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The far left stormfiend has a gatling gun im sure of it.

 Haight wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
What the hell is the thing on the home page where you enter your email address to subscribe? Looks like some armored warpfire thrower.

Yeah I saw that too! I can't tell what it is, but probably something awesome, it is Skaven.

Could that be Boneripper ? He had a gun / cannon once, and it looks like under the helm there is some bone. Maybe Thanquol put some armor on him, and changed out the cannon for a warpfire thrower ?


EDIT: meh, now that i caught up with the rest of the thread, doesn't look likely. Probably something to do with Storm Fiends.

No no, could be. The rumour above says one of Bonerppers options is 4 flame throwers and it looks like that piece of art, so...

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Thanks a lot Warhams for that compilation.

Listening to 'wake the white wolf' when reading that Archaon is now on the move properly. Hype levels rising dangerously.


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I really hope there will be a large section on Lizardmen, that little tidbit has me wondering about the Exodus even more.

With Archaon finally on the move, this better damn well mean that the plastic Greater Daemons are on the way. They're seriously the only gakking monster kit left out in the cold at this point, beyond the oldie King of Bretonnian & the still-missing TK stuff.

They honestly look completely stupid at this point, with everyone else towering over them... Otherwise just re-name the damn things to the Greater Ankle-Bitters, because that's about all they are now.

I was starting to think after seeing the verminlord that perhaps those rumours ages ago about the GD's were simply these models and someone just thought they would be the GD's, especially since the Verminlord could be used for Slaanesh with little work and obviously Ghurk looks like a Great Unclean One.

If there is an Archaon book, there has got to be the GD's then.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I was starting to think after seeing the verminlord that perhaps those rumours ages ago about the GD's were simply these models and someone just thought they would be the GD's,

These models are GD's.

You're just jealous cause we got ours before the more famous 4 GD's.

With all the relatively new Lizard kits, I'm probably out of luck for some End Times ones, aren't I?

Maybe the Slaan have some giant kaijuu- like monster tucked away in the jungles. They'd probably give it a stupid name like Go-Jee-Raw or something.

If Boneripper does end up having two different sets of load outs, I fear I may end up getting an extra- who needs magnets when I can just add more monsters to the pile, right?

Curious as to where the Storm Vermin will end up size- wise. Bigger is always better!

So guys and gals don't know how many have watched the Verminlord teaser video that GW put out, but during the last army shot theres a few interesting bits:


If you look towards the bottom left near the Skaven "S" is a new Greyseer, possibility Thanquol, and behind the Verminlord are armor wearing Rat-Ogres.

Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

Or the amazing large models and awesome fluff path. Just sayin

 Yodhrin wrote:
Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

You know that you're still allowed to pretend to go to imaginary places right?

I'm more curious about the stormfiends being able to shoot guns by themselves at all. Does it look cool? Yes. Does it make sense that you'd want a unit that has both frenzy and stupidity to have a pair of weapons teams? Not really. That said they're infinitely more survivable than our current weapons teams so i'm still probably getting em. I bet the points cost is off the charts though.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I'm more curious about the stormfiends being able to shoot guns by themselves at all. Does it look cool? Yes. Does it make sense that you'd want a unit that has both frenzy and stupidity to have a pair of weapons teams? Not really. That said they're infinitely more survivable than our current weapons teams so i'm still probably getting em. I bet the points cost is off the charts though.

Eh, I somehow doubt they'll be like normal Rat Ogres. Those models in the back look quite a bit bigger than a normal Rat Ogre.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Thanks a lot Warhams for that compilation.

Listening to 'wake the white wolf' when reading that Archaon is now on the move properly. Hype levels rising dangerously.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I really hope there will be a large section on Lizardmen, that little tidbit has me wondering about the Exodus even more.

With Archaon finally on the move, this better damn well mean that the plastic Greater Daemons are on the way. They're seriously the only gakking monster kit left out in the cold at this point, beyond the oldie King of Bretonnian & the still-missing TK stuff.

They honestly look completely stupid at this point, with everyone else towering over them... Otherwise just re-name the damn things to the Greater Ankle-Bitters, because that's about all they are now.

You guys got a bunch of new stuff during your daemons release. The khorne cannon, the khorne motorcycle/lawnmower hybrid (that may have been face-lifted from 'the flintstones') and the crazy slaanesh tractor as well as the plague drones. Don't worry you guys will get something and this time mat ward won't be pasted all over the title of it. I mean archaeon is still a thing and he's got crap. If nothing else he should get some bling. Maybe daemons will get greater daemons as well or better daemon princes.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

You know that you're still allowed to pretend to go to imaginary places right?

Its really not an End Times thread without Yodhrin lamenting how his gaming groups campaigns and the fluff they created are ruined.

I'm just glad skaven get something after 5 or so years. Seriously at this point not only are skaven, beastmen and bretonnia due for army books but 9th edition should be coming out.

All i have to say to that (9th edition) is fix the magic phase. Maybe make it more reliable or a little more controlled. Right now it's such a big random factor it messes with the game on a skilled level to the point where people don't invest too much into it. Maybe that's good though considering how dumb magic was in 8th (or at least life magic). Every time somebody spams 'dwellers' i want to punch them in the face.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I'm just glad skaven get something after 5 or so years. Seriously at this point not only are skaven, beastmen and bretonnia due for army books but 9th edition should be coming out.

All i have to say to that (9th edition) is fix the magic phase. Maybe make it more reliable or a little more controlled. Right now it's such a big random factor it messes with the game on a skilled level to the point where people don't invest too much into it. Maybe that's good though considering how dumb magic was in 8th (or at least life magic). Every time somebody spams 'dwellers' i want to punch them in the face.

The only things that really need to happen with the Magic phase are;
1. Have it properly scale with various pts totals.
12 dice is too much in small games of 1000pts and under, yet it's woefully restrictive once you start hitting 2.4/2.5k and up.

2. Remove the two 'initiative test or die' spells, and replace them with more average stats such as a Str or Ld 'test or die' version, or else a set to-wound roll like Final Trans.
Dwellers is a solid example of a good anti-Deathstar spell. Toughness is a roughly even stat across the board, as most things tend towards the 3-4 range. It's short ranged as well, meaning to cast it, one typically has to risk getting their wizard into a potential combat scenario.
Pit & Purplefun are just plain moronic, as Elves, WoC, Skaven & Slaaneshii Daemons simply laugh at it, while nearly half the remaining armies get massively boned by it.

Initiative tests are better against certain things. Usually the larger and tougher they are the worse initiative they are. This goes for pretty much everything with the exception of warriors of chaos which are unusually high initiative and tough.

Monstrous infantry are usually tough so at least against a monstrous infantry unit initiative tests are good.

Personally i hate dwellers for the fact it can snipe out characters and kill units. Auto-death for failing a test with characters without a look out sir or something is just disgusting.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

You know that you're still allowed to pretend to go to imaginary places right?

I'm sure there's a parallel reality somewhere out there in the multiverse where that sentence remotely addresses my annoyance, but it's not this one.

Marienburg is a ruin. Kislev, Tilea, Estalia, much of Bretonnia, and large chunks of the Empire are gone. Ulthuan has sunk. Karak Kadrin, the impregnable fortress of the Slayers that has never been breached, is now entirely pregnable and breached. And also full of poison.

Now sure, I can pretend none of that has happened, but it has. I don't get to run a follow up to the first part of my politics and intrigue-focused WFRP campaign set in Prague anymore because there is no Prague, just a troll and beast infested ruin, or at least I don't get to run it without somehow timewarping the whole affair into the past or rewriting the entire End Times out of existence. Well great, that's a massive pile of work on top of the massive pile of work it already takes to run a campaign but whatever, it works...until someone new wants to join the group who actually liked the End Times, or who's only experience of WHF is after it and doesn't know all the fluff my own stuff is based on.

Having a common frame of reference for gaming that features a lot of storytelling isn't an optional extra, and outside of your own wee group of pals, the common frame of reference is "what GW says". That's why an advancing story is a bad model, in my view, if your focus as a company is ostensibly encouraging your customers to "forge their own narratives".

If people really disliked the Warhammer World enough that they're happy to see most of the peoples, nations, and locations that made it the Warhammer World wiped out as an excuse to buy a few new-shiny plastic kits and read about Super Saiyan Franz, that's their business, people enjoy what they enjoy. It doesn't mean I have to enjoy it, nor does it mean everyone's only allowed to make happy-happy joy-joy posts.

 nels1031 wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

You know that you're still allowed to pretend to go to imaginary places right?

Its really not an End Times thread without Yodhrin lamenting how his gaming groups campaigns and the fluff they created are ruined.

Oh sod off.

 Yodhrin wrote:


I'm sure there's a parallel reality somewhere out there in the multiverse where that sentence remotely addresses my annoyance, but it's not this one.

Now sure, I can pretend none of that has happened, but it has. I don't get to run a follow up to the first part of my politics and intrigue-focused WFRP campaign set in Prague anymore because there is no Prague, just a troll and beast infested ruin, or at least I don't get to run it without somehow timewarping the whole affair into the past or rewriting the entire End Times out of existence. Well great, that's a massive pile of work on top of the massive pile of work it already takes to run a campaign but whatever, it works...until someone new wants to join the group who actually liked the End Times, or who's only experience of WHF is after it and doesn't know all the fluff my own stuff is based on.

I completely understand this.

But the thing is, you're kinda jumping the shark. The default assumed 'Warhammer Fantasy setting' is still the one before the End Times changes. And regardless, it would be pretty easy to just say "my campaign takes place before the End Times storyline"- I couldn't imagine anyone disagreeing or not understanding you if you said this.

I want note pictures of those armoured rat ogres things! I will probably get a new grey seer model and warlord because those kits are going to come out. Trying to focus on Empire but my 6000 points of skaven could use another 2 or 3 thousand more points.

Dear wallet....prepare to take a hit

I'm going to be cautious and buy just one to start with. I'll expand later, should I find myself playing WHFB more often than I do.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
I want note pictures of those armoured rat ogres things! I will probably get a new grey seer model and warlord because those kits are going to come out. Trying to focus on Empire but my 6000 points of skaven could use another 2 or 3 thousand more points.

Dear wallet....prepare to take a hit

The new grey seer is nice but i figure you could always take the one from the screaming bell kit and use it provided you don't use the bell. According to people you can also use green stuff for it whenever you want him off and on.

To think i got the much crappier looking grey seer in metal. I'm feeling like a chump now.

I may also be wrong but i don't think the grey seer's base is on the same sized base as the other skaven infantry which could be a bit strange seeing he'd have to go off to the side if it's 25x25mm.

As for warlord models i'm doing fine with that one metal dude that was a supplement model for island of blood and using the warlord from island of blood as my BSB chieftain (banner on his back).

Originally i wanted to get a vermin lord but with limited funds and other promising arrivals i may wait and see what these armored rat ogres have. Seriously weapons teams on rat ogres? I may just have to throw down all my money for em. I wonder what the cost will be. I'm guessing somewhere around blightkings and some of the more awesome ogre sized minis (vargheist/crypt horror set?). Then again it could end up costing more. I don't think i'd want to spend more than 60 dollars for 3. We'll see what GW throws out for cost. It'd probably be an insane amount like always.

*Sigh* Dammit GW I was about to get rid of my IoB stuff but now I guess I'll have to keep it with all the pretty-pretty new Skaven stuff.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
*Sigh* Dammit GW I was about to get rid of my IoB stuff but now I guess I'll have to keep it with all the pretty-pretty new Skaven stuff.

For some odd reason i have trouble giving up skaven. It's like i was with my imperial guard. I know that when i switch armies i probably won't go back sadly and then my skaven will be shelved.

I figure after the skaven army book gets re-released i'm probably gonna have 3 good years playing and then just move on to another army (probably vampire counts or even dark eldar/tempestus scions for 40k).

 Yodhrin wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

You know that you're still allowed to pretend to go to imaginary places right?

I'm sure there's a parallel reality somewhere out there in the multiverse where that sentence remotely addresses my annoyance, but it's not this one.

Marienburg is a ruin. Kislev, Tilea, Estalia, much of Bretonnia, and large chunks of the Empire are gone. Ulthuan has sunk. Karak Kadrin, the impregnable fortress of the Slayers that has never been breached, is now entirely pregnable and breached. And also full of poison.

Now sure, I can pretend none of that has happened, but it has. I don't get to run a follow up to the first part of my politics and intrigue-focused WFRP campaign set in Prague anymore because there is no Prague, just a troll and beast infested ruin, or at least I don't get to run it without somehow timewarping the whole affair into the past or rewriting the entire End Times out of existence. Well great, that's a massive pile of work on top of the massive pile of work it already takes to run a campaign but whatever, it works...until someone new wants to join the group who actually liked the End Times, or who's only experience of WHF is after it and doesn't know all the fluff my own stuff is based on.

Having a common frame of reference for gaming that features a lot of storytelling isn't an optional extra, and outside of your own wee group of pals, the common frame of reference is "what GW says". That's why an advancing story is a bad model, in my view, if your focus as a company is ostensibly encouraging your customers to "forge their own narratives".

If people really disliked the Warhammer World enough that they're happy to see most of the peoples, nations, and locations that made it the Warhammer World wiped out as an excuse to buy a few new-shiny plastic kits and read about Super Saiyan Franz, that's their business, people enjoy what they enjoy. It doesn't mean I have to enjoy it, nor does it mean everyone's only allowed to make happy-happy joy-joy posts.

well you know that half the special characters used in-game are like... dead, right? and out of their time zone. You could have a character on one side dacing a character on the other who lived and died a hundred years apart. Somehow it still works.

Like others said, just set your campaign before End Times. Or adapt your campaign around it. There is no prague? Good thing you got out of there in time and are now in Nuln or whatever. No Ulthuan? Man Athel Loren looks fun this time of year, doesn't it?
It really isn't such a big deal. Discuss with your gaming group what to do, and either set all your campaigns before End TImes, or work out how to adapt to it. Ignore End Times completely if you like.

Games workshop doesn't dictate what your gaming group does, your gaming group does.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

You know that you're still allowed to pretend to go to imaginary places right?

I'm sure there's a parallel reality somewhere out there in the multiverse where that sentence remotely addresses my annoyance, but it's not this one.

Marienburg is a ruin. Kislev, Tilea, Estalia, much of Bretonnia, and large chunks of the Empire are gone. Ulthuan has sunk. Karak Kadrin, the impregnable fortress of the Slayers that has never been breached, is now entirely pregnable and breached. And also full of poison.

Now sure, I can pretend none of that has happened, but it has. I don't get to run a follow up to the first part of my politics and intrigue-focused WFRP campaign set in Prague anymore because there is no Prague, just a troll and beast infested ruin, or at least I don't get to run it without somehow timewarping the whole affair into the past or rewriting the entire End Times out of existence. Well great, that's a massive pile of work on top of the massive pile of work it already takes to run a campaign but whatever, it works...until someone new wants to join the group who actually liked the End Times, or who's only experience of WHF is after it and doesn't know all the fluff my own stuff is based on.

Having a common frame of reference for gaming that features a lot of storytelling isn't an optional extra, and outside of your own wee group of pals, the common frame of reference is "what GW says". That's why an advancing story is a bad model, in my view, if your focus as a company is ostensibly encouraging your customers to "forge their own narratives".

If people really disliked the Warhammer World enough that they're happy to see most of the peoples, nations, and locations that made it the Warhammer World wiped out as an excuse to buy a few new-shiny plastic kits and read about Super Saiyan Franz, that's their business, people enjoy what they enjoy. It doesn't mean I have to enjoy it, nor does it mean everyone's only allowed to make happy-happy joy-joy posts.

GM: Hey guys?

Players: Yes, GM?

GM: You know all that End Times stuff that's going on?

Players: Yes...

GM: We're not doing that.

Players: Sounds like a plan.

...and that's all the planning you need to address the End Times in your campaign. You're Welcome.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

Mordheim is set in the Imperial Year 1999 anyhow, ~500 years before the regular WFB timeline, whether End Times would've happened or not. Most human special characters familiar to WFB players (and partly killed off in the End Times) weren't remotely even born yet during Mordheim.

If you've played both Mordheim and WFB (or the respective settings at least), you should be familiar with the concept of taking the setting on at different points in time.

Add to that the more cartoony, "alternative reality of Warhammer World" from Blood Bowl, and it should be clear that there never was just a single "universally shared" Warhammer World.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Welp, looks like we're continuing with the "cool but oversized models, awful awful fluff butchery" path. That's another of my WHFRP/Mordheim campaign settings destroyed.

Mordheim is set in the Imperial Year 1999 anyhow, ~500 years before the regular WFB timeline, whether End Times would've happened or not. Most human special characters familiar to WFB players (and partly killed off in the End Times) weren't remotely even born yet during Mordheim.

If you've played both Mordheim and WFB (or the respective settings at least), you should be familiar with the concept of taking the setting on at different points in time.

Add to that the more cartoony, "alternative reality of Warhammer World" from Blood Bowl, and it should be clear that there never was just a single "universally shared" Warhammer World.

Also, the alternate time line that WHFRP diverged off the main WHFB storyline and the planned divergence that Warhammer Forge was originally going to do. Warhammer has a pretty clear history of official alternate timelines, I really don't get Yohdrin's reluctance to continue doing his(which is what he was already doing, regardless of how well it may have slotted into the "official" events).

And don't even get me started on the fact that there was an entire Gotrek and Felix novel explicitly tied into Storm of Chaos. Y'know, that event that was literally written out of the Warhammer story.

All the verminlord variations are cool and all but I literally see no reason to use anything other than the warp lightning one..

Always 6 shots? A 4+ ward save and he gets the normal D3 wound weapon? Yeah.. the others pretty much have no reason to exist. 4+ ward > whatever random abilities they have.

Im amazed that the one with the 13th spell is +150 pts, that's pretty absurd.

 Kirasu wrote:
All the verminlord variations are cool and all but I literally see no reason to use anything other than the warp lightning one..

Always 6 shots? A 4+ ward save and he gets the normal D3 wound weapon? Yeah.. the others pretty much have no reason to exist. 4+ ward > whatever random abilities they have.

Im amazed that the one with the 13th spell is +150 pts, that's pretty absurd.

Yeah I'm hoping there's something we haven't seen about the big guy, else wise he's pretty crap.