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Looks like these are from Exterminatus.

So who wants to play an eight troop Necron army with reroll ones for Reanimation Protocol for troops?

I also do like the new Overlord with the scythe.

Those new formations are solid. I'm a little curious about Zandrekh now, as they seem to have rolled his adaptive tactics rule into a formation benefit.

Reroll warlord traits? You can do that anyway no?

Only if you take a detachment that allows you to do so

Being from Exterminatus which is a supplement for the campaign, if you are not playing normal non-Exterminatus 40K games will these formations or relics be specifically allowed?

This would be like taking an apocalypse/Escalation formation in normal 40K where all players would need in advance to agree to using an alternate set of rules.

Or is this somehow specifically sited as being appropriate for general 40K?


So far, the relics are looking good, the warlord traits are all useful.
The formations do appear to be large point wise.

I can see myself finding a use for the C'Tan/Cryptek formation.
Taking a StormTEK, you can get lightning fields to help with CC.
Taking the VOD may be for moving your formation around to let it shoot and avoid getting into CC rather than for getting into CC quickly.
Although the C'Tan is at I4 so


With a 4++ save on the C'Tan, this will be subject to being shot down due to weight of fire.

Holy Cow! The Relic gives +1 T to the C'Tan. Its a S8 T8 MC.
The Relic prevents the C'Tan or the Crypteks (because you use the Toughness of the C'Tan in the formation) from being harmed by Str 4 weapons at all.
Eat that Tau / SMs. Shoot all you want with those tiny bolters.

Now if only the C'Tan had some awesome powers to take that didn't cost an absolute arm/leg.

Looking good so far.

Solar Thermasite with the Chariot's 3++...if it stays...what.

I think it is very likely that a) CCB is a separate entry from Overlords in the new codex, with different wargear available, and b) it has significantly different rules from what it has now. I wouldn't waste my time thinking about combos that assume it stays like it is now.

Genuinely hoping the command barge is both cheaper and less durable whilst having the same offensive output.

At the moment it's either broken or worthless to a Necron player depending entirely on meta and playstyle/rest of list.

"Broken" in that it's functionally invincible to shooting, "Worthless" in that it's got terrible damage output for points value and is trivially easy to tarpit if it maneuvers aggressively to make the most of it's sweeps.

With absolutely no middle ground.

Balancing it to a point where it's still hard to kill but not to excess and priced where it's not a ~300 point sink would be for the best, really.

I'm stoked about those warlord traits. Best set I've seen so far!

 docdoom77 wrote:
I'm stoked about those warlord traits. Best set I've seen so far!

Agreed...these iumages have changed me from generally pessimistic to cautiously optimistic about the way Necrons may go.

It will be fun to have Warlord Traits, artifacts, and formations to play with at least. And Reanimation Protocols are still a thing, which I was worried would just be turned into FNP.

I'm really glad to see Crypteks being used as I was kind of worried they would be forgotten about. They really add a nice dash of techno-wizardry that can make for some really unique stuff.

Gunther wrote:
Being from Exterminatus which is a supplement for the campaign, if you are not playing normal non-Exterminatus 40K games will these formations or relics be specifically allowed?

Yes. The way it's worked so far is that Detachments and Formations from campaigns are perfectly usable outside of them. See Stormclaw, new Dark Vengeance, and Shield of Baal: Exterminatus. They all have formations for the characters and models therein, set up for the campaign but designed to be used with their appropriate armies.

This would be like taking an apocalypse/Escalation formation in normal 40K where all players would need in advance to agree to using an alternate set of rules.

Or is this somehow specifically sited as being appropriate for general 40K?

I mean, it depends on what your group's like. The rules both in the campaigns/supplements and the BRB itself clearly state that alternate detachments and formations (and Lords of War, for that matter) are part of regular 40k. Obviously Superheavies are something you want to clear with your friends, since they have the capability of being devestating if unprepared, but alternate detachments and formations are just the same units with slightly different bonuses and more restrictions.

Then again, some groups don't even allow allies, so I guess it depends on how you all are playing 7th edition.

With a 4++ save on the C'Tan, this will be subject to being shot down due to weight of fire.

Holy Cow! The Relic gives +1 T to the C'Tan. Its a S8 T8 MC.
The Relic prevents the C'Tan or the Crypteks (because you use the Toughness of the C'Tan in the formation) from being harmed by Str 4 weapons at all.
Eat that Tau / SMs. Shoot all you want with those tiny bolters.

Sadly, Tau don't care. Tau basic guns are S5, so they're still wounding on 6s, just as they are with a T7 C'Tan. The difference is that with Veil, you don't have to worry about walking across the board, you can just jump your big scary monster right next to the enemy's army in one go.

Now if only the C'Tan had some awesome powers to take that didn't cost an absolute arm/leg.

Looking good so far.

I still think that if you're running a shooty list, Thunderbolt C'Tan + 2 Destructeks could be a great way to go.

Conclave of The Burning One
C'tan Shard - Thunderbolt, Swarm of Spirit Dust
Destructek - Solar Pulse
Destructek - The God Chain

Hang out near-ish your gunline, 2 36" S8 AP2 shots and a 24" S9 AP 2 shot will be scary to any MC or vehicle that wants to close the distance, and T8 FNP [3+ Cover if you're in Ruins] is tougher than most heavy support lines to crack. Solar Pulse isn't too necessary for the squad (since they already have Stealth), but helps the rest of your army and can screw over your opponent if you need to (since it's still Solar Pulse and therefore fantastic).

 NecronLord3 wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

The 3++ will stay. IC will not.

Most likely this... Santa Logan is specifically allowed the invuln save but is also specifically not allowed to join units.

Do you guys realize that when a CCB lord joins a unit it really sucks for the CCB lord? No Look Out Sir and no assigning hits to the chariot profile. Really bad for the CCB lord.

Well since the rules that the CCB can't LoS are made up, I don't see that being an issue.

Have you actually read the Look Out Sir rules? It's pretty clear that you can not Look Out Sir for a bargelord.





So since it's patently obvious that the bargeLord loses Look Out Sir and also loses the ability to tank shots on his vehicles when he joins units, its generally a very bad idea for him to join units.

Would be cool if Lychgaurd gave an Overlord auto-LoS save, similar to what Tyrant Guard give a Hive Tyrant.

Wait, I am wishlisiting now...

Gunther wrote:
Being from Exterminatus which is a supplement for the campaign, if you are not playing normal non-Exterminatus 40K games will these formations or relics be specifically allowed?
This would be like taking an apocalypse/Escalation formation in normal 40K where all players would need in advance to agree to using an alternate set of rules.
Or is this somehow specifically sited as being appropriate for general 40K?

It's a supplement for Necrons.
You could compare it to 'Waaagh! Ghzakull'.
When you play with Necrons (Battle-forged) you can pick Detachments or Formations from the Codex and/or Supplement.
And unless they change the rule, if you take a Detachment from this Supplement-Book you can take these Relics and Traits.

Now if only the C'Tan had some awesome powers to take that didn't cost an absolute arm/leg.
Looking good so far.

It looks like they are pushing us to play more C'tan Shards.
So that probably means they get decent abilities, etc, in the Codex next month.
That's a really nice thing, because even now I am thinking of taking a C'tan despite his current 'lameness'.

Gunther wrote:
Being from Exterminatus which is a supplement for the campaign, if you are not playing normal non-Exterminatus 40K games will these formations or relics be specifically allowed?

This would be like taking an apocalypse/Escalation formation in normal 40K where all players would need in advance to agree to using an alternate set of rules.

Or is this somehow specifically sited as being appropriate for general 40K?

7th had been described as "Do-it-yourself 40k"... meaning that a pre-game discussion with your opponent is very important in most settings. In Tournaments, that pre-game discussion is the tournament packet that you both received earlier.

Most people that I know and talk with online either don't mind or enjoy formations and multiple detachments. Exterminatus is part of a campaign supplement for regular 40k... and all of the formations are 40k legal (as are Escalation and Stronghold Assault). The Warzone books, however are designed for Apocalypse and aren't 40k legal unless stamped somehow (or you have that all important pre-game discussion).

When do you guys think some solid Codex rumors will come down? It's only about a month away right?

I hope the Warlord traits are as good as those Exterminatus ones! I don't fancy laying down $75 for a campaign I won't play, but....

This stuff is really giving me hope, and getting me excited for the codex!

I'm still cautiously pessimistic.
The lower my hype, the better my chance to not be disappointed.

Also, OP, can you add the latest images to the top post so everyone doesn't have to go searching for them page by page?

How much you guys wanna bet these warlord traits and relics are going to be more powerful than what we will get with the actual new necron codex?

Just another marketing tool for Games Workshop to make people buy their godawfully expensive campaign books people otherwise wouldnt have bought because, hey, its just a campaign book and part 3 at that.

 Sir Arun wrote:
How much you guys wanna bet these warlord traits and relics are going to be more powerful than what we will get with the actual new necron codex?

Just another marketing tool for Games Workshop to make people buy their godawfully expensive campaign books people otherwise wouldnt have bought because, hey, its just a campaign book and part 3 at that.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Those Warlord traits were freakin' amazing.

I don't know how much we can read into the codex based on what was released in Exterminatus... but it sure is tempting!

Warscythes dropped to S +2 AP2? likely.
Staff of Light is still there.

Crypteks, Overlords, Anrakyr the Traveler, C'Tan Shards, Warriors, Immortals, Ghost Arks, Doom Scythes, Triarch Praetorians, Triarch Stalker, Wraiths and Deathmarks are all mentioned... and are likely to return in the new codex (not like we expected any of those to be removed..)

There continues to be a theme of necron Overlords/Overlord Characters giving Necron units USR's. This could be both interesting and powerful on the tabletop.

/Speculation

This is just an educated guess based on recent release trends and what little has been leaked, so don't jump down my throat but....

I am betting Necron lords and crypteks get folded into one entry called cryptek and it eats an HQ slot. I mean, with the ability to give them a warscythe and hopefully also an orb they basically remove the need for two entries.

I say it eats an HQ because that is the new trend, one for one heamonculi, sanguinary priests, pain boys... take your pick. It becomes a none issue with formations that let you field more anyway if your lucky enough to get them.

I'd also wager the Semp weave goes bye bye for standard fair. My guess is it's another relic in order to prevent it from being stacked with things like the Thermite.



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That C'tan shard formation is AWESOME btw. It's like the Necron version of DE's Dark Artisan which is amazing in game. Majority T8 if using the 10pt auto take relic, then if veil remains the same you can bounce into their backfield turn 1!

That said so much hinges on the new book, heck for all we know veil is a relic and C'tan shards have been completely reworked.

I almost want to say regular warscythes are going to loose something since that scythe relic is so silly compared to the current one.

That relic is the new warscythe is my guess.

 pretre wrote:
That relic is the new warscythe is my guess.

Really hoping that the Precision Strikes are the only difference between the relic and the new warscythes.

If warscythes drop to S +1 but keep AP2 and Armorbane, I think I'll be fine with it.

If warscythes drop to AP3... we are going to have problems GW.

 King Pariah wrote:

 pretre wrote:
That relic is the new warscythe is my guess.

Really hoping that the Precision Strikes are the only difference between the relic and the new warscythes.

If warscythes drop to S +1 but keep AP2 and Armorbane, I think I'll be fine with it.

If warscythes drop to AP3... we are going to have problems GW.

Its probably going to be AP3 with +2 ST and no armorbane.

Take your bets folks take your bets.

My bet on Warscythe:

S +2, AP2 Melee, Armorbane, Two-Handed...basically the same exact thing as the Edge of Eternity, except for that added Executioner.

95% sure...they do that alot with these artifacts lists...take a weapon, and just tack on 1 special rule. IIRC, the only weapon artifacts in the Tyranid codex are normal weapons where everythihng is the same except 1 special rule added.

 jasper76 wrote:
My bet on Warscythe:

S +2, AP2 Melee, Armorbane, Two-Handed...basically the same exact thing as the Edge of Eternity, except for that added Executioner.

95% sure...they do that alot with these artifacts...take a weapon, and just tack on 1 special rule. IIRC, the only weapon artidacts in the Tyranid codex are normal weapons where everythihng is the same except 1 special rule added.

Agreed.

So the formation lets you re roll your attempt at seizing. Combine that with Imotekh for a 75% chance of first turn steal age. At least till the new books out anyways