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 thedarkavenger wrote:
On the plus side, I found a better Verminlord!

I found a better one that that. In fact, I own one.

Me too. That Mierce one is okay but I think I prefer the GW one. I do like the FW one too.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
On the plus side, I found a better Verminlord!

That looks like more like a slave than a lord. Great model though.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Okay. The rules for the Deceiver have been leaked. It's pretty terrible. No armour, and the only differences between it and a normal Verminlord's profile is +1T and W.



You literally never have a good opinion about anything do you?

I... think I'll pass on the new Verminlord, thank you.

In fact, it spurred me into buying the old one, because god knows the moulds for that (or at least it's place on GW shelves) are likely not long for this world.

The FW Lord is by far superior. Just because its simple without all the "busy-ness" of the new vermin lord going on.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
On the plus side, I found a better Verminlord!

I dunno, verminlords are supposed to be daemons of the HORNED rat. So they're supposed to like, you know, have horns.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
On the plus side, I found a better Verminlord!

I dunno, verminlords are supposed to be daemons of the HORNED rat. So they're supposed to like, you know, have horns.

Yeah, to me the Mierce model always seemed more like something you'd use for a Giant back in the days that you could take DoW Giants.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Okay. The rules for the Deceiver have been leaked. It's pretty terrible. No armour, and the only differences between it and a normal Verminlord's profile is +1T and W.

You literally never have a good opinion about anything do you?

Debating him is pointless, as once he forms an opinion he will not let go of it, no matter how much evidence you throw at him.

I mean, it hasn't even been released yet and the verdict is IT SUCKS DONT BUY IT. How bout we all wait and play test them.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I mean, it hasn't even been released yet and the verdict is IT SUCKS DONT BUY IT. How bout we all wait and play test them.

Welcome to the Internet!

I would think the Deceiver being able to Skitterleap anywhere on the board would be a big enough deal, let alone the extra wound and toughness.

https://twitter.com/GrahamMcNeill/status/547297315888041984?s=09

Kislev related End Times tale coming in 2015 then it seems.

Seeing this make me believe it's going to be a fact that at the.... End... We're getting greater daemons, I honestly now believe that they are holding them back.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I mean, it hasn't even been released yet and the verdict is IT SUCKS DONT BUY IT. How bout we all wait and play test them.

+1 sir. Drives me crazy when there's a new release and the first thing someone says is, IT SUCKS DON'T BUY IT!!.

Also, can someone update the OP please? Cheers.

Without prior knowledge I wouldn't necessarily have guessed that was a Vermin Lord. Someone needs to have a word with the design department and tell them that less can actually be more. See the far superior FW version for evidence.

Have felt the same way about most of the big End Times gribblies.

Perhaps the new kit might look better once we get more pictures of it, different angles and paintjobs, as well as seeing these other options might make all the difference.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

Sim-Life wrote:
Is everyone else looking at a different model?

It looks awful. The gigantic horns make his head look tiny, his pose is stupid (why is he holding a Necron ressurection orb and standing on his own glaive), his braid beard things look silly, and his legs and feet just look weird.

+1 to this, whatever people are seeing in these new big kits I just don't like them. They seem to be big and showy and full of 'wow factor' with no actual substance.

I don't really get comments like this. What exactly is 'substance' in a model? They're big monsters and stuff, wow factor is kind of what they're all about.

No offence, it's fair enough if you don't like it.

Its a case of style over substance.
Look at the picture of the Verminlord in the Skaven armybook. Its sinister, intimidating and looks powerful without being overly overt about it. Like the elementsnof Skavendom it is supposed to embody

The new model looks flamboyant, overt and rediculous.

 reds8n wrote:
https://twitter.com/GrahamMcNeill/status/547297315888041984?s=09

Kislev related End Times tale coming in 2015 then it seems.

Holy YEEEEEAAAHHH

I think I prefer the Forge World version's anatomy (rat-human hybrid as opposed to humanoid rat), but this will clearly look a lot better with an appropriate paint job.

Surely the Warp Seer ought to be white furred, red eyed, and all that. Presumably he's a Grey Seer Demon Prince. Whether Vermin Lords are Daemon Princes or Greater Daemons is kind of fuzzy.

I mean I also though Nagash's model was painted inappropriately. I mean why is "The Black Armour" Morikhane blue? etc. It kind of turned me off that they tried to make what I could still tell was a great model look like Skeletor.

Is this what goes up for preorder today? (the End Times book)

 Col. Tartleton wrote:
Whether Vermin Lords are Daemon Princes or Greater Daemons is kind of fuzzy.

How is it fuzzy? They've always been referred to as Greater Daemons of the Horned Rat as far back as 4th/5th(when they were the best GD you could field).

 ProfessionalAmateur wrote:
Perhaps the new kit might look better once we get more pictures of it, different angles and paintjobs, as well as seeing these other options might make all the difference.

So much this!

I mean, we've known for a long while now that the 'Eavy Metal team tend to always pick just about the most god-awful colour schemes possible for every new big kit. I'm pretty sure that once we see some actual paint jobs from around the community, the kit will look about 1000% better than the crappy GW photos & paint job.

 streamdragon wrote:
I would think the Deceiver being able to Skitterleap anywhere on the board would be a big enough deal, let alone the extra wound and toughness.

Yeah seriously. Remember how when the blight kings came out and everybody complained they sucked. They seem to do fine for one of my opponents. That said these days everything's about super fast magical elf cavalry that avoids you all day. It's almost killed warhammer for me (mostly because the same 3-4 factions are being played and that's what killed 40k for me). Remember when your guys could actually get into a combat and actually fight? Not anymore thanks to elf fast cavalry nonsense.

"17th Thanquol end times book and mini

24th new unit, armoured rat ogres called stormfiends plus clam pack warlord and grey seer and re release of old I think in metal oddly warlock engineers"





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Those are the rumoured release dates in January by the way^^

Interested in seeing the new rat ogre armoured models. Maybe I can use the rat ogres I have then! Plus new models are always fun lol

 chiefbigredman wrote:
"17th Thanquol end times book and mini

24th new unit, armoured rat ogres called stormfiends plus clam pack warlord and grey seer and re release of old I think in metal oddly warlock engineers"





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Those are the rumoured release dates in January by the way^^

Interested in seeing the new rat ogre armoured models. Maybe I can use the rat ogres I have then! Plus new models are always fun lol

This makes me such happy in my pants...

So 9th/10th for pre-order?


This is a first. I don't think I've ever NOT wanted my BBTS pre-orders to come in early before.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Okay. The rules for the Deceiver have been leaked. It's pretty terrible. No armour, and the only differences between it and a normal Verminlord's profile is +1T and W.

You literally never have a good opinion about anything do you?

Debating him is pointless, as once he forms an opinion he will not let go of it, no matter how much evidence you throw at him.

The fact that this is the skaven super character and it's just about adequate means that it's meh. I'm waiting to see the rest before I make my verdict on them. We'll see. If they all use this sort of profile, then Skaven still won't really be able to take part in End Times stuff.

Exalted vermin lord is so much better he is a murderer of all life.

flamingkillamajig wrote:[Yeah seriously. Remember how when the blight kings came out and everybody complained they sucked. They seem to do fine for one of my opponents. That said these days everything's about super fast magical elf cavalry that avoids you all day. It's almost killed warhammer for me (mostly because the same 3-4 factions are being played and that's what killed 40k for me). Remember when your guys could actually get into a combat and actually fight? Not anymore thanks to elf fast cavalry nonsense.

The Deceiver Lord sounds like he'd murder MSU cavalry. S6 (-3 Armor) + Poison, with a shot for each model in the front rank? Can skitterleap in the magic phase so he makes sure he can shoot? And he can still cast other spells mind you, he is a level 4 wizard. I mean, he's still 500 points which even for his boosted abilities feels high. But still, one of the biggest issues of Plague magic is the short range. Skitterleap a decently tough monster that can cast plague? Heck yeah.

chiefbigredman wrote:"17th Thanquol end times book and mini

24th new unit, armoured rat ogres called stormfiends plus clam pack warlord and grey seer and re release of old I think in metal oddly warlock engineers"

New Rat Ogres, useful Rat Ogres, would make me the happiest skaven player. Would love a few bits designed to make a Bonebreaker as well.