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 plastictrees wrote:


People need to start reading instead of writing page long incoherent rants trying to show how clever and cynical they are.

Common sense? In the Internet? LOL

"Never miss a chance to say bad of GW" is the unofficial rule.

 Eilif wrote:
Not to penalize you for not reading a lengthly thread, but it has already been noted that 30mm (both lipped and chisel sided) are widely available from places like EM4.

D'oh! Missed the non-lipped notice. Ah well, bears repeating sometimes.


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 TheDraconicLord wrote:

Common sense? In the Internet? LOL

"Never miss a chance to say bad of GW" is the unofficial rule.

Speaking good of GW doesn't usually indicate superior common sense.

 Vermis wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Not to penalize you for not reading a lengthly thread, but it has already been noted that 30mm (both lipped and chisel sided) are widely available from places like EM4.

D'oh! Missed the non-lipped notice. Ah well, bears repeating sometimes.

And they are 8 for a $1 at Miniatures Market right now, at least the old Confrontation ones.

IDK about SMs but I put my plastic Tau XV25 Stealth Suits on to 40mm bases when they first came out in 2006 because they were far too large for the supplied 25mm bases.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Not to penalize you for not reading a lengthly thread, but it has already been noted that 30mm (both lipped and chisel sided) are widely available from places like EM4.

D'oh! Missed the non-lipped notice. Ah well, bears repeating sometimes.

And they are 8 for a $1 at Miniatures Market right now, at least the old Confrontation ones.

That's a very nice deal. IIRC, the Confrontation bases are 4mm tall rather than 3, but the half-chiseled-half-strait side does look nice and sharp. A very nice compromise between the PP style big curves (which leave only 23mm of basing area) and the GW style chisel which is rather plain. I've got a whole bag of 40mm Confrontation bases that I took off of Wulfen that I rebased for Kings of War.

When the Miniatures market sale is over or if you prefer slope sided bases, you can always get 30mm PP style, GW Cav style 25x50mm and 25mm and 40mm square bases for $.15 each at Recreational Conflict.
http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/proxieterrain.html
I always buy at least some bases from their stall at Little Wars. They have big buckets and you just take out however many you need.
If mail ordering, RecCon is much cheaper for 40mm squares than anywhere else. EM4 is cheaper for 25mm sqaures and they are about the same for the other two (not counting shipping which is more from UK to US). Between RecCon, Em4 and Proxie, I get all my bases taken care of for very little $.

I have a bunch of these 30mm rounds. Work great for basing Reaper minis. $.16 per base.

http://www.frpgames.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=70798#.VH_kbDHF8ko

The thing that bothers me about these new base sizes is the intentional use of an unused size, attempting to make them proprietary.

I would also note that the recess on lipped Warmachine style bases is almost perfect for a 25mm 40k style base.

GW can't trademark a 32mm round base!

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Can it?

 Vermis wrote:
Speaking good of GW doesn't usually indicate superior common sense.

"If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all."

The alternative to bitching about GW is not to praise them. You can also do nothing.

Kind of weird to indirectly insult GW with some glib snide remark RIGHT AFTER someone mentioned how stupid it was to constantly do that.

 skrulnik wrote:
I have a bunch of these 30mm rounds. Work great for basing Reaper minis. $.16 per base.

http://www.frpgames.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=70798#.VH_kbDHF8ko

The thing that bothers me about these new base sizes is the intentional use of an unused size, attempting to make them proprietary.

I would also note that the recess on lipped Warmachine style bases is almost perfect for a 25mm 40k style base.

32mm is the same size as a small flying base, been mentioned many many times, it's not a completely arbitrary move, it's really not meant to make them proprietary.
Does Dakka have a new filter system that only makes lunatic posts visible? How many times do the same conspiracy theories need to be addressed.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/602257.page#7397711



End of drama. That was not so hard.

Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
End of drama. That was not so hard.

I could almost see a two part adapter that fits better to the angled sides of the base better so there isn't the little crevice where the adapter meets the base. However, these will do the job well enough for those that find them necessary. Given that Basegate isn't even a fortnight old, I think we will probably see more refined designs as time goes on though.

 shabbadoo wrote:
Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.

If you angled the inside of the ring to be flush with the base, it'd need to go on from the top, which won't fit over the mini.

You could do it in 2 parts though and glue round. Or you can slop some filler between base and ring to make a better fit. Or you can just treat them as removable, so you can still use your existing foam trays.

skrulnik wrote:

I would also note that the recess on lipped Warmachine style bases is almost perfect for a 25mm 40k style base.

Actually the recess on a warmachine style 30mm base (at least on the ones I've measured) is 23mm across. That's exactly the same basing area as the top of a 25mm slotta. Alot of people don't realize that a 30mm PP/WM style base doesn't really give you any additional basing area or that the "base inserts" for these bases fit exactly on top of a standard slotta as well.

shabbadoo wrote:Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.

As has been pointed out, a sloping ring won't work because it has to go over the model.

As long as the ring is a near fit on the bottom all you have to do is put them together set them on a piece of wax paper and squirt a bit of gel superglue in the join. Not really a problem since you were going to have to use superglue anyway, you'll just use a touch more. After they're joined, you can squirt some more superglue in there to fill the void or use the budget option of some PVA. or filler.

If properly put together, you're only going to have a 1mm gap between the top of the adaptor and the top of the base (the top of a slotta is 23mm in diameter) which is nearly negligible. All this to say, the ring adaptor is an excellent solution and one that should work very well.

My only issue is that they are charging about a buck a base for low quantities. I'm sure there will be a company or two along shortly to provide a bit of price competition.

 Baragash wrote:
It's not the change in base size that bothers me (though overhang has been an issue for decades, why couldn't they do this like 20 years ago?).

It's (much like the ET Softbacks) GW being too....incompetent or naïve....to get out in front of it and say "this is what we're doing and why, now you guys can go make an informed choice about what you want to do with your models".

Is all of 40k moving to 32mm? Just MEQ?

I want to do a HH SoH army, for me, considering the money involved in such a project, it's an important consideration.

This is more or less my concern. If they stood out and say, "we are considering changing some of our ranges (MEQs, Nobz, etc.) from 25 to 32 mm bases", we could argue with some basis, and plan our decisions accordingly. But they just wait until someone realizes those bases are bigger, so rage/disbelief/conspiracy theories rise. They also start selling those bases in their webstore, but who is going to buy them, if we don't know exactly which miniatures can use them?

Personally, from an aesthetic perspective, I think they look great. Ruleswise, there are some considerations to be made. But the main problem here is misinformation, as usual. In any case, it will affect people who are considering starting a new project, so they may be reluctant to spend any money until this is sorted out. I think their secrecy, once more, plays against them.

 RayND wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
Speaking good of GW doesn't usually indicate superior common sense.

"If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all."

The alternative to bitching about GW is not to praise them. You can also do nothing.

Oh man! I gave up paying attention to that old chestnut years ago. Granted, it was more in the field of art instruction than wargame commentary, but still. Negativity bias vs. complacent mediocrity, y'know?

If it happens constantly, might just be because it's constantly needed.

Herzlos wrote:

 shabbadoo wrote:
Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.

If you angled the inside of the ring to be flush with the base, it'd need to go on from the top, which won't fit over the mini.

It would fit over quite a few to most minis with a bit of wiggling. Two cuts with a razor saw will take care of any figs that they would not fit over.

T

 shabbadoo wrote:
Except that the "adapter" doesn't stay on, as there is no angle cut on the interior facing of the ring. Don't make it easy or anything by simply doing that, such that people could apply glue..the adapter...and nothing more. Poor design. Back to the drawing board with it.

The first thing I'd have to ask is do you actually flock or do anything with your base or are they just black bases and nothing more?

Having used rings before to convert 25 to 30mm bases and 40mm bases to 55mm I can say that if you are flocking, you won't see any of gap, in fact the gap helps you attach it to the base. Green stuff into the gap, flatter to make flush. Apply PVA glue to the edge of the base and reflock to match the rest of the base. Minimal work and you don't even notice you just slid a ring over it. Also simply just superglue gel into the gap around the ring is more than enough to hold the ring to the base.

Now if you don't flock or do anything with your base, then this solution isn't the best for you. In fact it is just easier to remove your miniatures and simply rebase at that point. However a lot of people don't just simply base and it seems a shame to waste all the work spent on the basing.

 obleeke wrote:


This is more or less my concern. If they stood out and say, "we are considering changing some of our ranges (MEQs, Nobz, etc.) from 25 to 32 mm bases", we could argue with some basis, and plan our decisions accordingly. But they just wait until someone realizes those bases are bigger, so rage/disbelief/conspiracy theories rise. They also start selling those bases in their webstore, but who is going to buy them, if we don't know exactly which miniatures can use them?

Personally, from an aesthetic perspective, I think they look great. Ruleswise, there are some considerations to be made. But the main problem here is misinformation, as usual. In any case, it will affect people who are considering starting a new project, so they may be reluctant to spend any money until this is sorted out. I think their secrecy, once more, plays against them.

This.

I am primed and ready to drop a significant amount of money to get 32mm bases to re-base LOADs of my models....we are talking multiple armies...Nobs, Stormboys, Lootas (in fact, Orks are all so big, the 32mm could apply to every Ork model except for grots/gretchin - but since boyz are so numerous, I may just keep them on 25s), Tau stealth suits, all of my Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines, Dark Eldar Incubi, and likely more that I just can't think of at the moment.

It would be really nice to get some official word on which units/models will be utilizing the 32mm bases in the future...

There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!

 Kirasu wrote:
There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!

TBH, I expected more rage (even from myself), but I think it's a good idea to have bigger bases for bigger infantry. Problem is, changing bases affects the game, that's why people are demanding some information (which, probably, will arrive soon); also, many people immediately thought of things like Orkz, CSMs, Necrons...

That's my impression with the "basegate" so far: I think main issue is misinformation, rather than ranting "coz changes".

 Kirasu wrote:
There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!

But you don't know that, do you? You're making an assumption just as much as the naysayers are.

I think we'll know for sure one way or another when the next wave of Space Marine / Chaos Space Marine kits is released. If a second kit adopts theses new 32mm bases, then it will become a trend.

Well, I actually like the aesthetics....and want to re-base my models solely for that reason (and to reduce tipping for models like Stormboys). I'm just concerned that by changing the bases on many models that look like it would make sense to change the bases on, it may raise objections from some opponents, or tournament organizers. So, some sort of official word would be great...the non-communication is what gets me...

With Deathstorm, we now have a precedent for at least space marine jump-infantry using them...and the photos of the new tac squad look like they are based on them as well....again precedent for all Power Armor models having 32mm bases...possibly inferring that models of an equivalent size/bulk (Tau Stealth Suits) or purpose (jump- jetpack-infantry because of the similarity in diameter to flight stands) would at least have the option of using the new base size.

and its gak like this why i stopped giving a damn about what GW does

I emaild them and they responded that it was just for this, somethign about room to model the minis more.

I think it is good idea. I'm tired of marines feet sticking over the edge by half or more.

 Vermis wrote:
Oh man! I gave up paying attention to that old chestnut years ago. Granted, it was more in the field of art instruction than wargame commentary, but still. Negativity bias vs. complacent mediocrity, y'know?

If it happens constantly, might just be because it's constantly needed.

Well, it's not like I have the right to criticize anyway when I am choosing the path of laziness. Among the sea of complaints there may be a desert isle of validity, but it's probably just that people enjoy complaining.

It may even be constantly needed, but remember what Einstein said about doing the same thing over and over again.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!

But you don't know that, do you? You're making an assumption just as much as the naysayers are.

I think we'll know for sure one way or another when the next wave of Space Marine / Chaos Space Marine kits is released. If a second kit adopts theses new 32mm bases, then it will become a trend.

I don't need evidence to keep my models the same. A bit strange of an argument.. The current 25mm base for most models is the default which doesn't require confirmation.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
There is absolutely no evidence that gw intends any other armies or models to use 32 mm bases.. I'm really surprised at the level of reaction to a single ba kit using new bases which may simply be for aesthetic reasons!

But you don't know that, do you? You're making an assumption just as much as the naysayers are.

I think we'll know for sure one way or another when the next wave of Space Marine / Chaos Space Marine kits is released. If a second kit adopts theses new 32mm bases, then it will become a trend.

I don't need evidence to keep my models the same. A bit strange of an argument.. The current 25mm base for most models is the default which doesn't require confirmation.

You know exactly what I meant so don't be disingenuous. You don't know that GW doesn't intend to extend this policy to other units and armies. We don't know either way yet, so its speculation either way. GW wouldn't go to the expense of producing an entire new size of base for the sake of one unit.

When the next wave of Space Marine sized models (equivalents to the Shield of Baal minis) come out, then we'll know if this is something GW intends to extend to other units and armies, or just stick with the old 25mm bases.

It would seem obvious that all Marines are changing over to 32mm, as for other units, who can say?