempted to get this one, as I'd like to see where Morathi ends up... my guess would be abandoning Malekith, to side with Tyrion/Khaine.
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I've got agree with some people here and wonder what the hell GW are up too.
I'm all for moving on the storyline and bumping off a few characters, but this chainsaw approach could endanger the entire game. GW risk throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
If I were in charge, I would have done the following to the storyline to advance it for 9th edition:
Dark Elves/High Elves: Teclis to turn evil, Tyrion to have been phoenix king, and Malekith to have been overthrown (but not killed) by a Teclis and that woman who is in charge of the witch elves, alliance
Result: good storyline between Teclis and Tyrion ( yeah I know it's a bit dragonlance ), whilst Malekith and his mother lurk in the background plotting their return.
Empire: Kislev overrun, beastmen laying siege to Middenhiem, Marienburg taken over by undead.
Brettonia: The king killed, the rise of Mousillion, and a land grab by the wood elves.
Dwarfs Vs Greenskins in a massive royal rumble. Skaven plotting in background or invading the empire or Lustria
Chaos invading the dark elf realm, daemons everywhere, lizardmen to the rescue.
Tomb kings is problematic, but Vampire counts would be easy. In return for recognition of Slyvania, Manfred Von Carstein allies with the empire agianst its foes. Leave Vlad dead he had his chance.
And lastly, my favourite. If you want to rejuvenate WFB, introduce a new race: Cathy...
It moves along the story, gives enough inspiration for battles/campaigns, but doesn't burn the house down whilst doing it.
Right, I'm ready to be shot down for this.
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
I'd love to buy this book as it seems like its going to be an exciting one. Besides elves are really starting to grow on me.
However I have little knowledge of the any of the elves. Do you think I will be lost reading this without prior background knowledge? Any recommended books to correct this or would warhammer wiki be sufficient enough to get a good idea of what these characters and armies are like?
Edit: On an off topic note after reading the post above about introducing a new race, god I always thought it would be amazing by the end of this series a new race comes into place. Personally I would love to see Nippon. Do any of the current books detail what's happening over there? I wanna see the samurai march at the end.
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unmercifulconker wrote: I'd love to buy this book as it seems like its going to be an exciting one. Besides elves are really starting to grow on me.
However I have little knowledge of the any of the elves. Do you think I will be lost reading this without prior background knowledge? Any recommended books to correct this or would warhammer wiki be sufficient enough to get a good idea of what these characters and armies are like?
Edit: On an off topic note after reading the post above about introducing a new race, god I always thought it would be amazing by the end of this series a new race comes into place. Personally I would love to see Nippon. Do any of the current books detail what's happening over there? I wanna see the samurai march at the end.
Warhammer wiki is a good reference.
For me, a new race is the logical thing to do and an easy way to freshen up the game.
A samurai themed fantasy army with ninja elements would sell like ice cream of a summer's day!
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Because adding a faction to a line on life support is a smart business decision....
Personally I'm loving the End Times stuff. I realize rules wise we're probably going to see most of this end up in 9th so the rule portion of these books is meh. But the actual fluff books are awesome and enjoyable.
Now as long as someone doesn't wake up from a dream I'm a happy camper. If someone wakes up from a dream people need to let me know which page it happens on so I can just stop reading right up to it
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Hulksmash wrote: Because adding a faction to a line on life support is a smart business decision....
Personally I'm loving the End Times stuff. I realize rules wise we're probably going to see most of this end up in 9th so the rule portion of these books is meh. But the actual fluff books are awesome and enjoyable.
Now as long as someone doesn't wake up from a dream I'm a happy camper. If someone wakes up from a dream people need to let me know which page it happens on so I can just stop reading right up to it
It wouldn't be on life support. It's been 3 or 4 years since I had a GW army, but I can guarantee that if a Cathy or Nippon force came out, I'd happily throw down a wad of banknotes for it. And I suspect many others would as well.
Agree with you about the dream idea. I've got an uneasy feeling that GW are going to do a Dallas on the end times.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
unmercifulconker wrote: I'd love to buy this book as it seems like its going to be an exciting one. Besides elves are really starting to grow on me.
However I have little knowledge of the any of the elves. Do you think I will be lost reading this without prior background knowledge? Any recommended books to correct this or would warhammer wiki be sufficient enough to get a good idea of what these characters and armies are like?
Edit: On an off topic note after reading the post above about introducing a new race, god I always thought it would be amazing by the end of this series a new race comes into place. Personally I would love to see Nippon. Do any of the current books detail what's happening over there? I wanna see the samurai march at the end.
Warhammer wiki is a good reference.
For me, a new race is the logical thing to do and an easy way to freshen up the game.
A samurai themed fantasy army with ninja elements would sell like ice cream of a summer's day!
unmercifulconker wrote: I'd love to buy this book as it seems like its going to be an exciting one. Besides elves are really starting to grow on me.
However I have little knowledge of the any of the elves. Do you think I will be lost reading this without prior background knowledge? Any recommended books to correct this or would warhammer wiki be sufficient enough to get a good idea of what these characters and armies are like?
Edit: On an off topic note after reading the post above about introducing a new race, god I always thought it would be amazing by the end of this series a new race comes into place. Personally I would love to see Nippon. Do any of the current books detail what's happening over there? I wanna see the samurai march at the end.
Warhammer wiki is a good reference.
For me, a new race is the logical thing to do and an easy way to freshen up the game.
A samurai themed fantasy army with ninja elements would sell like ice cream of a summer's day!
Skaven have ninjas covered
Yeah, but where did Skaven get the idea from
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Hulksmash wrote: Because adding a faction to a line on life support is a smart business decision....
Personally I'm loving the End Times stuff. I realize rules wise we're probably going to see most of this end up in 9th so the rule portion of these books is meh. But the actual fluff books are awesome and enjoyable.
Now as long as someone doesn't wake up from a dream I'm a happy camper. If someone wakes up from a dream people need to let me know which page it happens on so I can just stop reading right up to it
It wouldn't be on life support. It's been 3 or 4 years since I had a GW army, but I can guarantee that if a Cathy or Nippon force came out, I'd happily throw down a wad of banknotes for it. And I suspect many others would as well.
You misunderstand. Fantasy is on life support and unable to keep up with the factions it has. Adding a new faction would only make this worse. Honestly fixing the rules is their best bet but that requires and overhaul of magic to make that work.
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Hulksmash wrote: Because adding a faction to a line on life support is a smart business decision....
Personally I'm loving the End Times stuff. I realize rules wise we're probably going to see most of this end up in 9th so the rule portion of these books is meh. But the actual fluff books are awesome and enjoyable.
Now as long as someone doesn't wake up from a dream I'm a happy camper. If someone wakes up from a dream people need to let me know which page it happens on so I can just stop reading right up to it
It wouldn't be on life support. It's been 3 or 4 years since I had a GW army, but I can guarantee that if a Cathy or Nippon force came out, I'd happily throw down a wad of banknotes for it. And I suspect many others would as well.
Agree with you about the dream idea. I've got an uneasy feeling that GW are going to do a Dallas on the end times.
By god I hope they do, they've already killed off/destroyed about a third of my favourite parts of the setting and there's still two whole books to go by all accounts. If they end up with a Warhammer World without Kislev, Tilea, Estalia; half of the Empire(including most of the interesting cities) gone, half of Bretonnia gone, loads of interesting characters dead, and a lot of factions eliminated/combined together, it's not even actually the Warhammer World any more is it. It's particularly galling that they went with the gak-hurling chimp strategy when, as you point out, half of the existing world was almost completely unexplored in terms of the game, and barely fleshed out in terms of the fluff - Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes, the Southlands, bringing back Dogs of War, doing multiple Imperial Armour/Stormclaw-style campaigns with tons of detail and a narrower focus, doing Heresy-style historical campaigns - there were tons of ways for them to refresh and expand the setting without tearing up huge chunks of it.
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Hulksmash wrote: Because adding a faction to a line on life support is a smart business decision....
Personally I'm loving the End Times stuff. I realize rules wise we're probably going to see most of this end up in 9th so the rule portion of these books is meh. But the actual fluff books are awesome and enjoyable.
Now as long as someone doesn't wake up from a dream I'm a happy camper. If someone wakes up from a dream people need to let me know which page it happens on so I can just stop reading right up to it
It wouldn't be on life support. It's been 3 or 4 years since I had a GW army, but I can guarantee that if a Cathy or Nippon force came out, I'd happily throw down a wad of banknotes for it. And I suspect many others would as well.
Agree with you about the dream idea. I've got an uneasy feeling that GW are going to do a Dallas on the end times.
By god I hope they do, they've already killed off/destroyed about a third of my favourite parts of the setting and there's still two whole books to go by all accounts. If they end up with a Warhammer World without Kislev, Tilea, Estalia; half of the Empire(including most of the interesting cities) gone, half of Bretonnia gone, loads of interesting characters dead, and a lot of factions eliminated/combined together, it's not even actually the Warhammer World any more is it. It's particularly galling that they went with the gak-hurling chimp strategy when, as you point out, half of the existing world was almost completely unexplored in terms of the game, and barely fleshed out in terms of the fluff - Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes, the Southlands, bringing back Dogs of War, doing multiple Imperial Armour/Stormclaw-style campaigns with tons of detail and a narrower focus, doing Heresy-style historical campaigns - there were tons of ways for them to refresh and expand the setting without tearing up huge chunks of it.
I hope they destroy everything about the world of warhammer including most, if not all the character. Put Warhammer fantasy on the shelf for a year or two, revamp their whole lines and do a massive relaunch of the "New Age". New rules, characters, lore etc...
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Isn't there the possibility that GW was considering ending the WHFB line, but decided to go out with one final bang, first? (though if End Times is successful enough, it might get renewed. ...and possibly have jumped the shark at the same time, ironically enough, since by the time this is all over, there won't be much of the WHFB world left standing)
Hulksmash wrote: Because adding a faction to a line on life support is a smart business decision....
Personally I'm loving the End Times stuff. I realize rules wise we're probably going to see most of this end up in 9th so the rule portion of these books is meh. But the actual fluff books are awesome and enjoyable.
Now as long as someone doesn't wake up from a dream I'm a happy camper. If someone wakes up from a dream people need to let me know which page it happens on so I can just stop reading right up to it
It wouldn't be on life support. It's been 3 or 4 years since I had a GW army, but I can guarantee that if a Cathy or Nippon force came out, I'd happily throw down a wad of banknotes for it. And I suspect many others would as well.
Agree with you about the dream idea. I've got an uneasy feeling that GW are going to do a Dallas on the end times.
By god I hope they do, they've already killed off/destroyed about a third of my favourite parts of the setting and there's still two whole books to go by all accounts. If they end up with a Warhammer World without Kislev, Tilea, Estalia; half of the Empire(including most of the interesting cities) gone, half of Bretonnia gone, loads of interesting characters dead, and a lot of factions eliminated/combined together, it's not even actually the Warhammer World any more is it. It's particularly galling that they went with the gak-hurling chimp strategy when, as you point out, half of the existing world was almost completely unexplored in terms of the game, and barely fleshed out in terms of the fluff - Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes, the Southlands, bringing back Dogs of War, doing multiple Imperial Armour/Stormclaw-style campaigns with tons of detail and a narrower focus, doing Heresy-style historical campaigns - there were tons of ways for them to refresh and expand the setting without tearing up huge chunks of it.
Fantasy is selling poorly and needs to be cut down in size and scope. Introducing new factions or expanding old ones is the opposite of what they want to do, from the looks of it. That's why "tearing up huge chunks" is their best option.
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I can see them throwing things in line by getting rid of/incorporating existing armies and creating a new one.
Brets get crushed, but maybe become a Rare choice in the Empire army.
Same with Undead/Vamps/Khemri - all one army with flavor like Space Marines.
Elves again - instead of trying to support 3 armies, it's just elves with options.
Didn't say they would happen, just a theory.
I would so love to see Dogs of War again. I miss my paymasters army...
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Hulksmash wrote: Because adding a faction to a line on life support is a smart business decision....
Personally I'm loving the End Times stuff. I realize rules wise we're probably going to see most of this end up in 9th so the rule portion of these books is meh. But the actual fluff books are awesome and enjoyable.
Now as long as someone doesn't wake up from a dream I'm a happy camper. If someone wakes up from a dream people need to let me know which page it happens on so I can just stop reading right up to it
It wouldn't be on life support. It's been 3 or 4 years since I had a GW army, but I can guarantee that if a Cathy or Nippon force came out, I'd happily throw down a wad of banknotes for it. And I suspect many others would as well.
Agree with you about the dream idea. I've got an uneasy feeling that GW are going to do a Dallas on the end times.
By god I hope they do, they've already killed off/destroyed about a third of my favourite parts of the setting and there's still two whole books to go by all accounts. If they end up with a Warhammer World without Kislev, Tilea, Estalia; half of the Empire(including most of the interesting cities) gone, half of Bretonnia gone, loads of interesting characters dead, and a lot of factions eliminated/combined together, it's not even actually the Warhammer World any more is it. It's particularly galling that they went with the gak-hurling chimp strategy when, as you point out, half of the existing world was almost completely unexplored in terms of the game, and barely fleshed out in terms of the fluff - Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes, the Southlands, bringing back Dogs of War, doing multiple Imperial Armour/Stormclaw-style campaigns with tons of detail and a narrower focus, doing Heresy-style historical campaigns - there were tons of ways for them to refresh and expand the setting without tearing up huge chunks of it.
I hope they destroy everything about the world of warhammer including most, if not all the character. Put Warhammer fantasy on the shelf for a year or two, revamp their whole lines and do a massive relaunch of the "New Age". New rules, characters, lore etc...
Serious question; if you dislike essentially everything about Fantasy, why not play one of the numerous other high-fantasy wargames on the market, rather than hoping for something that would ruin the game for loads of other people? I've never understood this mentality of "I don't like this thing, so rather than finding something I do like, I'll argue that/demand the whole thing should be changed into something I do like". If I don't like Football, I go and watch/play Rugby or Tennis instead, I don't sit there hoping the rules of Football will be completely changed to suit my own tastes.
Fantasy is selling poorly and needs to be cut down in size and scope. Introducing new factions or expanding old ones is the opposite of what they want to do, from the looks of it. That's why "tearing up huge chunks" is their best option.
No, Fantasy is selling poorly and GWbelieve it needs to be cut down in size and scope. Whether that belief, and thus their chosen solution, are valid depends entirely on whether they actually understand the reasons why Fantasy is selling poorly. They're making the exact same mistakes they made with Specialist Games; sales were down because of inconsistent model releases, poor event support, and failure to address evident flaws in the rules, they responded by further slowing and eventually altogether stopping model releases, cutting all event support, dropping all the fan-supported publications, and finally abandoning the rulesets altogether, which unsurprisingly failed to generate the big spike in sales they wanted. This time around they're trying a different solution by gutting the background material, releasing a few new-shiny large models, and compressing the army lists down, but once again I'd contend that they're solving a problem that didn't exist and failing to address the actual issues most people have with Fantasy; lack of support/new content(note that "new" does not have to mean "advancing the whole plot on a global, world-ending scale"), issues with the rules, and the abhorrent cost of fielding the large blocks of infantry the game revolves around. It doesn't matter how much of the background they cack all over, how many factions they delete/compress, or how small they make the focus of the future storyline; if they fail to address the actual barriers people have to them buying more Fantasy products, this whole End Times mess will amount to a temporary sales-spike due to the new models(which I freely admit are quite nice, Nagash aside), and then they'll be right back where they started, only this time having nuked the whole setting from orbit they'll be in an even worse position to actually build Fantasy back up to its past levels of popularity.
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It definitely seems that that is the route they're going. I imagine 9th edition will inevitably get rid of the army books and rely on "factions." Less to update, easier to maintain, and yet much more difficult to balance.
I love the fluff aspect of the End Times as they've done a tremendous job with the story. I imagine even the insane alliance of the Elves will be met with well written explanations, just as everything else has.
It's a shame no models will hit the shelves alongside this book though. So far the models have been amazing, and with the quality of the Dark Elf / High Elf / Wood Elf models that have come out with their recent books, some End Times models for the allied Elves would be pretty great.
Can't wait to get my hands on the book, and to scour the local stores and internet for Magic cards...
End Times has generated a ton of interest, and interest is a good thing. What's not a good thing, however, is charging $60 for a 10-man box of Core troops. Until they stop doing stuff like that, sales will continue to flounder.
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Buttlerthepug wrote: I love the fluff aspect of the End Times as they've done a tremendous job with the story. I imagine even the insane alliance of the Elves will be met with well written explanations, just as everything else has.
I'm not hopeful that they can think of any logical reason why Malekith, who is basically paranoia personified, will be willing to let a male mage who previously forced him to flee into the realm of Chaos live.
1) Malekith does not tolerate any potential threat to his supreme rule. Teclis, being a very powerful mage, is a threat.
2) The prophecy that Malekith basically lives by states that he will die at the hands of a male mage (hence why there are no official sorcerers in Naggaroth save Malekith himself).
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I'm really concerned about what this will do to my Wood Elves fluff-wise. Apparently Ariel will be killed off or merged with Allariel to become the 'Avatar of Isha' which means Orion can't be reborn. Ariel and Orion were a MASSIVE part of what made Wood Elves unique as something other then ''Elves in the Wood'', we had the Avatars of Gods before End Times made it cool, and we had Athel Loren. Now, we are losing our Demi-Gods and not fighting in Athel Loren. What makes us unique now, other then Elves with bows that like trees? It just seems we are going to be rolled in to which ever book the fluff demands, this goes against the established Wood Elf fluff.
I hope i am wrong, i know the tag-line is 'Gods will Die' but not OUR GODS!
I think GW have done very little with the WH setting-having been in since 2nd edition was first released i`m amazed at what they haven`t done over the years. They started with a great spread of races and have constantly contracted them whilst needlessly increasing troop types (most of the troop variants that have popped up over the years could have been represented by equipment and or mount choices without a slew of special rules). Where are the background and armies for Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Steppes, Amazons, Pygmies,Tilea, Kislev, Estalia, Separate lizards and Slann and Norse ?
If i had my way all of these would have been fully explored over the years and the whole setting would have been more "ancients" with magical artifacts replacing the gunpowder technology.
jprp wrote: I think GW have done very little with the WH setting-having been in since 2nd edition was first released i`m amazed at what they haven`t done over the years. They started with a great spread of races and have constantly contracted them whilst needlessly increasing troop types (most of the troop variants that have popped up over the years could have been represented by equipment and or mount choices without a slew of special rules). Where are the background and armies for Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Steppes, Amazons, Pygmies,Tilea, Kislev, Estalia, Separate lizards and Slann and Norse ?
If i had my way all of these would have been fully explored over the years and the whole setting would have been more "ancients" with magical artifacts replacing the gunpowder technology.
To be frank, the inept, hamfisted mis-handling of their two core products and the squandered potential (along with a good dash of poorly disguised, moustache twirling greed) is at the heart of much criticism and dissatisfaction of GW.
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jprp wrote: I think GW have done very little with the WH setting-having been in since 2nd edition was first released i`m amazed at what they haven`t done over the years. They started with a great spread of races and have constantly contracted them whilst needlessly increasing troop types (most of the troop variants that have popped up over the years could have been represented by equipment and or mount choices without a slew of special rules). Where are the background and armies for Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Steppes, Amazons, Pygmies,Tilea, Kislev, Estalia, Separate lizards and Slann and Norse ?
If i had my way all of these would have been fully explored over the years and the whole setting would have been more "ancients" with magical artifacts replacing the gunpowder technology.
Both 40k and WFB suffer from extreme bloat in the product range and you'd want to introduce even more separate entities?
Legion: Dark Angels 
), whilst Malekith and his mother lurk in the background plotting their return.
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