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adamsouza wrote: When you say flying base, do you mean big oval one like the Scythes come one, 32mm like jump pack troops, or 50/60mm like Canopteck Spyders ?
Oh, I guess Skimmer bases is better. Barge/Ark/Destroyer base.
Thats a Tomb Blade/Jet Bike base right?
It might be. The one in the box I got was the same my Destroyers came on. They might have used the Jetbike one for the website.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
skoffs wrote: "Oh well, I guess GW feels they've made enough money selling Necron models and have decided they don't want any more now, if the stuff in this book is any indication." - Me, when I retire my army if the codex turns out the way we're fearing it will
Yeah. I have a number of boxes that I have yet to open that I plan of selling should the codex get gutted. Will I be a bit sad? Yeah, but I really don't want to suddenly be put back into the situation of the 3rd edition codex in power levels.
Now's probably as good a time as ever to ask a question I've had about the Newcrons for some time.
What exactly IS the scope of their new character? I still don't know. I know that some of them behave like the oldcrons and want to exterminate all life so I guess the meat of the question is what are the nicer Necrons like, and what happens to the places they conquer? Be specific, I understand they're all different.
Quarterdime wrote: Now's probably as good a time as ever to ask a question I've had about the Newcrons for some time.
What exactly IS the scope of their new character? I still don't know. I know that some of them behave like the oldcrons and want to exterminate all life so I guess the meat of the question is what are the nicer Necrons like, and what happens to the places they conquer? Be specific, I understand they're all different.
Some Necrons just want their Tomb Worlds back. They'll give the inhabitants time to evacuate the planet, and then they'll wake up the Tomb that's slumbering underneath it. Of course, saying "get off the planet or we'll kill all of you" isn't exactly nice, just more so than "you're on our planet so we're going to kill you". They don't care about other races so much as they tolerate them as part of the Galaxy that they think they own. It's not so much a "good" or "evil" thing.
Quarterdime wrote: Now's probably as good a time as ever to ask a question I've had about the Newcrons for some time.
What exactly IS the scope of their new character? I still don't know. I know that some of them behave like the oldcrons and want to exterminate all life so I guess the meat of the question is what are the nicer Necrons like, and what happens to the places they conquer? Be specific, I understand they're all different.
Some Necrons just want their Tomb Worlds back. They'll give the inhabitants time to evacuate the planet, and then they'll wake up the Tomb that's slumbering underneath it. Of course, saying "get off the planet or we'll kill all of you" isn't exactly nice, just more so than "you're on our planet so we're going to kill you". They don't care about other races so much as they tolerate them as part of the Galaxy that they think they own. It's not so much a "good" or "evil" thing.
So basically just like Humans in real life. Go anywhere and think we own everything on the planet and don't give a damn about the life that already lived there.
Quarterdime wrote: Now's probably as good a time as ever to ask a question I've had about the Newcrons for some time.
What exactly IS the scope of their new character? I still don't know. I know that some of them behave like the oldcrons and want to exterminate all life so I guess the meat of the question is what are the nicer Necrons like, and what happens to the places they conquer? Be specific, I understand they're all different.
Some Necrons just want their Tomb Worlds back. They'll give the inhabitants time to evacuate the planet, and then they'll wake up the Tomb that's slumbering underneath it. Of course, saying "get off the planet or we'll kill all of you" isn't exactly nice, just more so than "you're on our planet so we're going to kill you". They don't care about other races so much as they tolerate them as part of the Galaxy that they think they own. It's not so much a "good" or "evil" thing.
So basically just like Humans in real life. Go anywhere and think we own everything on the planet and don't give a damn about the life that already lived there.
Man the human race is evil.
Yeah, they're basically metal humans (or Eldar) now. The fluff claims they have no emotions, but they have expressed rage, jealousy, amusement, etc. Basic GW having contradicting fluff all over the place. But there are Necron Worlds that have regressed to basic machines, more or less Oldcron fluff.
The big thing during Shield of Baal is that the Silent King genuinely wants the human race to survive, even if he doesn't care about the individuals. He wants to preserve the universe - it's more or less the M.O. of the Necrons now, to maintain the universe as it once they retake their remaining Tomb Worlds. Or to return to flesh and blood bodies, we're not quite sure.
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~A grammatically correct sentence can have multiple, valid interpretations.
Arguing over the facts is the lowest form of debate.
Small flight base isn't provided with the model. The flight stand is obviously for the Vault/Obleisk only. The only legal way per tourneys like Adepticon is to field it on the large flight base(stem of your choice).
I am not familiar with all the abilities of a Trans C'tan, but if he stacks up power wise to the big boys in other armies, the bigger base is entirely reasonable.
The larger skimmer base (Arks/Barges/Destroyers) is slightly larger than Terminator bases, slightly smaller than Monstrous Creature bases, iirc. Don't have them in front of me at the moment.
Either way, it should realistically be larger. Heck, the whole model should be larger, given the relative power level. It can stand toe to toe with things like Revenant Titans or Hierodules and kick their butts, but it's only slightly smaller than a Daemon Prince or so. I feel like it would be much more widely accepted if it wasn't small enough to hide behind a Bastion.
If it gets to big I'll would be more difficult for it to be in the tesseract vault imo.
I fluff justify it as the T c'tan is a lot more dense because it is so many shards put back together.
I know this needs to be taken with more salt then the dead sea but i saw someone claim on 4chan that jan/feb is going to be necron/sister of battle santuary 101 type set up. But..... I've looked everywhere and haven't found bunk. Big time wishlister i'm gonna write it off as.
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It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case.
Don't these C'tans live on suns?
If I remember my physics right, they have to be 'small' to survive stuff like that.
NecronLord3 wrote: Small flight base isn't provided with the model. The flight stand is obviously for the Vault/Obleisk only. The only legal way per tourneys like Adepticon is to field it on the large flight base(stem of your choice).
Kangodo wrote: Don't these C'tans live on suns? If I remember my physics right, they have to be 'small' to survive stuff like that.
NecronLord3 wrote: Small flight base isn't provided with the model. The flight stand is obviously for the Vault/Obleisk only. The only legal way per tourneys like Adepticon is to field it on the large flight base(stem of your choice).
It was provided with my model.
They can live everywhere. The C'tan feed on suns as they are, as themselves, pure energy. Keep in mind that C'tan aren't corporeal beings, they are pure energy. They were given their Necrodermis by the Necrontyr because they needed their Gods to be corporeal leaders in the war. So technically, their Necrodermis would be destroyed when going into a sun, yet the C'tan itself cannot be destroyed or killed by doing so.
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Kangodo wrote: Don't these C'tans live on suns?
If I remember my physics right, they have to be 'small' to survive stuff like that.
NecronLord3 wrote: Small flight base isn't provided with the model. The flight stand is obviously for the Vault/Obleisk only. The only legal way per tourneys like Adepticon is to field it on the large flight base(stem of your choice).
It was provided with my model.
They can live everywhere. The C'tan feed on suns as they are, as themselves, pure energy. Keep in mind that C'tan aren't corporeal beings, they are pure energy. They were given their Necrodermis by the Necrontyr because they needed their Gods to be corporeal leaders in the war. So technically, their Necrodermis would be destroyed when going into a sun, yet the C'tan itself cannot be destroyed or killed by doing so.
Given how tough their Necrodermis is supposed to be I'm not at all sure merely dipping into the sun would destroy it, not to mention the fact that they're powerful reality warpers, meaning a C'tan could simply will the area around itself to be all nice and cozy (or made of cheese for that matter).
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Given how tough their Necrodermis is supposed to be I'm not at all sure merely dipping into the sun would destroy it, not to mention the fact that they're powerful reality warpers, meaning a C'tan could simply will the area around itself to be all nice and cozy (or made of cheese for that matter).
The Necrodermis is a weird piece of fluff. On the one hand, it's destructible by regular weapons such as lascannons, but on the other hand, it contains pure energy and, in case of the C'tan, the most powerful beings in the corporeal universe. So I'd say that a sun would definitely melt the Necrodermis.
BUUUUUT you do have an excellent point - given their power, a C'Tan could warp the environment just around the Necrodermis to avoid it being destroyed, yet still be able to harness the sun's energy. Very good point, exalted.
It was smarter if we did this two years ago from the start, but we couldn't predict Formations like we have now.
I gave a warning in the BS thread, but again: Sorry, I had no choice.
perrsyu wrote: It was smarter if we did this two years ago from the start, but we couldn't predict Formations like we have now.
I gave a warning in the BS thread, but again: Sorry, I had no choice.
perrsyu wrote: It was smarter if we did this two years ago from the start, but we couldn't predict Formations like we have now.
I gave a warning in the BS thread, but again: Sorry, I had no choice.
Kangodo wrote: Don't these C'tans live on suns?
If I remember my physics right, they have to be 'small' to survive stuff like that.
NecronLord3 wrote: Small flight base isn't provided with the model. The flight stand is obviously for the Vault/Obleisk only. The only legal way per tourneys like Adepticon is to field it on the large flight base(stem of your choice).
It was provided with my model.
You purchased the Tesseract vault or Bitz?
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Requizen wrote: The larger skimmer base (Arks/Barges/Destroyers) is slightly larger than Terminator bases, slightly smaller than Monstrous Creature bases, iirc. Don't have them in front of me at the moment.
Either way, it should realistically be larger. Heck, the whole model should be larger, given the relative power level. It can stand toe to toe with things like Revenant Titans or Hierodules and kick their butts, but it's only slightly smaller than a Daemon Prince or so. I feel like it would be much more widely accepted if it wasn't small enough to hide behind a Bastion.
So you are saying an aircraft carrier is more powerful than a nuclear bomb, since it's bigger?
Automatically Appended Next Post: The C'tan is nearly identical in size to the Forge world Gargantuan GUO. Just because inferior races create mechanical, bio mechanical or organic monstrosities that pale in comparison to a god like entity that can will reality around it, does not justify the size comparison one way or the other. Or think of it as the Dr. Manhattan of the 40k universe, if it so chooses it can be large, small, or operate as many small autonomous entires.
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A giant Transcendent C'tan wouldn't make much sense, however. They can freely change their form at will, so being this small is a good compromise between a skyscraper-ish model and a tiny, untargettable dot.
I'm using a Doctor Manhattan Model that stands as tall as a Knight Titan. Not only does it look cool, it neatly avoids any arguments about me modelling for advantage with it. I'm also going to rebase it to the oval flyer base.
That being said, I've also made sure my terrain collection includes lots of terrain tall enough to give a monolith/Knight Titan sized model cover
Anpu-adom wrote: The Silent King's Faction (In Word of the Silent King) put it this way:
Humans Create
Necrons Preserve
Tyranids Consume
He seems to want to preserve the sentient races.
In the short story "the word of the silent king" it seems like he wants to preserve humanity to have something to rule over once the necrons come to power. Seems legit
Kangodo wrote: Don't these C'tans live on suns?
If I remember my physics right, they have to be 'small' to survive stuff like that.
NecronLord3 wrote: Small flight base isn't provided with the model. The flight stand is obviously for the Vault/Obleisk only. The only legal way per tourneys like Adepticon is to field it on the large flight base(stem of your choice).
It was provided with my model.
You purchased the Tesseract vault or Bitz?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Requizen wrote: The larger skimmer base (Arks/Barges/Destroyers) is slightly larger than Terminator bases, slightly smaller than Monstrous Creature bases, iirc. Don't have them in front of me at the moment.
Either way, it should realistically be larger. Heck, the whole model should be larger, given the relative power level. It can stand toe to toe with things like Revenant Titans or Hierodules and kick their butts, but it's only slightly smaller than a Daemon Prince or so. I feel like it would be much more widely accepted if it wasn't small enough to hide behind a Bastion.
So you are saying an aircraft carrier is more powerful than a nuclear bomb, since it's bigger?
Automatically Appended Next Post: The C'tan is nearly identical in size to the Forge world Gargantuan GUO. Just because inferior races create mechanical, bio mechanical or organic monstrosities that pale in comparison to a god like entity that can will reality around it, does not justify the size comparison one way or the other. Or think of it as the Dr. Manhattan of the 40k universe, if it so chooses it can be large, small, or operate as many small autonomous entires.
Sorry but I just have to say those two are not even CLOSE to identical in size. I can only hope you were being sarcastic.
Kangodo wrote: Don't these C'tans live on suns?
If I remember my physics right, they have to be 'small' to survive stuff like that.
NecronLord3 wrote: Small flight base isn't provided with the model. The flight stand is obviously for the Vault/Obleisk only. The only legal way per tourneys like Adepticon is to field it on the large flight base(stem of your choice).
It was provided with my model.
You purchased the Tesseract vault or Bitz?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Requizen wrote: The larger skimmer base (Arks/Barges/Destroyers) is slightly larger than Terminator bases, slightly smaller than Monstrous Creature bases, iirc. Don't have them in front of me at the moment.
Either way, it should realistically be larger. Heck, the whole model should be larger, given the relative power level. It can stand toe to toe with things like Revenant Titans or Hierodules and kick their butts, but it's only slightly smaller than a Daemon Prince or so. I feel like it would be much more widely accepted if it wasn't small enough to hide behind a Bastion.
So you are saying an aircraft carrier is more powerful than a nuclear bomb, since it's bigger?
Automatically Appended Next Post: The C'tan is nearly identical in size to the Forge world Gargantuan GUO. Just because inferior races create mechanical, bio mechanical or organic monstrosities that pale in comparison to a god like entity that can will reality around it, does not justify the size comparison one way or the other. Or think of it as the Dr. Manhattan of the 40k universe, if it so chooses it can be large, small, or operate as many small autonomous entires.
Sorry but I just have to say those two are not even CLOSE to identical in size. I can only hope you were being sarcastic.
I concur. The C'tan is smaller and trimmer. And, the base size means something. Less things can get in base to base contact with the C'tan.
The size doesn't matter from a fluff perspective, and is very cool in fact. But in game, it really matters. First, for your opponents, they expect a massive thing to stomp all over their armies, but it's kind of annoying to them when this model that's the size of a Dreadnaught does the same. Second, as mentioned, the T-C'tan can hide behind a tree. A Revnant Titan, Imperial Knight, Harridan, or Baneblade generally cannot. Being unable to target the most powerful model in a book because they put a Monolith in front of it is somewhat problematic.
I don't see why. The Vindicare Assasin, for example, the old one, was about the best anti-vehicle unit out there and just killed everything with a single shot. Yet it was a single infantry model. Should it have been a giant MC?
I don't see how model size is supposed to reflect a model's actual strength on the battlefield. By the same logic, a C'Tan shard should be the size of a regular infantry unit, Necron Destroyers should be the size of Tau Drones, Sentry Pylons should be the size of regular Pylons etc. etc.
Sigvatr wrote: I don't see why. The Vindicare Assasin, for example, the old one, was about the best anti-vehicle unit out there and just killed everything with a single shot. Yet it was a single infantry model. Should it have been a giant MC?
I don't see how model size is supposed to reflect a model's actual strength on the battlefield. By the same logic, a C'Tan shard should be the size of a regular infantry unit, Necron Destroyers should be the size of Tau Drones, Sentry Pylons should be the size of regular Pylons etc. etc.
"Size equals strength" is a dead end.
Holy False comparison batman.
A vindicare is easily killed and requires LOS with a heavy weapon to pop a tank. A TC can just bounce over an obstacle and one shot something before an opponent can react whatsoever AND is tougher then 2 dollar steak.
At any rate, I wasn't saying the TC was too small to be a GMC but was calling into question how someone can keep a straight face while they tell me the model is nearly identical in size to a forge world GUO. Hilarious. Again, maybe he was being sarcastic.
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