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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Or Tyranid players will start using your Transcendant C'tan as a control for comparisons with Hierodules. To be fair, with your mandatory upgrades you come out 150 or so points more expensive than a Hierodule...

But your base stats alone are infinitely better.

(Seriously, Tyranids pay for a T6 critter with a 3+ armour save, I3 and at best WS 4 depending on if Barbed or Scythed. You get WS 9, S9 and T9 off the dot with an Invuln save. Seriously.)

FWIW, Hierodules are S10 T8. They're basically Wraithknights at double the cost. Still not as good as a C'tan of course, but way better than T6.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Is Anrakyr not unique, the Stormlord, Orikon, Trayzan, Zandrek, Obyron. All stylistically similar but very unique builds.

You must be joking... With the exception of Orikon the others all look extremely similar, even to the standard overlord models.

No they don't. Orikon isn't even a lord he's a Cryptek.

OK
A: You lumped Orikon in with them, not me.
B: Yes, in your context they do all look very alike. If your going to say the new lord is not, with his one of a kind weapon and hat, I have no idea what would appease you. They are all just metal skeletons, their is only so much they can do to models that literally have a a mere handful of options for weapons.

Reposting this question. Hey maybe I am blind or the list just doesn't list it but with the god shackle and the other relics there isn't the normal "a model can only have one relic/ only one of each relic per army" or am i missing it and I'm just blind?

If they aren't then you aren't looking at just t8 anymore.

Oberron wrote:
Reposting this question. Hey maybe I am blind or the list just doesn't list it but with the god shackle and the other relics there isn't the normal "a model can only have one relic/ only one of each relic per army" or am i missing it and I'm just blind?

If they aren't then you aren't looking at just t8 anymore.

The way it's written in that spoiler, isolated to that info alone, yes you can have multiples. Though keep in mind, the latest 7th edition trend has kept relic list items unique. This may also be the case depending on our new codex. So until then, go nuts with s10/t10 c'tans. Just don't put the relic on the crypteks in the formation...(protip)

I see Necrons getting their new Codex with book 3 of Shield of Baal or Directly After the Campaign is finished. Exterminatus does have a lot of Necron love both in the Fluff and in the formations. I feel the Warlord Traits are by far the best I have seen. Relics are ok. Also book 3 Devourer will no question be a lot of Necron love.

Fireraven wrote:
I see Necrons getting their new Codex with book 3 of Shield of Baal or Directly After the Campaign is finished. Exterminatus does have a lot of Necron love both in the Fluff and in the formations. I feel the Warlord Traits are by far the best I have seen. Relics are ok. Also book 3 Devourer will no question be a lot of Necron love.

You only think the relics are ok? The God Shackle potentially makes the C'Tan worth it and the +1 str, re-roll 1s relic will be in almost every necron army.

So what's the new info?

Warmonger2757 wrote:
You only think the relics are ok? The God Shackle potentially makes the C'Tan worth it and the +1 str, re-roll 1s relic will be in almost every necron army.

It might make a bad unit less worse in an army that cannot really support it and already has good lists?
It has the Necron-problem: Quite good, but no place for it.

Hopefully that will change with the new Codex.

I fail to see how the C'Tan Shard would suddenly arise from trash tier. So, the most overcosted unit in the entire codex that can offer nothing another unit would not be able to offer at a lower price, now has +1S / +1T? Uhm?

 Sigvatr wrote:
I fail to see how the C'Tan Shard would suddenly arise from trash tier. So, the most overcosted unit in the entire codex that can offer nothing another unit would not be able to offer at a lower price, now has +1S / +1T? Uhm?

Does it make Necrons suddenly beat Tau and Eldar? No. Does it make them better? Yes, small arms fire not longer threatens them since s4 can't wound T8. This is why they were so good in the old dex, they've gotten more mobile since a cryptek can be upgraded with VoD and you can use the Crypteks to tank with 3+/3++ saves. However, they still will die easily to poison weapons, but they went from being unusable to at least considered to be taken. Transcendent C'tan is still the better option and should be allowed in tournaments.

Ahhh, so GW changed the wound tables back to "Hey, this actually makes sense!" in 7th just as in 4th? Sounds good. Need GC though.

Not sure how the meta changed, but the TC'tan used to be hilariously broken and should not even be considered to be used in a competitive environment.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Ahhh, so GW changed the wound tables back to "Hey, this actually makes sense!" in 7th just as in 4th? Sounds good. Need GC though.

Not sure how the meta changed, but the TC'tan used to be hilariously broken and should not even be considered to be used in a competitive environment.

Yeah along with Wave Serpents, Ad. Lance, and summoning. As long as those are in play, the T. C'tan is fair game.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Ahhh, so GW changed the wound tables back to "Hey, this actually makes sense!" in 7th just as in 4th? Sounds good. Need GC though.

Not sure how the meta changed, but the TC'tan used to be hilariously broken and should not even be considered to be used in a competitive environment.

Yeah along with Wave Serpents, Ad. Lance, and summoning. As long as those are in play, the T. C'tan is fair game.

I can fight those things. You can't fight a tran C'tan and win!

 Wilson wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Ahhh, so GW changed the wound tables back to "Hey, this actually makes sense!" in 7th just as in 4th? Sounds good. Need GC though.

Not sure how the meta changed, but the TC'tan used to be hilariously broken and should not even be considered to be used in a competitive environment.

Yeah along with Wave Serpents, Ad. Lance, and summoning. As long as those are in play, the T. C'tan is fair game.

I can fight those things. You can't fight a tran C'tan and win!

Why can't you?

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Ahhh, so GW changed the wound tables back to "Hey, this actually makes sense!" in 7th just as in 4th? Sounds good. Need GC though.

Not sure how the meta changed, but the TC'tan used to be hilariously broken and should not even be considered to be used in a competitive environment.

Yeah along with Wave Serpents, Ad. Lance, and summoning. As long as those are in play, the T. C'tan is fair game.

Sadly, most TOs don't agree with that assessment. An annoying holdover from when the TC'tan was the be all end all model on the table, but honestly it's not anymore.

It appears that you can put 3 God Shackles into a list to make the shard s10 and t10. Definitely pumps it up to Imperial Knight point/power level

When did the T C'tan rules change?

They haven't, but there's a decent chance they will next month if he's included in the codex.

 RivenSkull wrote:
When did the T C'tan rules change?

D weapon nerf.

col_impact wrote:
It appears that you can put 3 God Shackles into a list to make the shard s10 and t10. Definitely pumps it up to Imperial Knight point/power level

I expect the FAQ to come out in short time. Obviously, RAI, Relics should be 1 per army.

But yes, atm, you can have a T10, S10, teleporting C'Tan shard with FNP and an extra shooting attack from either a Stormtek or a Destructek. Do not expect this to last too long, and while it does, don't use it if you want to keep friends. This is as good as a Transcendent C'Tan in all but shooting prowess and Stomp.

Requizen wrote:

col_impact wrote:
It appears that you can put 3 God Shackles into a list to make the shard s10 and t10. Definitely pumps it up to Imperial Knight point/power level

I expect the FAQ to come out in short time. Obviously, RAI, Relics should be 1 per army.

But yes, atm, you can have a T10, S10, teleporting C'Tan shard with FNP and an extra shooting attack from either a Stormtek or a Destructek. Do not expect this to last too long, and while it does, don't use it if you want to keep friends. This is as good as a Transcendent C'Tan in all but shooting prowess and Stomp.

Well you can't upgrade the formation crypteks to Harbingers, so no putting a Veiltek or Stormtek or Destructek in that formation. The crypteks have to be part of a royal court to upgrade to Harbingers per codex and the formation crypteks aren't in a royal court. So currently it isn't broken RAW.

col_impact wrote:

Requizen wrote:

col_impact wrote:
It appears that you can put 3 God Shackles into a list to make the shard s10 and t10. Definitely pumps it up to Imperial Knight point/power level

I expect the FAQ to come out in short time. Obviously, RAI, Relics should be 1 per army.

But yes, atm, you can have a T10, S10, teleporting C'Tan shard with FNP and an extra shooting attack from either a Stormtek or a Destructek. Do not expect this to last too long, and while it does, don't use it if you want to keep friends. This is as good as a Transcendent C'Tan in all but shooting prowess and Stomp.

Well you can't upgrade the formation crypteks to Harbingers, so no putting a Veiltek or Stormtek or Destructek in that formation. The crypteks have to be part of a royal court to upgrade to Harbingers per codex and the formation crypteks aren't in a royal court. So currently it isn't broken RAW.

That's a good point. Please give codex because right now this is a fraking mess.

 skoffs wrote:
They haven't, but there's a decent chance they will next month if he's included in the codex.

Not going to happen without invalidating Escalation as a core rulebook, which right now it is. I expect a cut and paste of the T. C'tan(if included at all) from escalation, just like the Stompa. GW needs to sell those plastic Vaults.

I think you guys are bananas. First, what gives you the notion that crypteks in the formation won't be able to upgrade to harbingers? This formation breaks all the existing rules for crypteks, why not upgrades too?

And even a s/t10 c'tans nowhere near the potency of imp knights. Nor is this formation comparable to a watered down Transcendent.

D Str weapons are a huge contrast. That difference alone disqualifes a shard from the heavy weight class. Similar to a Wraithknight, sure. Dreadknight, ok. Riptide, hmmmmm....why not. But you need to put things into perspective. This formation, with an ideal set, is still 100pts more than the aforementioned. The package is the price of a imp knight with no d attack and an ablative USR bundle. I won't even touch on the TC exaggeration.....

 Nyghoma wrote:
I think you guys are bananas. First, what gives you the notion that crypteks in the formation won't be able to upgrade to harbingers? This formation breaks all the existing rules for crypteks, why not upgrades too?

And even a s/t10 c'tans nowhere near the potency of imp knights. Nor is this formation comparable to a watered down Transcendent.

D Str weapons are a huge contrast. That difference alone disqualifes a shard from the heavy weight class. Similar to a Wraithknight, sure. Dreadknight, ok. Riptide, hmmmmm....why not. But you need to put things into perspective. This formation, with an ideal set, is still 100pts more than the aforementioned. The package is the price of a imp knight with no d attack and an ablative USR bundle. I won't even touch on the TC exaggeration.....

Bananas? No, we just read the rules.

Necron Codex


The crypteks attached to the C'tan Shard in the formation are not part of any Royal Court so they can't be upgraded to a Harbinger.

col_impact wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:
I think you guys are bananas. First, what gives you the notion that crypteks in the formation won't be able to upgrade to harbingers? This formation breaks all the existing rules for crypteks, why not upgrades too?

And even a s/t10 c'tans nowhere near the potency of imp knights. Nor is this formation comparable to a watered down Transcendent.

D Str weapons are a huge contrast. That difference alone disqualifes a shard from the heavy weight class. Similar to a Wraithknight, sure. Dreadknight, ok. Riptide, hmmmmm....why not. But you need to put things into perspective. This formation, with an ideal set, is still 100pts more than the aforementioned. The package is the price of a imp knight with no d attack and an ablative USR bundle. I won't even touch on the TC exaggeration.....

Bananas? No, we just read the rules.

Necron Codex

Spoiler:

Any number of Crypteks that are in a Royal Court can be upgraded to a single, specific type of Harbinger.

The crypteks attached to the C'tan Shard in the formation are not part of any Royal Court so they can't be upgraded to a Harbinger.

Yeah I know the rule. You just chose to ignore my point in the very next sentence of that post. Read something more than just the rules.. For example the rest of what I said before you make smart-alek snaps

 Nyghoma wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:
I think you guys are bananas. First, what gives you the notion that crypteks in the formation won't be able to upgrade to harbingers? This formation breaks all the existing rules for crypteks, why not upgrades too?

And even a s/t10 c'tans nowhere near the potency of imp knights. Nor is this formation comparable to a watered down Transcendent.

D Str weapons are a huge contrast. That difference alone disqualifes a shard from the heavy weight class. Similar to a Wraithknight, sure. Dreadknight, ok. Riptide, hmmmmm....why not. But you need to put things into perspective. This formation, with an ideal set, is still 100pts more than the aforementioned. The package is the price of a imp knight with no d attack and an ablative USR bundle. I won't even touch on the TC exaggeration.....

Bananas? No, we just read the rules.

Necron Codex

Spoiler:

Any number of Crypteks that are in a Royal Court can be upgraded to a single, specific type of Harbinger.

The crypteks attached to the C'tan Shard in the formation are not part of any Royal Court so they can't be upgraded to a Harbinger.

Yeah I know the rule. You just chose to ignore my point in the very next sentence of that post. Read something more than just the rules.. For example the rest of what I said before you make smart-alek snaps

What's your point? Is your point that we no longer have to follow the rules?

I am just pointing out how you play it RAW until we get FAQ or additional rules or the new codex

Look here are the facts. Right now the formation functions on its own, with no permission to take upgrades not otherwise allowed in the current codex. Being a Harbinger isn't allowed.

My suggestion though is don't play Necrons until the new book comes out. Things will be different. Do t get in arguments that will be pointless in a month.

Enjoy the holidays, Necrons are coming...

Sorry I wasn't trying to be combatative. Text is mute of tone. I'm from NY and they're just expressions=p.

Back on topic. I get that idea. For me, I don't think "no frills" cryptek chaperones were in the spirit of this formations design. Again, it's all conjecture until they release the floodgates.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
They haven't, but there's a decent chance they will next month if he's included in the codex.

Not going to happen without invalidating Escalation as a core rulebook, which right now it is. I expect a cut and paste of the T. C'tan(if included at all) from escalation, just like the Stompa. GW needs to sell those plastic Vaults.

I have never seen anyone use the original model for the T-C'tan