25mm bases being replaced by 32mm bases in 40K?

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**Ruberu**

I would be surprised if they made all standard 25mm models move to 32mm. I don't care what they say I will NOT move all 120 something metal Steel Legion and Mordains to new bases nor my 5 2000 pts plus armies of current Space Marines

. I also just order 25mm scenic bases for my Raven Guard...

**Stormonu**

adamsouza wrote:
It makes some sense to have bulky models on a larger base.

I'm not buying ALL models changed to 32mm, and I mean that literaly as well as figuratively as well. Who in their right mind would want to rebase an entire collection from 25 to 32mm ?

GW doesn't want you rebasing; you MUST buy a whole new army at the increased base scale (at increased cost, of course).

Actually, it makes sense with all the talk of scale creep they've supposedly had in their miniature line. Stuff just doesn't fit on the bases any more.

**Talys**

Ruberu wrote:
I would be surprised if they made all standard 25mm models move to 32mm. I don't care what they say I will NOT move all 120 something metal Steel Legion and Mordains to new bases nor my 5 2000 pts plus armies of current Space Marines . I also just order 25mm scenic bases for my Raven Guard...

This isn't even an issue in a tournament. Models are permitted on the original size base that the model came with, or the current size base. The most significant base sizing issue I ever see is old terminators that were on 25mm bases, which you still here and there. They're still legit.

From an aesthetic standpoint, I far prefer Privateer Press 28mm lipped bases to GW 25mm beveled bases, because they just look better. On the other hand, I own hundreds of unused resin 25mm bases. Oh well, I own thousands of unpainted miniatures that came with 25mm bases, so I guess I'll live.

However, it would be so nice to put some of the bulkier models onto 32mm resin bases (like librarians, modified guys with standards, etc.). I guess as soon SWM starts to make 'em, I'll be putting an order big enough for free shipping order :|

**Kilkrazy**

Companies like Lithko Aero, who make bases from laser cut plywood or MDF, can start turning out 32mm round bases in about 10 minutes if people want to buy them.

**Souleater**

32mm is close to 1 1/4" i.e. old school Imperial. But they haven't worried before...

I wouldn't mind rebasing my Hormagaunts on slightly larger bases.

**Sir Arun**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Another issue with all the new base sizes- fitting them into foam trays.

HA!

Youre right. Had forgotten about that. All my Feldherr foam trays suddenly rendered useless.

Personally I think there'll be more players remounting the new BA on old bases than players updating their other armies to the new bases lol.

**Ruberu**

Talys wrote:
The most significant base sizing issue I ever see is old terminators that were on 25mm bases, which you still here and there. They're still legit.

I have about 25 old termies on those bases still. I just cant take them off, they just look small on the new bases

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**Vertrucio**

Also, for anyone still doubting. While I suspect the cost is relatively low to make a plastic injection mold for something as simple as bases, it's still a cost that they wouldn't just do for one or two boxes.

Then again, I'm already ahead of them, I've got minis using 35mm bases.

**Crimson**

cygnnus wrote:
All you have to do is ask yourself why they didn't go with 30mm since every other base of theirs is a multiple of 5mm... Could it be that 30mm is already a standard size for other games and there are plenty of companies that make bases in that size?

Of course, it's also possible that 32mm was picked to split the difference between 25mm and 40mm. But my skeptical side just doesn't buy it.

GW's small flying bases are already 32mm, so it would be silly to have both 30mm and 32mm bases. No mystery here.

**Kelly502**

I'm fine with the change, it makes sense, however I will not rebase any of my models, nor would I expect other players to do so either. If you want to that's fine, I'll just base the new models with their 32mm bases and have a mix of base sizes in my BA Army. I don't think I'll buy 32mm for any un-built kits that I have I'll just use the bases that came with.

Correct me if I'm wrong but even GW allows you to use their older models in your army ie old metal Terminators on the small infantry base right? I don't particularly like them on the old bases nor do I even like the old terminators as compared to the new so I upgraded mine to the new plastics with the large bases they came with.

GW is pleasantly surprising me this year with keeping leaks down to a minimum, and stumping most of us at their releases. I absolutely dislike models falling over because the base it was given is too small. So I'm for it!

**Goliath**

I'm fine with this, as it means I can actually base any models in my army that use a flying base without changing the base size

**AllSeeingSkink**

Souleater wrote:
I wouldn't mind rebasing my Hormagaunts on slightly larger bases.

I would, most of them are glued in slotted bases... if the slotting tab snaps off (which it almost certainly will) then it'll just be an even bigger pain in the arse.

**Souleater**

I'm more annoyed by them falling over.

I don't like the feel of them with coins/lead under them, oddly.

**cygnnus**

Crimson wrote:
cygnnus wrote:
All you have to do is ask yourself why they didn't go with 30mm since every other base of theirs is a multiple of 5mm... Could it be that 30mm is already a standard size for other games and there are plenty of companies that make bases in that size?

Of course, it's also possible that 32mm was picked to split the difference between 25mm and 40mm. But my skeptical side just doesn't buy it.

GW's small flying bases are already 32mm, so it would be silly to have both 30mm and 32mm bases. No mystery here.

I'd forgotten about the size of the flying bases. Good point there. With all of GW's recent shenanigans, I'm still not convinced this isn't another attempt to try to lock 3rd party manufacturers a out of the "GW hobby", but that certainly provides a solid counter point.

Odd that I forgot, though, since all my Seraphim are on GW flying bases and I used 1.25" fender washers glued to the bases to keep them stable.

Valete,

JohnS

**Crimson**

I really hope third-party manufacturers are following this thread closely. The first one to make hollow 32mm bases with an open top will make a fortune.

/¯I______I¯\

**Rippy**

I don't play in tournaments, so I just won't change. I really can't see them doing this though.

**Sgt_Smudge**

Breotan wrote:
You mean I have to re-base all my grots? o.O

Your avatar made that perfect!

**zeuso**

Kelly502 wrote:
I'm fine with the change, it makes sense, however I will not rebase any of my models, nor would I expect other players to do so either. If you want to that's fine, I'll just base the new models with their 32mm bases and have a mix of base sizes in my BA Army. I don't think I'll buy 32mm for any un-built kits that I have I'll just use the bases that came with

This is the biggest problem I have with the size changes. My old 25mm BA tactical squad is going to look weird alongside the new 32mm squad and I like consistency across my armies. I just hope we get some kind of confirmation from GW that this is only applying to all Space Marines going forward or wether the changes are going to include other armies.

**Eilif**

Sir Arun wrote:
Personally I think there'll be more players remounting the new BA on old bases than players updating their other armies to the new bases lol.

Not that it matters unless you're in a GW tournament, but that would be illegal because the rule is it has to be either the current base or the base the model was sold with. This new kit of BA will only be sold with 32mm and so will only be legally based on 32mm.

Kelly502 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but even GW allows you to use their older models in your army ie old metal Terminators on the small infantry base right? I don't particularly like them on the old bases nor do I even like the old terminators as compared to the new so I upgraded mine to the new plastics with the large bases they came with.

You are correct. GW has always allowed you to use the size of base the model was sold with even if it's not the same as current models. I've got a bunch of old metal termies I've been meaning to paint up. I'm going to put them on 25mm's. I'd rather put them on something slightly larger, but the only choices are 25 and 40 and they are so small they look silly on 40mm bases.

**Theduke07**

So what if you kit bash? I'm talking some real transhuman gak "when is a blood angels tactical kit not a tactical kit"

**skkipper**

yeah a whole bunch of 32mm washers will be coming my way if this is a change. no way will i ditch my 25mm resin bases, I have hundreds

**RivenSkull**

skkipper wrote:
yeah a whole bunch of 32mm washers will be coming my way if this is a change. no way will i ditch my 25mm resin bases, I have hundreds

Yep. Even though I hate how my Necron Warriors feet hang off the edge, I'm not taking them off their resin bases.

**Theduke07**

Worst part is if this is standard new runs of marine boxes are just going to get new base sizes out of no where. decisions decisions for new players and armies when their 3rd box is on different bases.

**Azreal13**

Eilif wrote:

Azreal13 wrote:Sorry, but the third party base theory just doesn't hold water, it isn't a handful of massive producers, it's lots of little makers who are accustomed to producing new product regularly and are well suited to adapt.

It might annoy the third party makers, and it may take a few weeks or months for them to adapt their ranges, but nobody has speculated any other new base design was in order to screw over third party manufacturers, and I fail to see how this one is any different.

But it does hold water, you're just looking at the wrong 3rd party suppliers. GW doesn't care about the resin base makers because they don't make a product that GW does. GW doesn't make many scenic bases. What they do make is packs of basic plastic bases, and that's what other companies are also doing and taking business that GW would like to have . For many years GW has sold plastic bases, but folks have largely gone elsewhere. If GW switches to 32mm infantry bases, they're the only game in town making them, and it's unlikely that another company will be quick to pony up the money for the tooling necessary to make them.

They've already nearly corned the market on biker bases (proxie makes them, but not the same chisel edge style) flat top 25mm non-slottas, and a couple other sizes and they've been testing the waters with larger bases with some of the odd sized 50mm + sizes they've used for heavy weapons, etc over the past 6 years or so. I wouldn't be surprised if GW slowly switched most 40k bases over to proprietary sizes. It makes perfect business sense and no one can really accuse them of sticking it to their players since GW has always let you use whatever base the model was sold with even if it's changed since then. Not to mention the fact that so many models really would fit better on a larger base.

I really don't see that bases are in any way all that expensive to produce, even in plastic, I mean, sure, they will require a new mould, but it isn't like it's a massively complex affair like a kit, it's just a bunch of geometric shapes.

No, I stand by my original point, anyone making bases for a living will, at worst, be only mildly inconvenienced by this until they can get up to speed on making 32mm circles, or alternatively continue making bases for all the thousands of models that don't require a 32mm base.

There is simply no way this is the first shot in GW's new plan to eviscerate the third party base industry, it is just too much of a stretch.

**Tannhauser42**

Azreal13 wrote:

There is simply no way this is the first shot in GW's new plan to eviscerate the third party base industry, it is just too much of a stretch.

Actually, it will be a shot in the arm for the 3rd party base companies. Their sales will only go up because of this.

**Kimchi Gamer**

I'm as much a GW hater as the next spanker, but could it be that GW will now be providing bases that are designed to fit the models that are on top of them? How many times have you put a model on a 25mm base and had the feet stick out over the lip? In regards to the 3rd party base maker debate I really doubt this is a slight towards them since GW doesn't sell resin bases and would not realistically ask the community to re-base their armies. There are plenty of things to get upset about with GW this Christmas season, such as 14 Hobbit Dwarf minis for $200, but this isn't one of them.

**Accolade**

I wonder if GW is going to start selling bags of 32mm bases...

Crimson wrote:
I really hope third-party manufacturers are following this thread closely. The first one to make hollow 32mm bases with an open top will make a fortune.

/¯I______I¯\

Now THAT would be a smart idea!

**Theduke07**

Kimchi Gamer wrote:
I'm as much a GW hater as the next spanker, but could it be that GW will now be providing bases that are designed to fit the models that are on top of them? How many times have you put a model on a 25mm base and had the feet stick out over the lip? In regards to the 3rd party base maker debate I really doubt this is a slight towards them since GW doesn't sell resin bases and would not realistically ask the community to re-base their armies. There are plenty of things to get upset about with GW this Christmas season, such as 14 Hobbit Dwarf minis for $200, but this isn't one of them.

I'm only upset because this should have came earlier when they relaunched half the space marine models including the tactical box.

Also I never even thought about the lip of the foot hanging off being annoying til people brought it up.

**B0B MaRlEy**

I didn't see it mentionned, but the carnifex is also on a new base

**Big Blind Bill**

I agree with the other posters guessing that the new bases will be reserved for jump pack or bulky infantry units.

Arbitrarily changing the size of the most common base in the game for no reason would be a monumental mistake, even by GW standards.

All players, new or old, will be effected and rightly annoyed by the change. It would be a fantastic way to further alienate the player base from the company.

Here's hoping that this isn't the case.