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Marines in armor are taller than 7'!

Supposedly.

I wonder if the change in base size is partially to screw over all those 3rd party "scenic base" companies?

 Eilif wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Then the Imperial Guard range is oversized.

That would have the interesting result that GW is still making 25mm scale models! With a 7 foot marine being 28-29mm to-the-eye, a human would be around 25mm to the eye. And since millimeter scales are based on the height to the eye of an average sized man….

And even then, the marines are only 28mm to the eyes because they're in a near squatting position. Find on that is standing upright (I've got one of the old metal Masters of the Chapter on my desk now to measure), and they're 32mm to the eyes.

 Breotan wrote:
I wonder if the change in base size is partially to screw over all those 3rd party "scenic base" companies?

A million million times this.

Games Workshop is sick of other smallish kickstarter companies like the Polish Micro Art Studio and others selling pretty cool looking bases on sites like Waylandgames and making lots of money.

So GW, in their incredible wisdom, thinks changing the base size of 40k will put those companies out of business because hey... who will then buy their 25mm scenic bases anymore?

Aside from the fact that GW knows they cant make the transition from one day to another and that'll take at least a year, this still leaves out the simple fact that Micro Art Studios and friends can just start selling scenic 32mm bases....lol

Why would they do this, of all things?!

Seriously, I absolutely LOATHE inconsistency when it comes to models. I have some old-style Terminators that I'm never going to paint/use because they look like crap compared to the newer models and do not mesh well with them at all, in base size or model dimensions.

I really hope this is just a tighter angling of the legs or anything other than a bigger base. Or that no-one buy the new kits and they don't screw this up for future kits too.

Normally I'm not one to complain about the stuff that GW does, but this really annoys me. They should know full-well how picky modellers can be.

At least there isn't any reason to trim down my Micro Art plastic bases any more.

Maybe GW are going to do their own scenic bases...

GW to use 'rounded rim 32mm base like the others?

I don't think so! 30+ years of standard 28mm gaming that the regular unit uses 25 mm base CONTINIOUSLY means that it shouldn't be reworked. what makes the 32mm rounded rim base represents better combat 'realism' than the classic 25mm?

 Souleater wrote:
Maybe GW are going to do their own scenic bases...

Already have.

 scarletsquig wrote:
32mm would require the purchase of Games Workshop bases. Makes good business sense.

For like a week, then everyone ansd their mother will start selling 32mm bases as well. And it's not like gw really even produces scenic bases anyways.

I hope it's just for certain kits. It's not that big of a deal to me personally but it'll certainly piss off a lot of people.

"Certain kits"? In case people have missed, the new Blood Angel tacticals come with the larger bases:



linky for moar pix: http://astropate.blogspot.co.at/2014/11/white-dwarf-45-nuovi-angeli-sanguinari.html

I don't see why, for example, Imperial Guardsmen, Ork boys or Tau Firewarriors would need them.

The new bases are a bit perplexing though, the oddest one is the Broodlord. I'm really not sure why he isn't on a 40 or 50. I think the SM look better on those bases but I'm unsure whether it's such a better look as to require massive amounts of modelling work.

I wonder if FW marines will be getting this update.

I really think it's just a marine thing. There's no reason for only the Death Company in Deathstorm to have them if all infantry is going that way, this is clearly an immediate change.

They do look better on those bases the old 25mm bases looked undersized. It will be interesting to see which other models switch to the new 32mm size.

This is hardly the first time GW have done this, GW have done this with countless kits over the years. It's not even the first time it's happened to Tactical Marines, they lost their option for hex bases (as did everyone else) in 2nd edition.

The great GW conspiracy continues. They just made a marine kit so does it means randomly all the new kits will have bigger bases?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZPqPWC5aQs

 Theduke07 wrote:
The great GW conspiracy continues. They just made a marine kit so does it means randomly all the new kits will have bigger bases?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZPqPWC5aQs

Well, it doesn't make sense that they would just make one random Blood Angels tactical squad box 32mm, so people are trying to figure out what the longer term plan to this is. I mean, it's not like GW just made this one random kit 32mm for s and giggles...that being said, that would be the craziest, most trolltastic thing ever done by GW...perhaps the new CEO is making his mark!

I foresee the Ork Nobz kit being repackaged with the new 32mm bases.

a fat guy wrote:
Why would they do this, of all things?!

Spite, apparently. Screwing over third party "parasites" making money by selling a product designed to enhance their product. And hey, if everyone not using scenic bases goes out and buys the new base packs to rebase their old models then all the better.

a fat guy wrote:
Normally I'm not one to complain about the stuff that GW does, but this really annoys me. They should know full-well how picky modellers can be.

Not Games Workshop. They're fully convinced that you're just a goober and you'll buy all their product regardless, presumably not to paint or play the game with but just to goober over. Buying their product is your hobby and it's all amazing because it has the GW logo on it.

Also, maybe a new base size is a good excuse to start doing random repacking of older kits...which could be another opportunity for GW to start raising prices without going back to the annual increases they used to do and without necessarily having to tie them to a codex release. A little "tinfoil hat" admittedly, but still, not something I'd be surprised to see from this donkey-cave company.

GW doesn't care about vets just new jobbers that will buy a release than maybe quit. Anything else is just gravy

My money's on the "Its to spite 3rd party scenic base makers" theory.

Theres a precedent for this, they've changed their own business practices in the past to spite 3rd parties, like deleting Special Characters from Codexes that they hadn't produced models for but Chapter House Studios has, etc.

If true, its fething hilarious, because GW will be creating a new market niche for 32 mm scenic bases.

All you have to do is ask yourself why they didn't go with 30mm since every other base of theirs is a multiple of 5mm... Could it be that 30mm is already a standard size for other games and there are plenty of companies that make bases in that size?

Of course, it's also possible that 32mm was picked to split the difference between 25mm and 40mm. But my skeptical side just doesn't buy it.

Valete,

JohnS

Sorry, but the third party base theory just doesn't hold water, it isn't a handful of massive producers, it's lots of little makers who are accustomed to producing new product regularly and are well suited to adapt.

It might annoy the third party makers, and it may take a few weeks or months for them to adapt their ranges, but nobody has speculated any other new base design was in order to screw over third party manufacturers, and I fail to see how this one is any different.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Sorry, but the third party base theory just doesn't hold water, it isn't a handful of massive producers, it's lots of little makers who are accustomed to producing new product regularly and are well suited to adapt.

It might annoy the third party makers, and it may take a few weeks or months for them to adapt their ranges, but nobody has speculated any other new base design was in order to screw over third party manufacturers, and I fail to see how this one is any different.

I agree with you, Azreal. At the very least, I think GW is trying to distance themselves from focusing their business model away from antagonizing third party bits makers (which was a fething stupid plan in the first place, but I digress) and so I can't fathom some covert plan to undermind third parties with the blood still fresh in their collective corporate broken nose.

I think this is just part of a plan of continued reworking of 40k- bumping Space Marines up in base size, going through a much-expedited rule release cycle....I think GW is moving towards a concept of the game as they envision it, I just don't know what that concept is. But I'm willing to bet these bases have some (albeit minor) role in that goal.

But then why change the bases, especially when they already had enough variety to cover most of the model types as it was? They even came up with a new base for the carnifex and that thing has been doing just fine on the one it came with for the better part of a decade now. Is there literally no reason?

I realize this isn't the first time they've changed or introduced new bases, but it's the first that legitimately makes no sense to me. Changing old square bases for models like bikes to a long oval one that matches the round bases for other 40k models, that made sense. Introducing a larger oval base for big monsters, flyers, and the like, that makes sense. Coming up with a new socket for the flying bases because the old one was prone to breaking, that makes sense. But a new 105mm oval base for a model that fit just fine on a 60mm round? New 32mm bases for models that not only fit on the old 25mm base but have been using that base size for a very long time?

 Sidstyler wrote:
But then why change the bases, especially when they already had enough variety to cover most of the model types as it was? They even came up with a new base for the carnifex and that thing has been doing just fine on the one it came with for the better part of a decade now. Is there literally no reason?

I realize this isn't the first time they've changed or introduced new bases, but it's the first that legitimately makes no sense to me. Changing old square bases for models like bikes to a long oval one that matches the round bases for other 40k models, that made sense. Introducing a larger oval base for big monsters, flyers, and the like, that makes sense. Coming up with a new socket for the flying bases because the old one was prone to breaking, that makes sense. But a new 105mm oval base for a model that fit just fine on a 60mm round? New 32mm bases for models that not only fit on the old 25mm base but have been using that base size for a very long time?

MEQ's don't really "fit" on 25mm bases. They kinda hang over the edge and for those that like to decorate their bases, there really isn't a whole lot to work with. Plus it means less guys covered in blast templates, so that's useful.

'cos it looks cool. Not everything needs a practical reason.

Another issue with all the new base sizes- fitting them into foam trays.

Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

That would have the interesting result that GW is still making 25mm scale models! With a 7 foot marine being 28-29mm to-the-eye, a human would be around 25mm to the eye. And since millimeter scales are based on the height to the eye of an average sized man….

And even then, the marines are only 28mm to the eyes because they're in a near squatting position. Find on that is standing upright (I've got one of the old metal Masters of the Chapter on my desk now to measure), and they're 32mm to the eyes.

I was being a bit facetious. Still, if we take your measurement and say an average Chapter master would be about 7.5 feet tall (space marines being 7-8 feet) and if he's 32mm to the eye, then an average male (5'9" according to the interwebs) should be almost exactly 25mm to the eye. Put another way, a 32mm to the eye Space Marine is 25mm scale!

Azreal13 wrote:Sorry, but the third party base theory just doesn't hold water, it isn't a handful of massive producers, it's lots of little makers who are accustomed to producing new product regularly and are well suited to adapt.

It might annoy the third party makers, and it may take a few weeks or months for them to adapt their ranges, but nobody has speculated any other new base design was in order to screw over third party manufacturers, and I fail to see how this one is any different.

But it does hold water, you're just looking at the wrong 3rd party suppliers. GW doesn't care about the resin base makers because they don't make a product that GW does. GW doesn't make many scenic bases. What they do make is packs of basic plastic bases, and that's what other companies are also doing and taking business that GW would like to have . For many years GW has sold plastic bases, but folks have largely gone elsewhere. If GW switches to 32mm infantry bases, they're the only game in town making them, and it's unlikely that another company will be quick to pony up the money for the tooling necessary to make them.

They've already nearly corned the market on biker bases (proxie makes them, but not the same chisel edge style) flat top 25mm non-slottas, and a couple other sizes and they've been testing the waters with larger bases with some of the odd sized 50mm + sizes they've used for heavy weapons, etc over the past 6 years or so. I wouldn't be surprised if GW slowly switched most 40k bases over to proprietary sizes. It makes perfect business sense and no one can really accuse them of sticking it to their players since GW has always let you use whatever base the model was sold with even if it's changed since then. Not to mention the fact that so many models really would fit better on a larger base.

skarsol wrote:
Interesting that only Marines get better protection from blast templates.

I wounder if I need to now rebase me 30k mariens, or if they keep the 25mm. Might need to e-mail FW in a week when these new bases are in people's hands.


also of note, the warriors are on a new 50mm base.