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To be fair, that is actually a removal of the faction.

Well, it's changing the way it's presented. An Elf book will still have fluff and units from all three elves armies, just in one book.

It's semantics really. Who knows what GW meant, or even if it still holds true. Could be seen both ways.

Maybe I missed something here but no book pictures have been posted yet so I assume this is more than a 1 week release. Any reliable rumours on what else is coming yet?

 namiel wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 namiel wrote:
GW has said that NO factions with be removed. This includes combining armies to make one unified book. There will STILL be 15 different army books, none are being eliminated.

Where was this said? I thought all indications pointed to the opposite, that combining of some armies was extremely likely...

by gw corporate

Do you have a reference of this somewhere? Or are you saying it was verbal, etc?

 RiTides wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 namiel wrote:
GW has said that NO factions with be removed. This includes combining armies to make one unified book. There will STILL be 15 different army books, none are being eliminated.

Where was this said? I thought all indications pointed to the opposite, that combining of some armies was extremely likely...

by gw corporate

Do you have a reference of this somewhere? Or are you saying it was verbal, etc?

It was a few years ago, but Jervis said in a WD (probably via his Standard Bearer column) that they were dedicated to maintaining and expanding their existing factions and no more would be removed (as per Squats). He also stated at the time that there would be no more new races for the foreseeable future.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well, it's changing the way it's presented. An Elf book will still have fluff and units from all three elves armies, just in one book.

A bigger book than a current army book I guess.
I suppose the variation in prices of the mix of end times books has told GW all the info they need on how much they can fleece us for. I'm expecting £45 for a paperback release or something equally insane. Sheesh. And you all say GW do no market research.

Yes, those horns would have been ballin' on a Keeper of Secrets.

 RiTides wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 namiel wrote:
GW has said that NO factions with be removed. This includes combining armies to make one unified book. There will STILL be 15 different army books, none are being eliminated.

Where was this said? I thought all indications pointed to the opposite, that combining of some armies was extremely likely...

by gw corporate

Do you have a reference of this somewhere? Or are you saying it was verbal, etc?

It was verbal brought from the gw managers meetings in dallas. It was stated to them then that they could announce that no books would be going away no armies will be discontinued, ect.

I expect to see a 40K style alliance system implemented in fantasy.

Battle buddies along the lines of the end times books:
- HE/DE/WE
- TK/VC
- WoC/DoC/BM
- Empire/Bret/Dwarves
- O&G/Ogres?
- Others?

If I can field Chaos Legions, HotEK, and the alliance of dwarves and men in 9th I'll be totally psyched.

Black Templars have lost their standalone status and have been rolled into the big SM codex.

Apparently, one book for 2+ more factions does not count as Squatting.

It does however mean all DE/HE/WE players will now be buying two more books and potentially a bunch more kits.

Pretty sure they wont be squatting any army, as they just released core troops, who are pretty similar, for the DE and WE.

I expect an allaince system, like in 40k, but i'd be very surprised to see combined faction.

Of course they're going to tell customers "Every product line will continue to receive support, nothing is going away!", because they want you to keep buying it. Telling people otherwise would essentially kill the sales for a line, if they weren't dead already, because no one in their right mind would invest in them if they knew they were being removed from the game. Personally I don't care what Jervis said at a Games Day or whatever GW event, in the end he's telling people what he has to in order to keep them buying product and doing what he was told to do. The decision to either continue or drop support for armies isn't really his call to make in the end, and if it's something GW really wants to happen then it'll happen. If I'm not mistaken Jervis supported the specialist games range, too, and look what happened there.

By the way, THIS POST IS SPECULATION, NOT FACT. Since it needs to be spelled out for some people.

 namiel wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 namiel wrote:
GW has said that NO factions with be removed. This includes combining armies to make one unified book. There will STILL be 15 different army books, none are being eliminated.

Where was this said? I thought all indications pointed to the opposite, that combining of some armies was extremely likely...

by gw corporate

Do you have a reference of this somewhere? Or are you saying it was verbal, etc?

It was verbal brought from the gw managers meetings in dallas. It was stated to them then that they could announce that no books would be going away no armies will be discontinued, ect.

Oh, so we can expect the exact opposite then (GW managers never tell customers about the next release which will invalidate current things, even at times when it's all over the internet already).

Regardless of rules and army books and whatnot where on earth is the fluff leading with all this? It feels like 9th will be forced to pretend this all never happened or else it will be set in an area little bigger than the Empire and almost entirely unrecognizable.

(And yes, that is speculation, but isn't that the point of the news and rumors forum? It would be mighty boring here if we where only allowed to comment on things that where confirmed as true.)

I think 9th is gonna be set before the End Times, with the ET continuing on as it does now from 8th. That's what the rumours seem to be saying.

OK, have the WD for the Vermin Lords. Not a fantasy player, so I can't interprit this.
Has pictures and rules for all the 5 builds:
All have Daemon, Daemon attacks, L4 Wizard, 5+ ward, LArge Target, ItP, Scurry Away, Terror.

Warpseer has the Doom Glaive (multiple wounds d3) and Scry Orb, which grants +1 Ward or can be thrown to make a I test or die small blast.
Warp Lightning is known spell with rerolls. Cheapest.

Deciever is clan Eshin linked, has Warp Stiletto (AP, poison) and Doomstar (S user, 12" poisoned attacks, quick to fire, Arcing Death)
Skitterleap as known spell. Cheapest

Corruptor- Pestilens linked. Plague Reaper pair- ASF rule.
Plague is known spell. Cheapest

Warbringer- Warlord Clans. Doomglaive and punch dagger (Killing Blow + d3 wounds. Death Frenzy as known spell. 25 slaves more than cheapest.

Lord Skreech- Doom Glaive (d3 wounds) and Plague Reaper (ASF) choose which to fight with at start of CC phase. Dreaded 13th is known spell. Most Expensive.

what's the price ?

thanks

Does the Warbringer actually have an armor save for all the armor he is wearing?

Also, Death Frenzy guaranteed is amazing.

Edit: nevermind, I went and looked back at the picture and he isn't wearing nearly as much armor as I thought.

Im liking that eshin one.

skitterleap behind a unit that needs dieing and throw the rang. then charge next turn as they try to maneuver away

Anyone know a release date and price of the vermin lord please?

I have my "monthly budget" to spend, but rather not waste it too soon with this coming up

Also, any indication of a new skaven book or am i safe for now?

55 GBP, 71 Euro, 90 USD, 110 CAD, 129 AUD 149 NZD, preorder Jan 3rd/2nd.

No End Times book that week. Just BA box set and a couple BL novellas/ audiobooks.

Didn't see armor listed in any of the entries in the WD, only a 5+ ward (4+ on the warpseer if he does not throw his scry orb)

Last page:
WD 50 on sale Jan 10
The Skaven Attack
Mepheston vs the Swarmlord round 2
The End Times: A Timeline

Paint Splatter: Next Week- brains and brawn

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
55 GBP, 71 Euro, 90 USD, 110 CAD, 129 AUD 149 NZD, preorder Jan 3rd/2nd.

No End Times book that week. Just BA box set and a couple BL novellas/ audiobooks.

Didn't see armor listed in any of the entries in the WD, only a 5+ ward (4+ on the warpseer if he does not throw his scry orb)

Last page:
WD 50 on sale Jan 10
The Skaven Attack
Mepheston vs the Swarmlord round 2
The End Times: A Timeline

Paint Splatter: Next Week- brains and brawn

Sorry for going off-topic, but is there any Hobbit stuff in the new WD?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
55 GBP, 71 Euro, 90 USD, 110 CAD, 129 AUD 149 NZD, preorder Jan 3rd/2nd.

No End Times book that week. Just BA box set and a couple BL novellas/ audiobooks.

Didn't see armor listed in any of the entries in the WD, only a 5+ ward (4+ on the warpseer if he does not throw his scry orb)

Last page:
WD 50 on sale Jan 10
The Skaven Attack
Mepheston vs the Swarmlord round 2
The End Times: A Timeline

Paint Splatter: Next Week- brains and brawn

Major thanks major wes janson. You've been very helpful. Not sure if i can afford the vermin lord but i was afraid it'd be more than 100 USD. I'm glad it isn't.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
OK, have the WD for the Vermin Lords. Not a fantasy player, so I can't interprit this.
Has pictures and rules for all the 5 builds:
All have Daemon, Daemon attacks, L4 Wizard, 5+ ward, LArge Target, ItP, Scurry Away, Terror.

Warpseer has the Doom Glaive (multiple wounds d3) and Scry Orb, which grants +1 Ward or can be thrown to make a I test or die small blast.
Warp Lightning is known spell with rerolls. Cheapest.

Deciever is clan Eshin linked, has Warp Stiletto (AP, poison) and Doomstar (S user, 12" poisoned attacks, quick to fire, Arcing Death)
Skitterleap as known spell. Cheapest

Corruptor- Pestilens linked. Plague Reaper pair- ASF rule.
Plague is known spell. Cheapest

Warbringer- Warlord Clans. Doomglaive and punch dagger (Killing Blow + d3 wounds. Death Frenzy as known spell. 25 slaves more than cheapest.

Lord Skreech- Doom Glaive (d3 wounds) and Plague Reaper (ASF) choose which to fight with at start of CC phase. Dreaded 13th is known spell. Most Expensive.

I'm guessing they all have the same statline?

 Ozymandias wrote:
They should tell him rats don't have horns either...

Or stand on two legs and wield various balded weapons.

So unrealistic!

 SilverDevilfish wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
OK, have the WD for the Vermin Lords. Not a fantasy player, so I can't interprit this.
Has pictures and rules for all the 5 builds:
All have Daemon, Daemon attacks, L4 Wizard, 5+ ward, LArge Target, ItP, Scurry Away, Terror.

Warpseer has the Doom Glaive (multiple wounds d3) and Scry Orb, which grants +1 Ward or can be thrown to make a I test or die small blast.
Warp Lightning is known spell with rerolls. Cheapest.

Deciever is clan Eshin linked, has Warp Stiletto (AP, poison) and Doomstar (S user, 12" poisoned attacks, quick to fire, Arcing Death)
Skitterleap as known spell. Cheapest

Corruptor- Pestilens linked. Plague Reaper pair- ASF rule.
Plague is known spell. Cheapest

Warbringer- Warlord Clans. Doomglaive and punch dagger (Killing Blow + d3 wounds. Death Frenzy as known spell. 25 slaves more than cheapest.

Lord Skreech- Doom Glaive (d3 wounds) and Plague Reaper (ASF) choose which to fight with at start of CC phase. Dreaded 13th is known spell. Most Expensive.

I'm guessing they all have the same statline?

Warbringer has +1A, Corruptor has Frenzy. Otherwise, they share a statline and special rules, but vary in what spell they know by default (and can reroll failed cast attempts of) and by their weapons loadouts.

Hm one has a 4+ ward save and warp lightning? Yeah.. all the rest can go on the shelf.

Thanks for all this info, MajorWesJanson!

Cheers MajorWes! They all sound pretty cool to me, gonna be a tough choice... Also £55 is cheaper than I was expecting, I was thinking £65 like Nagash.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Paint Splatter: Next Week- brains and brawn

Feels like Thanquol and Boneripper....