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Movement rules say skimmers forced to move over enemies stop before they get within 1".

Question is: Is deep striking movement, or deployment.

If it's deployment, then how to summoned units get summoned by Imperial armies, since they deep strike onto the board but can't be placed within 12" of a come the apocalypse ally.

Kind of rests on whether deep striking onto the board, and the subsequent scatter, counts as movement or as something else.

The scatter and placement is not movement.
Deep Striking counts as moving.

Skimmers mishap before the Deep Strike rule is finished resolving and therefore can't be forced to end their move over a unit.

thankyou for bringing up one of the most contested arguments on these sites, Spellbound. Personally, I don't really care, but in a competitive enviroment, I'd push for mishaps.

As I say this though, keep in mind that I do not use deep striking skimmers. I wish that my Tau vehicles had the rule, but that is another story.

It mishaps.

It's not movement or deployment, it's " arriving by deep strike ", which makes the unit count as having moved but does not follow anything like a movement mechanic.

It's important to understand that even though the model is generally placed on the table prior to the scatter roll, it's not on the battlefield yet.

It's just being put in a theoretical position where it should land if there was no scatter.

Then, the scatter is rolled, and the unit enters play where the scatter dice said, and it mishaps if it must.


There is no movement with Deep Strike, there is no big tournament clarification that stands by the 1" move, and there is no logical argument supporting that camp either.

It doesn't say that exactly, if I remember right.

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Ah, here we are. Page 83.

"If a Skimmer is forced to end its move over friendly or enemy models, move the Skimmer the minimum distance so that no models are left underneath it."

'No model underneath' is not the same as 'no model within 1"'. Even if you allow the rule to apply during deep striking, you end up in base contact with enemy models, which is still a mishap. Compare the wording to the Trygon/Drop Pod, which reduce scatter by sufficent 'to avoid the mishap' or similar wordings.

I would potentially let you use it to avoid mishaps from landing on friendly troops, though, since you can place friendly models - even if they're from different units - in base contact.

Ya, the skimmer rule does nothing for deep striking.

On an aside, it was realized that this can be used so if a flyer is forced to stop over a model, it shifts off it. Though if it moves backwards to less than 18", it will crash.

 Nilok wrote:
Ya, the skimmer rule does nothing for deep striking.

On an aside, it was realized that this can be used so if a flyer is forced to stop over a model, it shifts off it. Though if it moves backwards to less than 18", it will crash.

You mean i can intentionally crash them?! That's great!

 koooaei wrote:

You mean i can intentionally crash them?! That's great!

They have to move the shortest distance off the models, so it may not crash depending on where the flyer "rests". Based on the way it is written, it may be possible to shuffle sideways(?) if you place the flyer perfectly, though that needs it's own thread for.

No, i mean i do want to crash flyers from time to time. And now i have a rule allowance to make a bunch of kamikaze blitza bombers.

 koooaei wrote:
No, i mean i do want to crash flyers from time to time. And now i have a rule allowance to make a bunch of kamikaze blitza bombers.

I don't think you would be able to drop a bomb before you exploded on that movement, though if you need that "spare" bomb...
The standard word of warning, check with your opponent/TO, no sense being "That Guy" and not being able to play in the long run, though if that kind of stuff is the norm at your place, happy flying.

EDIT: You mileage may very since it says "If a Skimmer is forced to end its movement over a friendly or enemy models" which leads me to believe that you can only get it to work if you have Locked Velocity.

Yeah it's kind of like getting your king into check. You can't really do it intentionally, your opponent has to help.

I was asking mostly to see if there's SOME saving grace for the awful, awful dreadclaw drop pod forgeworld recently updated the rules for.

Imagine a drop pod that can mishap by scattering into enemies, but it costs 100 points, eats the passengers, and can't use its weapons if it disembarks anyone.

.....yay...

Its a drop pod that isnt an immobile vehicle though, so you dont have to DS as close - you can stay a decent distance away, as you can move 6" disembark 6" and then assault.

DS models count as moving, but they did not move.

there is no end or beginning of their movement, you can't actually measure their start to end movement position.

the skimmer will mishap.

oh god, not again this...
OK, my 5cents is, deep striking is moving, scattering though, isn't (supported by the fact that you can't change facing) so yes, it mishaps.

side note:
Drop Pods state to reduce the distance to avoid the 'obstacle,' and what that means is open to debate.

As written the rule does absolutely nothing besides wasting ink, increasing word count, and creating arguments. As intended, I believe(but can not prove do to shoddy rules writing) it was intended to work to protect it from mishaps. I do reason it with the removal of the deep strike protection from the monolith.

I don't think this rule applies to a flyer, as a flyer is not a skimmer.

Yeah but the dreadclaw A) must deep strike in hover mode, so it's a skimmer B) does not have the marine drop pod's inertial guidance rule

And for the one poster saying you can move 6" then disembark 6" after deep striking, you in fact can't. It counts as moving combat speed already when it deep strikes, so you can only disembark.

Although I suppose, if I didn't want to get out, I could deep strike and move 6", declaring it as moving cruising speed (combat speed deep strike, then move further to move at cruising speed). I don't know if anything forbids me from doing that, hmmm...

 Spellbound wrote:
Yeah but the dreadclaw A) must deep strike in hover mode, so it's a skimmer B) does not have the marine drop pod's inertial guidance rule

And for the one poster saying you can move 6" then disembark 6" after deep striking, you in fact can't. It counts as moving combat speed already when it deep strikes, so you can only disembark.

Although I suppose, if I didn't want to get out, I could deep strike and move 6", declaring it as moving cruising speed (combat speed deep strike, then move further to move at cruising speed). I don't know if anything forbids me from doing that, hmmm...

Well other than the Deep Strike rules forbidding further movement (except disembarking).

 megatrons2nd wrote:
I don't think this rule applies to a flyer, as a flyer is not a skimmer.

"A flyer can move over intervening units and impassable terrain exactly as a skimmer" - page 84 first sentence, third paragraph on the 2nd column.

Spell - more that the turn after you can move disembark and charge. You can also re embark so aren't stuck in one place.

@Happyjew seriously? Even flat-out movement?

It doesn't prevent running or turbo-boosting, so why would it affect moving flat out, unless it specifically says so?

Man, there's just no way I can make the new dreadclaw rules work even remotely in my favor. It's just 100 points of sheer and utter worse-than-marine-pod rules.

100 points for mishappable, no guns, hurts itself on a 1, eats a model inside (including a dreadnought) on a 1, terrible weapons and limited use as a dedicated transport utter and total crap.

The Dreadclaw can also Jink, which is pretty sweet.