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The lightsaber kind of reminded me of the one from the classic Star Wars poster. Perhaps that's what it's in tribute to?

Huh. Some commenters on the youtube trailer think the Sith (or rather, the narrator) is voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch (which if true, is an interesting link to the Hobbit 3 as Benedict voices the dragon Smaug, and the Star Wars trailer is being released/previewed before screenings of the Hobbit). Does anyone else think theres a resemblance in the voice?

What I like about the teaser is the plot promise.

Stormtroopers land on planet (Tatooine?), possibly with one of the main protagonists aboard.

Something goes wrong, one stormtrooper loses his helmet, but something more he seems to be changing his mind.

Could this be, in part, about an Imperial stormtrooper who decided he has been fighting for the wrong side?
If so it would add a redemption, guilt or infiltration aspect to the film, which makes for good character development.

Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

 jasper76 wrote:
Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

I saw Jango Fett eating human flesh the other night. He is Maori though

 jasper76 wrote:
Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

It's debatable whether the Stormtroopers in the OST are all clones, but even if they were, I'm sure the New Republic (or whatever) would have shut down clone production. What's left of the Imperial army would therefore need a recruitment drive.

And anyway, he might not be a Stormtrooper.

I think the "Black Stormtrooper" is the "little short for a stormtrooper" guy - an infiltrator perhaps? Who gets found out?

 Swastakowey wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

I saw Jango Fett eating human flesh the other night. He is Maori though

Haha...fair enough.

 jasper76 wrote:
Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

No, all Clone Troopers were, as their name suggests, clones, however Stormtroopers are mostly made up of drafted Empire civilians, and are trained by the few veteran clone troopers who remain. There's at least one quote by an Empire clone trooper who states what a sorry mess the recruits are when compared to the clones.

 Flashman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

It's debatable whether the Stormtroopers in the OST are all clones, but even if they were, I'm sure the New Republic (or whatever) would have shut down clone production. What's left of the Imperial army would therefore need a recruitment drive.

And anyway, he might not be a Stormtrooper.

Yeah, my guess is he's a rebel spy or something like that.

I reckon the Storm Trooper screwed up or disobeyed orders and then somehow managed to run. Then maybe the rebels find him, dont trust him then he joins their cause or something.

because he looks like he has screwed up something thats for sure.

The Clone Trooper where clones but not Storm Troopers. I think they are just recruited like normal soldiers. I'm not sure when or why the Empire stopped using clones.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's just gross, Whembly.

Find your own bunk.

<--- so excited!

Alpharius wrote:I think the "Black Stormtrooper" is the "little short for a stormtrooper" guy - an infiltrator perhaps? Who gets found out?

jasper76 wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

It's debatable whether the Stormtroopers in the OST are all clones, but even if they were, I'm sure the New Republic (or whatever) would have shut down clone production. What's left of the Imperial army would therefore need a recruitment drive.

And anyway, he might not be a Stormtrooper.

Yeah, my guess is he's a rebel spy or something like that.

No way!

Part of the retcons established in the EU universe after Episode 2 came out was, after a series of disasters (including Kamino considering joining the rebellion), the Empire's supply of Clone soldiers had dried up in the years between Episode 3 and 4.

It would therefore not be unreasonable to have a Stormtrooper, especially one recruited after the Emperors death in the new 'film universe' decide, "you know what, maybe I'm on the losing side here. Screw this."

I seem to remember some quote about "Starvation, disease and desertion being the biggest destroyer of armies than the battlefield."

 LuciusAR wrote:
The Clone Trooper where clones but not Storm Troopers. I think they are just recruited like normal soldiers. I'm not sure when or why the Empire stopped using clones.

I believe that Kamino was lost during the Galactic Civil War, and the Rebels probably targeted a number of other cloning facilities the Empire used. Reading up on it, The Emperor deemed Jango's clones to, ironically, be too susceptible to corruption, and ordered clones be made of a wide number of genetic templates, but even they became too costly and rare after losing a number of the cloning facilities.

It's simple enough to imagine how much easier recruiting from the general populace is when compared to relying on certain installations. If you lose one installation, then you've lost a large chunk of your army before it's even been created, and a LOT of investment. If you lose even several planets to rebels then you haven't exactly invested time, effort, and research into creating the populace, and can easily just force recruitment on other worlds.

 jasper76 wrote:
Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

Kamino rebelled against the Empire by breeding Clones loyal to Kamino. The Emperor crushed the rebellion, and decided to diversify the Stormtroopers by cloning from multiple genetic templates and recruiting natural humans, as an entire army of clones based on one genetic source was too easy to corrupt or something. At least thats what the wiki says.

All I know first hand is that in Battlefront 2 theres a mission in which the 501st Legion (Elite Clone Troopers of the late Clone Wars and some of the first Stormtroopers) is sent to crush a Kaminoan rebellion of rogue Clone Troopers. Storm Troopers vs Clone Troopers. I always thought that the battle destroyed the cloning facilities but I just double checked now and apparently the Empire did continue to use cloning for a time.

Eventually though, I think the Clones became obsolete and were phased out.

Could be spy, could also be a defector. Lots of Rebels used to serve in the Empire.

 Flashman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Aren't Stormtroopers all meant to be clones of Django Fett? Don't recall him being a black dude.

It's debatable whether the Stormtroopers in the OST are all clones, but even if they were, I'm sure the New Republic (or whatever) would have shut down clone production. What's left of the Imperial army would therefore need a recruitment drive.

And anyway, he might not be a Stormtrooper.

Call it a hunch, but I'm calling it now that this is not a new Republic, but to all intents and purposes an Empire just like the one we left in the OT. The Rebellion may have transitioned to something a little more coherent and official, maybe even a New Republic, but I think the Galaxy is still well and truly divided and at war.

On Stormtroopers, there were several 'templates' in use for clones, not just Jango, and I think the Empire brought in even more, although all officers were not cloned and were all variations of human.

 LuciusAR wrote:
Could be spy, could also be a defector. Lots of Rebels used to serve in the Empire.

IIRC, Biggs was in the Imperial Navy before jumping ship to join the rebels

EDIT: doh, never mind, already answered

 Flashman wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
Could be spy, could also be a defector. Lots of Rebels used to serve in the Empire.

IIRC, Biggs was in the Imperial Navy before jumping ship to join the rebels

That's right. It's in a deleted scene from A New Hope.

And that would make the "academy" Luke wants to go to an Imperial one.

So goddamn excited. Those X-wings coming in low and fast? Sold. Hopefully we see some really cool in atmosphere flying, using repulsors to dodge low obstacles in a really brutal fashion and other cool stuff like that. But I don't want it all down in the dirt, there better still be some space battles.

Just give me a rogue squadron movie on the off year. Please.

X wings over water reminded me of this...

Are we really complaining about plot-holes and pretending that the originals were not full of them?




The first thing the New Republic Senate must do is appoint a select committee to investigate #DeathStarGate.

The F-14 and Tornado shared a common characteristic of large dorsal tails. These are necessary for stabillity in low altitude flight and allowed those aircraft to fly much lower than is normally safe.

The X-Wings are travelling at stupidly low altitudes though, so much as an errant rock or slight change in the ground will result in crashes. Star Wars normally got this one right, you only saw special aerobatics as part of heroic moves, normally from the Falcon. Even the Death Star trench, while considered 'narrow' was comfortably wide for a fighter, and most fighters that came too close to the rocks went into them.

I think the flight sequences are intended to look super cool and end up looking ridiculous. Its a rtrait of JJ Abrams crass and heavy handed film making. He made the Enterprise 'cool' by turning the bridge into a walk in tanning salon (with all the sunbeds permanently switched on and the engineering deck into a pipe farm in extra dimensional space. The Enterprise was fine before this crap, and felt like a ship even with limited sets and limited budget. Now with a much bigger budget it seemed so much more fake.

This film may yet still be fethed up by JJ Abrams 'style', and while Star Wars was always over the top, there was also a grounding at least in the original trilogy.

I do hope the flight scenes here are just attention grabbers and not part of the film.

As far as the saber goes one interesting theory I saw said that the person who made it perhaps didn't have access to the best parts, especially the crystal, so it has to vent energy.

 d-usa wrote:
Are we really complaining about plot-holes and pretending that the originals were not full of them?




The first thing the New Republic Senate must do is appoint a select committee to investigate #DeathStarGate.

Ironically if an actual Death Star Gate did exist--and was placed on the exhaust port--then none of this would've happened.

 Orlanth wrote:
I do hope the flight scenes here are just attention grabbers and not part of the film.

I did wonder that of the Millenium Falcon sequence at the end of the trailer. If all the Tatooine stuff takes place before they catch up with the main characters of the previous films, why a Millenium Falcon dogfight on Tatooine? It just seemed like a crowd pleasing shot to get people excited.

Fairly convinced the "lake run" will be in the film though and I did wonder if this is on Naboo (the only planet from the previous films that bears a resemblance). Of course if they go to Naboo, what race might we encounter? The horror!

 Ahtman wrote:
As far as the saber goes one interesting theory I saw said that the person who made it perhaps didn't have access to the best parts, especially the crystal, so it has to vent energy.

That's what I said earlier. I think they are exhaust ports... if you look closely, the side beams don't look like beams at all but flares.

Calling it.

Jar Jar Binks has fallen to the Dark Side.