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Where I find Objective Secure not really worth it is when I am only taking 2 Troop Choices out of 8-12 Units.

 Anpu42 wrote:
Where I find Objective Secure not really worth it is when I am only taking 2 Troop Choices out of 8-12 Units.

The new forced Blood Angel Style.

 Coyote81 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Where I find Objective Secure not really worth it is when I am only taking 2 Troop Choices out of 8-12 Units.

The new forced Blood Angel Style.

Yes, and Space Wolves too.
Since the new Space Wolf Codex came out I have yet to field a CAD and the Blood Angels Codex is not going to change this pattern at all.

You, my newly found friend, have convinced me! Baal strike force it is

trulsante wrote:
You, my newly found friend, have convinced me! Baal strike force it is

Good choice!
Trust me: When you have a Tactical Squad on that Objective with I5 and S5 on the charge, it's secured.

Objective Secured is, in my opinion, more useful for ranged and resilient armies.
It's when you have a unit that cannot win the combat, but they will surely endure a couple of turns.

Yeah, I can't see myself ever using the CAD with BA. +1 Init is too good to pass up.

today i did my first complete match with new codex
i was against tiranyd with 7+ MC and flying tyrant-ifex-thing (really i fail to memorise creature name x_x )

my list was standard:
- Libby lvl 2 with staff of gallian (with tactical, see below)
- priest with JP on

- sanguinary guard 9x encarmine + 1x fist
- death company 1x fist, 2x pw, 5x chainsword and pistol
- death company 1x fist, 2x pw, 5x chainsword and pistol (yes, 2 identical squad)

- 5x sniper scout, pwned on first shooting round ;_;
- Tac 1x flamer, 1x heavy flamer, 2x hand flamer, pod; squadded: flamer squad on pod (with libby) while others running on objective (did almost nothing, they failed ALL Ld test -_- )

- ASM 2x melta, 1x combi-melta, 2x bolter, pod
- ASM 2x melta, 1x combi-melta, 2x bolter, pod
- Bike 2x grav-gun 1x combi grav, 3x bolter bike + MM attack bike

i honestly gave up on 4 turn while i had only 5 SG left and he still had 3 MC on the table. We both had 5 points each from tactical objective (but i would never be able to survive 5th turn...)
on my defense i say i didn't know i would play vs 'nids, so list was not tailored against this horde of MC (plus, he rarely use too many MC)
however list was ok.
funny and effective, if i had a little more luck on grav gun and DC's saves and dind't do a couple of errors
what i lack to see useful was the librarian.
maybe sanguine powers sucks. maybe running along a 5 men flaming tac drop podded is'nt a good idea. maybe i just got unlucky with psychic roll. however, almost did nothing, neither deny the witch :\
it's a "surely must, you can't leave him home" and i did something wrong, or is no more a good choice (like it was on previous edition)??

is list a good composition or i should change something, like removing a DC and adding a big boxed metal guy (aka fragioso), a command/sternguard in lieu of assault or something like that?
(maybe also adding something on Archangel Strike Formation )

Hi All, I've eventually got a list i quite like the look of. It's CAD, 2k, no formation's or LOW. Plenty of fast mech and pod's.
We're just starting to use the maelstrom mission's and want to know if you think this could do well at them?
Here's the link if you want to add/ask anything specific.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/628605.page#7460424

Here's the quick one.

S-priest: J-pack, Valours edge,

Sanguinary guard (5): 1 x PF, 2 x axes, priest goes here,
Furioso: M-grapple, HF,
Drop pod: Deathwind,
Furioso: Frag cannon, HF,
Drop pod:

Tactical squad (10): HF, Flamer, Vet: power weapon, hand flamer,
Drop pod:
Tactical squad (10): HB, Grav, C-grav, (combat squad's)
Razor back: t/l Las-cannon's, d-blade,
Tactical squad (10): P-Cannon, Plasma gun, C-plasma, (combat squad's)
Razor back: t/l Assault cannon's, d-blade,

Assault squad (5): 2 x melta gun's, 1 x c-melta,
Drop pod: Deathwind,

Stormraven:
Baal: HB, S-bolter, d-blades,
Vindicator: S-bolter, S-sheild,


I like the heavy mech feel to it and with plenty of fast stuff it has maneuverability to get to point's.

Cheer's

I just played the 3 storm raven 3 tact squad formation today all I can say is blaa. None of the deep striking things got off a charge from deep striking. Because the dang storm ravens killed everything within range could have played it diffrently, but I did play Tau and almost took them off the board 1st turn. While the 3 storm ravens looks great on paper it is a huge point sink. Although coming in turn 1 doing a 0 opening deployment denied shooting and the storms really cleaned up. I might redo it with just no weapons on the tacs maybe meta bombs on sgts.

Fireraven wrote:
I just played the 3 storm raven 3 tact squad formation today all I can say is blaa. None of the deep striking things got off a charge from deep striking. Because the dang storm ravens killed everything within range could have played it diffrently, but I did play Tau and almost took them off the board 1st turn. While the 3 storm ravens looks great on paper it is a huge point sink. Although coming in turn 1 doing a 0 opening deployment denied shooting and the storms really cleaned up. I might redo it with just no weapons on the tacs maybe meta bombs on sgts.

What were your intended Jump/Teleport units? Was the Tau list not equipped for dealing with a bunch of fliers?

He had 2 sky fire units, they both got nuked, his inteceptor got nuked, with the angels jump pack relic making interceptor snap shoot on his squad. Castor dread controlled my back field and the tacs sat on 3 objectives.

Fireraven wrote:
He had 2 sky fire units, they both got nuked, his inteceptor got nuked, with the angels jump pack relic making interceptor snap shoot on his squad. Castor dread controlled my back field and the tacs sat on 3 objectives.

Ah. Well, nice to know that the army that is most capable for nuking fliers can have an issue with this setup. I don't think I will ever run it though. The Angel's Wing seems to be an auto-include for anyone running a JP army.

I do have a couple thoughts. If I give the Angel's Wing to a model, then stick that model into a Stormraven, are Interceptor shots against the Stormraven fired as Snap Shots?

Also, can I stuff the Vanguard Veterans from the Angel's Wrath formation into a Stormraven?

Angels wrath is a formation that rolls in an once so you could not embark it on the raven.

Fireraven wrote:
Angels wrath is a formation that rolls in an once so you could not embark it on the raven.

I kinda figured. Still curious if the Angel's Wing would grant its Snap Shot Interceptor ability to a Stormraven if the bearer is embarked on it. I still might attach whatever I give the Angel's Wing to the Vanguard Veterans from Angel's Wrath. Ensuring they get to the ground so their attached Assault Squads get in too is pretty important.

No reason why you could not put the relic on a priest like I did then in combining reserves attach the priest to the squad. Still only 1 roll for the whole formation.

Fireraven wrote:
No reason why you could not put the relic on a priest like I did then in combining reserves attach the priest to the squad. Still only 1 roll for the whole formation.

Well, I guess I would just have to hope I get Descent of Angels for him so I can reroll basically everything in regards to Deep Strike. Since the Priest would be attached to the Vanguard Vets, they should get the benefit. Would basically give them laser-precise Deep Strike. And since the Assault Squads don't scatter if within 6", could maximize the amount of S4, AP - hits. Or...I could just get Dante and attach him and the Priest to the VVs.

Hey guys, I played my 2nd game with the new dex last night vs Crimson Slaughter. It was 1500 points and my list was:

Mephiston
Librarian in TDA, Gallian's Staff, Storm Shield, Vitae, ML2

10x Tacticals, Heavy Flamer, Meltagun, Combi-melta, Drop Pod
9x Tacticals, Melta, Combi-Melta, Rhino

5x ASM, 2x Melta, Drop Pod

Furioso, Frag Cannon, heavy Flamer, Magna Grapple, Drop Pod
9x Death Company, 1x Fist, 1x Sword, 1xAxe, Jump Packs

Tigurius
5x Scouts - 4x Sniper, 1x Missile

His list was 2 units of chosen in rhinos, a heldrake, lvl 3 sorcerer with +1 WC upgrade, Daemon Prince of Khorne, Defiler, Helbrute, 2 Nurgle Obliterators. I think that was it. Various Upgrades of chaos all around.

First thing -- Invisibility on Death Company makes them unstoppable. They killed fully half of his army, including both HQ's, while only taking 2 casualties in return. I made a mistake with mephiston, as I assaulted his obliterators thinking his sorcerer was joined with them. When i realized that wasn't the case i paid for it with Mephiston's blood, but luckily he wasn't my warlord so it was OK.

Overall I really enjoyed how the list played, and the +1 to initiative from the Baal Strike Force came into play pretty often. Now that Death Co are only WS4, i think a chaplain or Astorath are really worth adding into the force.

I won 15-4 on turn 7. Also I tabled him. Woot.

I think BA will be rough on many lists without a lot of firepower. Of course, that's a short list of lists in 7th.

That moment when inquisitor coteaz and his grav cent bodyguards roast the special jump pack equipped captain and his death company entourage.

Good times, good times.

Oh yeah, Coteaz gets around the angels wings. Havent thought of that.

I dunno, by using speed to our advantage we can close the gap with shooty armies fast enough to get dudes in for some knife work. Luckily we have such a huge advantage in CC that even a few guys getting across the table will do the job.

So which detachment's Command Benefit is the best?

Baal Strike Force - +1 INI when charging

Archangels Strike Force - Re-roll Reserves, 1d6 scatter on deep strike

Flesh Tearers Strike Force - Rage on a charge roll of 10+


At first glance, I think the Baal Strike Force is the clear winner, but the unique FOC's associated with Archangels and Flesh Tearers makes them desirable as well, depending on what type of list you'd like to make.

edit -fixed the typo on flesh tearer's bonus.

Probably the Baal. The FT-Strike Force needs a 10 or higher, otherwise it would have been good

Baal > Flesh Tearers, because +1I is better than a small and unreliable chance for additional attacks.
I wouldn't want to give up the Initiative-bonus to avoid the 2 mandatory Troops.
The Archangels is something you probably only want if you're deadset on taking the Veterans, since the scatter can also be obtained through Commander Dante.

Would it be feasible to use the TL-Assault Cannon turrets from the Baal Predator kits as Razorbacks? From a Wysiwyg standpoint?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Would it be feasible to use the TL-Assault Cannon turrets from the Baal Predator kits as Razorbacks? From a Wysiwyg standpoint?

It would look cool, so I'd say it's fine. Make it clear what's what and you shouldn't have any issues.

On the subject of Detachments, I reckon I'll be taking an Archangels one for my Termies and Sternguard Vets (who don't really need the +1I thanks to Fists and shootyness respectively), while my Tacs, Assaults, Priests and DC go in a BSF.

 Paradigm wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Would it be feasible to use the TL-Assault Cannon turrets from the Baal Predator kits as Razorbacks? From a Wysiwyg standpoint?

It would look cool, so I'd say it's fine. Make it clear what's what and you shouldn't have any issues.

On the subject of Detachments, I reckon I'll be taking an Archangels one for my Termies and Sternguard Vets (who don't really need the +1I thanks to Fists and shootyness respectively), while my Tacs, Assaults, Priests and DC go in a BSF.

With your Archangels, do you prefer a terminator Libby, Chaplain, or Captain? I'm thinking of giving Karlaen a fair shot, even though he doesn't have a storm shield. Iron Halo is something, at least.

That's a good idea!
Perhaps I should get some Sternguard too, but they have so many options I wouldn't know what to take.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Would it be feasible to use the TL-Assault Cannon turrets from the Baal Predator kits as Razorbacks? From a Wysiwyg standpoint?

It would look cool, so I'd say it's fine. Make it clear what's what and you shouldn't have any issues.

On the subject of Detachments, I reckon I'll be taking an Archangels one for my Termies and Sternguard Vets (who don't really need the +1I thanks to Fists and shootyness respectively), while my Tacs, Assaults, Priests and DC go in a BSF.

With your Archangels, do you prefer a terminator Libby, Chaplain, or Captain? I'm thinking of giving Karlaen a fair shot, even though he doesn't have a storm shield. Iron Halo is something, at least.

It's all just theory at the moment, as I haven't got around to playing it yet, but either a TDA ML2 Librarian or a TH/SS Captain.

Alright, thanks for the input!

Kangodo wrote:
That's a good idea!
Perhaps I should get some Sternguard too, but they have so many options I wouldn't know what to take.

I run mine with a couple of Combi-meltas and that's it. Once they pop those, the Special Issue Ammo is all they need, as they have the different rounds to engage any kind of infantry really. I certainly wouldn't give up the Bolter for anything, that's an easy trap to fall into but not worth it, seeing as you already pay for the Special Ammo and it's great.

And how many of those do you play?

It seems like a good idea to put them in a Drop Pod.
I often wish they had Relentless, since that would make them a beautiful squad.

Argh, my wishlist gets bigger.. It's now at Assault Terminators, Sternguard and Tactical Marines.