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Anyone else have End Times: Khaine yet ?

I do. I've only skimmed the dialogue portions of the story so far.


The magic phase is nutty now. 4d6 winds of magic, dispeller gets the sum of the highest 2. There is no power pool cap. There's 4 ways you can use end times magic, including "... either player wants to use End Times magic". That is literally how it reads, not "with opponents permission", but rather "either wants to use". Interesting.


Loremaster = can reroll all the power dice on the lore you're a loremaster of, even on an irresistable.

If you know a single spell in a lore, you know all the spells in that lore, including signature. God, Brolocks and Sisters of thorn just got even better.


Casting is ... interesting. So you pick a wiz and a spell to cast. Then you roll a d6. This is the max # of dice you can throw on it, unless you have a special rule like Morathi's. I.e you roll a d6, and it comes up 2, you can only throw 2 dice on that. Your opponent is not so limited.

Broken Concentration is no longer a thing. It's flat out gone, though a roll on dice of 3 or less is still a failed cast.

You can cast multiple copies of the same spell so long as:

-- Casting cost is not 15 or greater

-- Its not an end times signature spell

-- Its not a boosted spell of a spell that you have previously cast in the turn already

-- the wizard casting the spell hasn't already failed to cast this spell this turn. (however he can cast other spells).


-- All level 3's and above automatically know their lore(s) signature end times spell ; signature end times (only!) spells are not dispellable. They are mostly nasty, some are a bit meh, though most are just flat out nasty.

-- All level 3's and above automatically know "summon arcane fulcrum"




Alarrielle, Incarnate of Life, is by far my favorite of the new chars. Eternity King Malekith is a close second.

So they're going down THAT road, eh? Not the first time something like that has happened.

Pretty blown away at how the story unfolded in the end. Never would have expected Malekith to reign supreme and be doing it from Athel Loren.

Does anyone think Teclis makes a crazy appearance in the end to go toe to toe with Nagash?

Play new magic rules yesterday Orc and gobs vs tomb kings, too give them a go simply awful. Was tower mission(I know not ideal) abandoned on half way through turn three. After tomb kings attempted too cast three spells one got through than number 4 a successful purple sun and was back too 17 dice too spend. He had Lv 4 death and Lv life. Magic phase was just silly for tombkings. If did not destroy units completely in one turn back too full strength each magic phase. Magic phases where soooooo long due too so many casts. And just sitting bemused as army was just taken apart. In the magic phase. Was a pretty pointless excersie too be honest can't see me playing those rules again and tombkings player agreed just so op was comical

Wow dat der magicz be crayyyyzaaay!!!

For realz tho seems a little crazy. I think (from da ruuumours) that this magic isn't gunna be the same as what 9th will be this is just like the end times stuff.

This means my lvl1 engineer knows all spells in lore of ruin? Like every wizard is a loremaster? Me'sa so confuuuzed

riburn3 wrote:
Pretty blown away at how the story unfolded in the end. Never would have expected Malekith to reign supreme and be doing it from Athel Loren.

Does anyone think Teclis makes a crazy appearance in the end to go toe to toe with Nagash?

Well light dles disperse the shadow...

I think its a given, Malekiths story isnt over yet, that much is made pretty clear.

Draigo as in OUR (40k) Draigo?

Can you tell us more about the fluff please?

So I take it that the Everqueen and Ariel are now one and the same and Avatar of Isha? Why does she/they ally with Malkeith? Is the Phoenix King as Avatar thing now finished.

Any mention of what the Everqueen's daughter did to Arkhan just before she died?

What's Neferata doing in all this?

What does Draigo actually do?

Any other well know characters from the lore turn up - any mention of Malius Darkblade or Dracenfels?

Did Middenheim fall?

Have the Slann and their servants actually left (to another world)?

thanks for any / all answers

Malus becomes Tzarkan. Like, actually becomes him. And then gets killed by T-bro.

Alarielle(Isha) allies with Malekith(Asuryan) against Tyrion(Khaine).

And nothing else from that list is mentioned.

Wait so you can only thow d6 dice at a spell?

Good luck getting anything decent off then.

Lets try to cast Okhams, welp only 1 dice guess that was a waste.

Not sure whether to get this. I dont have either of the other two, so if the story is one long arc it'll be a while before I have all of them (dos that'd be like £115 on 3 books). The main reason I want it is to play with some of the incredible DE models alongside my WE, but I don't know if the army lists will even survive into 9th edition.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Spoiler:

Richter Kless, author of the Liber Chaotica, and Drago (yes, THAT Drago) both pop up in the story, which are the coolest thing ever to me because of how non obvious it is.

Nearly as bad as Robout Guillimans tactica in the last one, AS far as the end times go, its forgettable. Thorpe is terrible

 Mythantor wrote:
Wait so you can only thow d6 dice at a spell?

You roll a D6 per Wizard to see the maximum number of dice you can use to cast a specific spell. You declare what spell you're casting, then roll that D6. The same also goes to see how many dice a Wizard can use to dispel.

It's harder to get big spells off on little Wizards and it extends the Magic phase a bit, but given that Wizards can now use all of the spells from the Lores of Magic that they know and are not limited to a number of spells determined by their level...it works out pretty well.


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 the shrouded lord wrote:
Draigo as in OUR (40k) Draigo?

That's speculation.

There's a "knight in silvered armor", that was captured by Nurgle.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
Draigo as in OUR (40k) Draigo?

Yes.

So I take it that the Everqueen and Ariel are now one and the same and Avatar of Isha? Why does she/they ally with Malkeith? Is the Phoenix King as Avatar thing now finished.

Yes, she allies with Malekith because it turns out that he was intended to be the Phoenix King all along (but was a weak ass punk and didnt complete the ritual) and he steps into the Flames of Asuryan unprotected (unlike the usurpers) and comes out the other side to prove it. Thus, as Everqueen, she marries him (as is tradition). Not sure what the avatar thing youre talking about is.

Any mention of what the Everqueen's daughter did to Arkhan just before she died?

What's Neferata doing in all this?

Covered in previous books.

What does Draigo actually do?

Nothing really. At a point in the story a couple characters have to go to the Garden of Nurgle on a rescue mission and alojg the way they encounter a large lone knight clad in silver armor who speaks funny and is cursed to battle daemons in the warp for an eternity (they put it a lot more subtly than that)

Any other well know characters from the lore turn up - any mention of Malius Darkblade or Dracenfels?

Malus is kind of central to the first third of the book. I have no idea who Dracenfels is but he does get mentioned in a previous book.

Did Middenheim fall?

Have the Slann and their servants actually left (to another world)?

Again, previous book.

Nearly as bad as Robout Guillimans tactica in the last one, AS far as the end times go, its forgettable. Thorpe is terrible

Huh?? Wait what?

That's speculation.

There's a "knight in silvered armor", that was captured by Nurgle.

See, subtle

Hes more than in just silver armor, they provide more clues than that, such as his speech which they are unfamiliar with (yet still understand), to the fact that he is uncorrupted by nurgles touch, well known throughout the realms of chaos, cursed to fight for an eternity, cannot die, etc. The clues pop up throughout the story, to my knowledge there is no fantasy equivalent to draigo so its got to be draigo.

 Haight wrote:
Anyone else have End Times: Khaine yet ?
There's 4 ways you can use end times magic, including "... either player wants to use End Times magic". That is literally how it reads, not "with opponents permission", but rather "either wants to use". Interesting.

So "compulsory"?

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:

 Haight wrote:
Anyone else have End Times: Khaine yet ?
There's 4 ways you can use end times magic, including "... either player wants to use End Times magic". That is literally how it reads, not "with opponents permission", but rather "either wants to use". Interesting.

So "compulsory"?

or "im not using end times magic, peroid" then no one gets to play.........

I won't even BRING my ball. That'll show 'em.

There are still players who:
Refuse to use end times 50%
Refuse to use any end times (no 50%, no legions)
Refuse to play 8th (they still use 7th)

You can't MAKE someone use the new magic rules. But either player saying "We either do what I want or I'm goin' home" is wrong. You can just agree to 4+ it or alternate "Last time I played you we didn't use ET magic so this time we should"

If it's that big of an unresolvable issue that you do / don't use them and no one is willing to compromise just find different opponents.

Personally I will try them and reserve judgement until I do aside from ONE part. I'l still try it but I'm definitly having a strong opinion on it .

Undispellable spells rub me the wrong way from a mechanics point of view. I understand that you can IF but at least there's a downside of rolling a miscast & being done for the turn. I don't like the idea of "This unit has a 2++, too bad" "Your mage can't dispell or cast next turn too bad"

I think the end times spells, while powerful, shouldn;t be undispellable, and would feel much more confident about the changes if they were.

Thanks for the answers- much appreciated

So I take it that the Everqueen and Ariel are now one and the same and Avatar of Isha? Why does she/they ally with Malkeith? Is the Phoenix King as Avatar thing now finished.

Yes, she allies with Malekith because it turns out that he was intended to be the Phoenix King all along (but was a weak ass punk and didnt complete the ritual) and he steps into the Flames of Asuryan unprotected (unlike the usurpers) and comes out the other side to prove it. Thus, as Everqueen, she marries him (as is tradition). Not sure what the avatar thing youre talking about is

.

The Everqueen and Ariel were/are aspects / Avatars of Isha - now combined - that's going to be fun marriage even of convenience - can he even father children anymore being all burnt - unless he is healed?

Any mention of what the Everqueen's daughter did to Arkhan just before she died? Covered in previous books.

Not in Nagash it wasn't was it in Glotkin then - sorry not got that one either ?

What's Neferata doing in all this?

Covered in previous books. only got Nagash - isn't there something about torturing a vampire captive - Isabella Von Carnstein perhaps - Neferata has worked with the Dark Elves before...

This whole elves playing nice thing is really starting to worry me about the future of fantasy. Chaos has worked together in the past and maintained seperate books, nagash can die and undead can go back to hating eachother, but with all the death in this elven storyline and maliketh taking over , ect it really looks as if the books are going to be cut down. Losing the flavor of the elves and chaos and undead would be sad.

Well the elves arent really playing all that nice. Malekith is quite a tragic character, hes ruling because he is ruthless and its what the elves need for survival, not because he is loved by any of the three nations of elves, but yes, they really are consolidating, but I dont think youre really going to see much loss in the way of flavor as you will a remixing of it.

It would but it's better for the game mechanics wise. Maintaining 15 army books is too much for one company to handle. Well one company GWs size, they may be the biggest name in miniature gaming but that doesn't mean they're that big.

It's what lead to armybooks going unupdated for 5 to 10 years. If they can condense them down into even say 10 assuming no more mergers it would make it that much more managable. It would prevent things like the OLD DE book being broken as all hell due to outdated rules. It would help bretonnia not go unupdated for 10 years & 2 editions.

While it is sad that some of the unique character may be diluted. You can still field a "pure" force out of any of the mergers. It just makes it more managable. It also makes the IP more defensible.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well the elves arent really playing all that nice. Malekith is quite a tragic character, hes ruling because he is ruthless and its what the elves need for survival, not because he is loved by any of the three nations of elves, but yes, they really are consolidating, but I dont think youre really going to see much loss in the way of flavor as you will a remixing of it.

Malkeith has always been that as per the Sundering - but then he has also tortured, enslaved and killed many tens perhaps hundreds of thousands of Elves, killed husbands, children, lovers and parents of those who are supposed to follow him.....he had the current Everqueens mother killed (who is still with her) and most of her childhood firends and guardians, had persued her across half her own lands and set a Greater Daemon on her - as Arranged marriages go - can anyone think of a worse one?

Are we sure Morathi is actually dead given her pacts and not just out of action?

Anything on the High Elf/ Vampire Princess that Mannfred made in Nagash?

So I take it that the Everqueen and Ariel are now one and the same and Avatar of Isha? Why does she/they ally with Malkeith? Is the Phoenix King as Avatar thing now finished.

Yes, she allies with Malekith because it turns out that he was intended to be the Phoenix King all along (but was a weak ass punk and didnt complete the ritual) and he steps into the Flames of Asuryan unprotected (unlike the usurpers) and comes out the other side to prove it. Thus, as Everqueen, she marries him (as is tradition). Not sure what the avatar thing youre talking about is

.

The Everqueen and Ariel were/are aspects / Avatars of Isha - now combined - that's going to be fun marriage even of convenience - can he even father children anymore being all burnt - unless he is healed?

Any mention of what the Everqueen's daughter did to Arkhan just before she died? Covered in

Ah, yes Malekith is now avatar of Asuryan and the Everqueen is avatar of Isha, although technically speaking all the gods are dead apparrently, except for Lileath.

As for the Arkhan/Nefarata thing, when I said in previous books I meant Nagash, thats the extent of what we know about them.

Morathi was eaten by Slaanesh, pretty sure she dead.
The Vampire elf princess is the new elf god of the underworld or something like that, forget her name.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Ah, yes Malekith is now avatar of Asuryan and the Everqueen is avatar of Isha, although technically speaking all the gods are dead apparrently, except for Lileath.

As for the Arkhan/Nefarata thing, when I said in previous books I meant Nagash, thats the extent of what we know about them.

Morathi was eaten by Slaanesh, pretty sure she dead.
The Vampire elf princess is the new elf god of the underworld or something like that, forget her name.

Ah right thanks so Eldrya has taken the place of Ereth Khail - interesting - so Mannfred does not control her anymore?

Yeah being eaten by Slaanesh is usually fatal - unless she/he wants her to come back for some reason - like to torment her son

chaos0xomega wrote:
to my knowledge there is no fantasy equivalent to draigo so its got to be draigo.

This is flawed logic on SO many levels....

It may be a brand new character, it may be Kaleb Daark. Or you may be right, but just because there is no equivalent doesn't mean that it must be him. Granted there are rumous that the realm of chaos connects both universes but still until we have confirmation we can't know.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
to my knowledge there is no fantasy equivalent to draigo so its got to be draigo.

This is flawed logic on SO many levels....

It may be a brand new character, it may be Kaleb Daark. Or you may be right, but just because there is no equivalent doesn't mean that it must be him. Granted there are rumous that the realm of chaos connects both universes but still until we have confirmation we can't know.

They have a couple of Daemons that appear in both worlds IIRC so I guess its not impossible - they do appear to be happy to drop these titbits in to make people speculate

 Mr Morden wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Ah, yes Malekith is now avatar of Asuryan and the Everqueen is avatar of Isha, although technically speaking all the gods are dead apparrently, except for Lileath.

As for the Arkhan/Nefarata thing, when I said in previous books I meant Nagash, thats the extent of what we know about them.

Morathi was eaten by Slaanesh, pretty sure she dead.
The Vampire elf princess is the new elf god of the underworld or something like that, forget her name.

Ah right thanks so Eldrya has taken the place of Ereth Khail - interesting - so Mannfred does not control her anymore?

Yeah being eaten by Slaanesh is usually fatal - unless she/he wants her to come back for some reason - like to torment her son

Nope, she was liberated.

And as I understand it it would be quite impossible for Morathi to be sent back by Slaanesh since the great vortex or whatever its called has been sealed I think, bit I might be wrong on that.

It may be a brand new character, it may be Kaleb Daark. Or you may be right, but just because there is no equivalent doesn't mean that it must be him. Granted there are rumous that the realm of chaos connects both universes but still until we have confirmation we can't know.

Trust me, its Draigo.

And as I understand it it would be quite impossible for Morathi to be sent back by Slaanesh since the great vortex or whatever its called has been sealed I think, bit I might be wrong on that.

There are two places that the Realm of Chaos enters the world - one at each pole - to stop Slaanesh sending stuff (or any other god, Chaos or otherwise) the world would need to be sealed from the Warp and then you have no magic either. Not sure if there is even another that is on or part of the Chaos Moon as thats pure warpstone.

Sure the Silver Warrior was not a Necron We'll be having the "Warrior in Jet and Gold" next