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 Ravenous D wrote:
And GWs usual 180 balancing has been off lately. What we have been seeing is massive tone downs of dexes and increased power of formations.

Things I predict will change:
- resurrection protocols will be FNP. It gets closer and closer to it so its likely they will just streamline it,
- Night scythes go up 40 to 60points
- Chariot Lord gets nerfed into the dirt.
- Mind shackle scarabs nerfed
- Cryptek options nerfed/reduced
- Tranny C'tan nerfed or increased price.

Im sure there will be other nerfs because that's the train GW is on right now. But who knows, all we can do is guess.

How do you figure GW is on a nerf train? Orks, SW, GK, DE, and AM all were streamlined down and then buffed (some moderately, some slightly). BA will also almost for sure get overall buffed since it's at rock bottom. The only codex to have been recently nerfed heavy was Tyrannids and they are getting lots of love at the moment.

I am sure whatever nerfs come Necron way will get balanced out by buffs elsewhere so that the army remains a desirable purchase. GW wants to sell models.

Streamlined down with very slight buffs.
Nothing really spectacular to talk about.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Streamlined down with very slight buffs.
Nothing really spectacular to talk about.

So you agree that GW is not on a nerf train?

col_impact wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Streamlined down with very slight buffs.
Nothing really spectacular to talk about.

So you agree that GW is not on a nerf train?

Well, it's not the topic here.
Streamlining down is some sort of nerf. This is how I meant it.
In GK, for instance, the pt drops for Dreadknights and Termies as well as the new CAD were slight buffs.

Yeah, i understand that everything could be nerfed but i could be a lot latter in 2015 as i can read on the forum. If it was after christmas, i would wait but if its for june, forget about it.

I am thinking more and more to buy the battle force... Its a bad idea?

 calarok wrote:
Yeah, i understand that everything could be nerfed but i could be a lot latter in 2015 as i can read on the forum. If it was after christmas, i would wait but if its for june, forget about it.

I am thinking more and more to buy the battle force... Its a bad idea?

Not a bad idea. It's one of the better values out there for any army, and Warriors will still be the basic troop choice, and Ghost Arks will still be a Dedicated Transport that will likely still repair fallen warriors.

You may consider buying an Annihilation Barge kit as well. As I'm sure others have mentioned, it comes with an Overlord for your HQ, and as long as you don't glue the gun to the Barge (or the "podium" either), you can swap it as a Command Barge or an Annihilation Barge.

In any case, the Battleforce is almost an auto-buy for a new necron player.

Verviedi wrote:

I'm starting Necron because I heard they are a very good army.

Well first of all, if this is what you are going by, you will not be enjoying Necrons for long then. You don't play an army just because they are good. You will loose intrest really fast in this army then.

Which mods should I buy? What are the hands down best units in the dex? I don't want to waste money on subpar units.

Which models should you buy? None. Necron codex should be updated and be getting a new codex sometime in the beginning of 2015. Maybe January or February. Might as well way since anything can change in the codex and then the arem might not be "very good army" as you say and then you just wasted all your money.

You want to buy Necrons because you like Necrons. What is strong in day can be weak the next. Necrons were week for a long time then became strong with their 5th edition codex. They can become weak or mediocre with their 7th edition codex.

So either buy them because you like them or wait to see if they are any good in 2015.

If you want to buy now, I agree the Necron Battleforce boxset is a great value and great place to start.

what got you to like necrons in the first place? i don't collect them as of right now, possibly in the future after the new codex, but just out of curiosity.

Was it purely that they are good that drew you to them? Or something else?

As the poster above me said, pick an army you like, not necessarily what is good. What is good can change at any time, either from a codex update, FAQ's, or a new edition, etc.

 calarok wrote:
Yeah, i understand that everything could be nerfed but i could be a lot latter in 2015 as i can read on the forum. If it was after christmas, i would wait but if its for june, forget about it.

I am thinking more and more to buy the battle force... Its a bad idea?

The battle force is certainly a good idea.
Warriors, Immortals, and a Ghostark are a decent starting point.

Another Necron newbie here with my inaugural post, after some thoughts on what I've been up to so far, please!

I've not played a game yet, as I've been slowly building up an army thinking the new codex is imminent. Well, it's been three months, but still...

I've got a whole variety of models, but so far my army is centred around a bunch of Lychguard, simply because I like the look of them (it was a Lychguard that got me hooked on Necrons).

I just don't like the look of Warriors, so while I have the battleforce box, I'm not intending to do anything with those models. As troops, then, I've been building up Immortals (only five done so far). Given that I have no intention of playing with Warriors, I'm thinking of building a Doomsday Ark rather than a Ghost Ark, is there any reason to build it otherwise (apparently it can score objectives, but other than that, too?). Also, should I be looking to get a Scythe for transporting them?

It seems everywhere I look online, people are warning against the perils of Lychguard, but I've got ten of them built up and another box waiting on the shelf - is it just a points issue, or is there something inherently awful about Lychguard that I'm just not seeing? Same for Praetorians, I only have five of them (with a Triarch Stalker primed and waiting for paint), but people don't seem to be fans of these guys either?

My current army, anyway, involves the ten Lychguard/five Praetorians, five Immortals, five Deathmarks, the Overlord, Nemesor Zahndrekh, Anrakyr the Traveller, two scacab bases and the FW Tomb Stalker. I've got three Crypteks, a Catacomb Command Barge, and the Stalker all in various states of painting, along with various bits like wraiths and spyders waiting for me to get round to them. I've really just been building up models that I like the look of, and in playing games generally, I rarely care about winning, it's more important that I enjoy the experience. The theme of 40k, with the missions and whatnot, is what attracted me to it to begin with (along with that Lychguard), so I'm not looking to build an army that will knock aside opposition every time. So I'm not looking to build something because it'll win, but more because it'll fit nicely with the rest of the army.

Anyway, this post is slightly rambling, but any and all thoughts will be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!

@spalanz: I personally think the Ghost Ark is a bit overrated, and if you're not playing Warriors, that respawning rule wouldn't ever come into play. Some people may disagree and see high value in the Ghost Ark even if you're not running Warriors (in fact, I can't recall, but maybe its possible that the only way to legally bring a Ghost Ark is if with a unit of Warriors...unless you play Unbound of course. I might be incorrect here, though. I don't have my codex with me to verify).

Nightscycthes are the usual Dedicate Transort for Immortals. Excellent value for the points, top tier choice in the current codex.

If you get one, there are two builds: Nightscythe and Doomscythe. The only difference is at the bottom of the hull, one has a portal, and one has a big gun called a Death Ray. These options are easily magnetizeable to the hull (in fact, this kit practically begs to be magnetized. That's what I'd recommend doing, because the current Doomscythe rules aren't really very bad, and its possible they may get better with the new codex.

Lychguard do have their problems...,#1 they are very costly for the points for what you get. I wouldn't go as far as to say "awful", but they are "sub-optimal". However, the new codex might improve their rules and/or reduce their cost. All that said, I find its common for people who really like a unit to somehow make it work for them, and since your not overly concerned about winning, they certainly look cool IMO, so they will add the cool factor to any game.

I can't speak to Praetorians...I never built or played with that unit.

Ah, marvellous, thanks very much for getting back to me! Looks like I might go for a scythe next, then. As for the rest, well, we'll see what the new codex brings!

 spalanz wrote:
Ah, marvellous, thanks very much for getting back to me! Looks like I might go for a scythe next, then. As for the rest, well, we'll see what the new codex brings!

No problem. Yeah, if you can wait, you might wanna see what the new codex brings before making your Ghost Ark/Doomsday Ark decision.

By the way, I can now confirm that in the current Codex, Necron Warriors are the only way to unlock a Ghost Ark. I believe if you play Unbound, you could ignore this, but if you play Battleforged or whatever the feth "normal" 40k is called now, I don't see a way around it. Just FYI.