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I kinda love the brain rat. I'm glad whoever green lights these things is working for GW

 Desubot wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
That means:

Spoiler:

that Kroak has finally...Kroaked.

So for "new" Warhammer it appears that Lizardmen and maybe Brets are gone? Who else?

Well lizzy would be in since they are saved IN SPACE!

Guess that means I can dust off all my (very) OOP Space Slann and field them?

Valete,

JohnS

 Hulksmash wrote:
I kinda love the brain rat. I'm glad whoever green lights these things is working for GW

Who run skaventown?
Master blaster run skaventown.

Edit: Whoops, I'm behind the times as the storm fiends are up on GW's site with much better pics! Old news to those of you who were paying attention, I'm sure

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Stormfiends

 pretre wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I kinda love the brain rat. I'm glad whoever green lights these things is working for GW

Who run skaventown?
Master blaster run skaventown.

When I first saw that, I immediately started quoting that...

Glad to see I'm not the only one.

Looks like I'm not the only one who likes the brain rat lol. What better way to protect the little critter than a 9ft slab of death-dealing muscle?

And all you need to do to render all that muscle useless is to get behind it and poke it in the back, apparently.

 Sidstyler wrote:
And all you need to do to render all that muscle useless is to get behind it and poke it in the back, apparently.

Assuming you don't get shanked in the back by his buddies first

 ImAGeek wrote:
'There's no way they'd squat the Lizardmen' clearly people were underestimating how far GW would go...

Humble Gloat.


Also, they aren't gone, they're on a mobile base. Though i will say my optimism levels for what's going to happen with Lizardmen has dropped. Where before i thought it was unthinkable that they'd take one of their most easily defensible and unique IP's and wallpaper them, now I have to admit it's at least possible.

Or who knows if the rumors on WHFB skirmish are true, maybe they are going to take them out of circulation for a year or two only to do a DUN DUN DUN! Guess who's back !? re-release kind of thing.

 Sigvatr wrote:
...how the hell does that even work? Outer space is cold as hell, they'd immediately fall asleep...

Space isn't cold. Being hot or cold is a property of matter and space is vast majority vacuum. In fact, space vessels retaining their heat and overheating the crew inside was a serious issue to overcome for early space travel. Manned vessels are specifically designed to bleed as much heat as possible.

One would assume that these Lizardmen bubbles are designed to retain their heat for the cold-blooded inhabitants until they find an atmosphere where proper heat exchange can occur.

 Haight wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
'There's no way they'd squat the Lizardmen' clearly people were underestimating how far GW would go...

Humble Gloat.


Also, they aren't gone, they're on a mobile base. Though i will say my optimism levels for what's going to happen with Lizardmen has dropped. Where before i thought it was unthinkable that they'd take one of their most easily defensible and unique IP's and wallpaper them, now I have to admit it's at least possible.

Or who knows if the rumors on WHFB skirmish are true, maybe they are going to take them out of circulation for a year or two only to do a DUN DUN DUN! Guess who's back !? re-release kind of thing.

Not a gloat, seeing as I recently bought the Carnosaur kit and was looking at starting Lizardmen. More exasperated at GW, and saying that I'm not really shocked as they'd have to do something crazy to shock me at this stage. Apologies because it was worded a bit gloat-y.

I hope they rerelease them, if they are actually gone now.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Haight wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
'There's no way they'd squat the Lizardmen' clearly people were underestimating how far GW would go...

Humble Gloat.


Also, they aren't gone, they're on a mobile base. Though i will say my optimism levels for what's going to happen with Lizardmen has dropped. Where before i thought it was unthinkable that they'd take one of their most easily defensible and unique IP's and wallpaper them, now I have to admit it's at least possible.

Or who knows if the rumors on WHFB skirmish are true, maybe they are going to take them out of circulation for a year or two only to do a DUN DUN DUN! Guess who's back !? re-release kind of thing.

Not a gloat, seeing as I recently bought the Carnosaur kit and was looking at starting Lizardmen. More exasperated at GW, and saying that I'm not really shocked as they'd have to do something crazy to shock me at this stage. Apologies because it was worded a bit gloat-y.

I hope they rerelease them, if they are actually gone now.

Apologies, i read it with the "i'm not trying to say i told ya so, but I told ya so..." kind of tone. You probably didn't intend it that way.


I just... i dunno. Unless they are planning htem as a future release in bubblehammer. I just don't get this.

Lizardmen sell well (for fantasy). They are a unique, easily defendable IP.

just.... dafuq ? It hits ALL the notes of something they'd want to keep even if moving to bubble-hammer (btw, ogres too... ogres are super unique for this setting, Khan Tribe ravenous fatties who are culturally promiscuous mercenaries ? Sounds pretty friggin' unique to me!).

I just don't get what they're doing.

I didn't intend it that way but it totally does read like that, bad wording on my part.

I agree though. Lizardmen are pretty unique to fantasy, I mean there are Lizardmen in other settings but none quite like Fantasy ones. And like you say, Ogres. Even the Orcs and Goblins of fantasy are relatively unique. It's more the Elves, Dwarves and Humans which are the more generic races. Chaos is pretty much completely a GW thing at this stage, Skaven I haven't really seen anywhere else except Mantic who are clearly pretty much copying GW as much as they can get away with, Undead are generic but how do you do ungeneric undead?

I don't get what they're doing either. But, I'm not shocked, the sheer illogicality of it is pretty much a given with GW of late.

Lizardmen being squatted entirely just reeks of stupidity, easily one of the most interesting races going for Fantasy.

Bet they are only in the bubble until the find a new warm place to live in, probably just on their way to fantasy Africa or Australia to settle down!

Maybe the lizards will ditch the South American style and take up with another culture's trappings?

Retiring them for a bit and having them pop back out of a chaos bubble as part of some narrative campaign seems like something GW would do.

...which means they probably won't then.

I should probably finish my Carnosaur before it heads off to space.

Anyone have definitive info on the formations, etc., .... how much freedom do they give you?
I haven't been able to get my copy yet.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Maybe the lizards will ditch the South American style and take up with another culture's trappings?

Retiring them for a bit and having them pop back out of a chaos bubble as part of some narrative campaign seems like something GW would do.

...which means they probably won't then.

I should probably finish my Carnosaur before it heads off to space.

It means I should get a Mage Priest as I would rather remember one of my favourite armies with a bang rather than a whimper.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Maybe the lizards will ditch the South American style and take up with another culture's trappings?

Retiring them for a bit and having them pop back out of a chaos bubble as part of some narrative campaign seems like something GW would do.

...which means they probably won't then.

I should probably finish my Carnosaur before it heads off to space.

I really like the Central American style they have though. Aztec dinosaurs is such an awesome theme. Would be a shame for it to go.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I didn't intend it that way but it totally does read like that, bad wording on my part.

I agree though. Lizardmen are pretty unique to fantasy, I mean there are Lizardmen in other settings but none quite like Fantasy ones. And like you say, Ogres. Even the Orcs and Goblins of fantasy are relatively unique. It's more the Elves, Dwarves and Humans which are the more generic races. Chaos is pretty much completely a GW thing at this stage, Skaven I haven't really seen anywhere else except Mantic who are clearly pretty much copying GW as much as they can get away with, Undead are generic but how do you do ungeneric undead?

I don't get what they're doing either. But, I'm not shocked, the sheer illogicality of it is pretty much a given with GW of late.

To quote my entire local gaming group.

'Looks like we're sticking to 8th.'

They're squatting what is by far one of the most unique and solid armies for their setting which actually sells well...

I can't see the logic here unless this is some gak that the Hobbit contract leaked in.... No Non Traditional Fantasy Races - you can only have humans, elves, orcs, undead and dragons! Wouldn't suprise me if GW bent over for a contract like that...

If the bubble theory works out then Lizardmen are still around in their magic bubble like the other factions. It looks it's more inline with the rumored fluff changes for 9th than an actual squatting.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I kinda love the brain rat. I'm glad whoever green lights these things is working for GW

Looks like the brain rat is actually some unlucky packmaster hooked up to the Rat Ogre according to the WDW this week.

 Hulksmash wrote:
If the bubble theory works out then Lizardmen are still around in their magic bubble like the other factions. It looks it's more inline with the rumored fluff changes for 9th than an actual squatting.

They killed off the Slann and every single significant Lizardman SC. Unless we see more comedy value Bretonnian 'lols we live again' shenanigans in a forthcoming book it's about as much of a snub as Storm of Chaos was for the Lizards. Basically GW admitting they don't know what to do with this faction and sweeping them under the rug.

Oh hey army that could probably easily teleport an army halfway across the world to deal with that which you are specifically aligned against, perhaps moreso than any other army...let's uh...forget you existed.

Uh, yeah. Those stormfiends looks cool, but has more tech and bionics on them than most 40k units. So go on and tell me how GW isnt making WHFB more high tech or steampunkish, because that seems to be trend here.

 triplegrim wrote:
Uh, yeah. Those stormfiends looks cool, but has more tech and bionics on them than most 40k units. So go on and tell me how GW isnt making WHFB more high tech or steampunkish, because that seems to be trend here.

Skaven have always been Warpunkish - its what they do - I have the Citadel Journels where they first turn up - they have warpfire throwers, gas masks, the works

Dwarfs are and always have been steampunk, empire too, skaven are cyberpunk mixed with steampunk, that's also always been the case

This is true, but have a look at their units from last set. Isnt this a large step in a more-tech direction?

 triplegrim wrote:
This is true, but have a look at their units from last set. Isnt this a large step in a more-tech direction?

Last night, I assembled a pair of Rat Ogres, from in the battalion box. The date on the sprue is 2004. That sprue has bionic parts on one of the heads, a gun arm (even though the rat ogre doesn't shoot at all, but w/e) and a shock-prod. That's all "techish" stuff, from an old kit. Not to mention the Doomwheel (need I say more?) or the weapons teams, Warlock Engineers, Jezzails, Lightning Cannons, and so forth.

I'm pretty new to the fantasy game, but even to me it's very obvious that this has been a thing for a long time, with regards to the Skaven. It's part of their armies shtick

Ok. I guess my view is the minority one then.

I think the cables, the drills for arms, the arm-mounted ratling guns, the telepathic little rat thing on the stormfiends back and their robot legs takes this much further.

I am quite sure most classic fantasy elements, like the high elves, lizardmen, dwarves, halflings, bretonnians and more will be purged, and we will be left with a quais-sci-fi game, where the different bubbles of reality that the factions floats around in, just represents planetary worlds in sci fi.

Other Skaven models in the past have had robotic parts, cables etc. Ratling guns and Warpstone drills already exist, they just happen to be on the arms of the new rat ogres. Look at Ikit Claw, who's a few years old now. These models don't go any further than any previous Skaven models have. Also there's literally one robotic leg in the kit, so it has as many robotic limbs as the HPA, which is 4/5 years old now. This isn't a new thing with the Skaven.

 triplegrim wrote:
Ok. I guess my view is the minority one then.

I think the cables, the drills for arms, the arm-mounted ratling guns, the telepathic little rat thing on the stormfiends back and their robot legs takes this much further.

I am quite sure most classic fantasy elements, like the high elves, lizardmen, dwarves, halflings, bretonnians and more will be purged, and we will be left with a quais-sci-fi game, where the different bubbles of reality that the factions floats around in, just represents planetary worlds in sci fi.

This is most probably how it's going to go.