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NecronLord3 wrote: Nurglings are $5 a base, and scarabs go for less than that on the secondary market.
Isn't that only if you build them as per the instructions in the box? Isn't it far more economical to spread the bits out to make 6 bases (at least), in the same way you needn't put 5 Rippers or 4 Scarabs on a base?
Never seen or heard of anyone using 1,2, and 3 scarabs on a base for keeping track of wounds. I have enough scarabs lying around I could probably make a few.
The $5 Nurgling thing was me. I knew they were $25 a box, but I thought they were 5 bases included, and not 3. So they are are closer to $8.33 a base, and I in no way want to see scarabs go that route.
Anpu-adom wrote: I've looked at the pics of the warriors released with Exterminatus and I'm convinced that it's not a conversion. Things are just a bit too perfect. Being that the arms, guns (minus the front bit) and scarabs are on one sprue while the legs, chest front and back, and heads are on the other. They could release a box with half recut/new sprues (with a suitable price increase).
More likely, they'll recut the warrior sprues... take out some of the empty space on them. Then the'll be able to sell 5 warriors for the price of 12.
I know what you mean about them being pretty darn perfect... but keep in mind that these models are being converted and assembled by the in house GW studio. These are hobbyists who are GOOD at what they do. They get paid to do this 40+ hours a week. If they couldn't make the models look perfect, they shouldn't be working at GW.
I'm inclined to believe that these are conversions. The conversion method was actually in the White Dwarf, which lends a HUGE amount of believability. If it was an entirely new sprue, why not update the rest of the model and not just the little gun bit. It's important to remember that while the arms/guns appear to be on one sprue while the legs appear to be on another, the reality is that it's one big sprue that is "snapped" in half to fit in the box. If they update one bit, they'd be likely to update the rest. One possible option is that the models remain the way they are with the green rods being replaced with a "plastic rods sprue" and that's what we're seeing.
All of the " new" necron models seen in Exterminus are in fact conversions. I am familiar with all the parts. The warrior rifles are from the ghost/doomsday ark gauss flyer arrays. The Edge of Eternity's (wielded by Zarathusa the Ineffable) blade is cut from a vehicle control counsel. The other gem-like part of the staff between the blade and shaft, along with the identical piece on the belt buckle is a bit used on a good number of Necron vehicles. The tabard is just cut from an Overlord's cape. The head piece addition is another vehicle bit.
Btw, the c'tan that's fighting the Hierophant in the book is referred to as a shard, even though it's a Transcendent model. The model is without flying stem, having its feet touch the base.
Do you own the book? In the high def images of the printed book you can clearly see that the head and arms are brand new. Also, although possible to convert, the rods are not the same as those from the immortal kit.
I do indeed own the book, as well as extensive necron conversions. If they are new models (I hope), then they are partial recastings of existing molds.
FYI the new fluff portrays our near and dear necrons in a gilded light. A stark contrast from Damnos. Between the Magnavitrum and the raw power displayed by the C'tan, the necron edit has me very hopeful for the new codex if GW intends to reflect anything written in Exterminus.
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Anpu-adom wrote: I've looked at the pics of the warriors released with Exterminatus and I'm convinced that it's not a conversion. Things are just a bit too perfect. Being that the arms, guns (minus the front bit) and scarabs are on one sprue while the legs, chest front and back, and heads are on the other. They could release a box with half recut/new sprues (with a suitable price increase).
More likely, they'll recut the warrior sprues... take out some of the empty space on them. Then the'll be able to sell 5 warriors for the price of 12.
I know what you mean about them being pretty darn perfect... but keep in mind that these models are being converted and assembled by the in house GW studio. These are hobbyists who are GOOD at what they do. They get paid to do this 40+ hours a week. If they couldn't make the models look perfect, they shouldn't be working at GW.
I'm inclined to believe that these are conversions. The conversion method was actually in the White Dwarf, which lends a HUGE amount of believability. If it was an entirely new sprue, why not update the rest of the model and not just the little gun bit. It's important to remember that while the arms/guns appear to be on one sprue while the legs appear to be on another, the reality is that it's one big sprue that is "snapped" in half to fit in the box. If they update one bit, they'd be likely to update the rest. One possible option is that the models remain the way they are with the green rods being replaced with a "plastic rods sprue" and that's what we're seeing.
All of the " new" necron models seen in Exterminus are in fact conversions. I am familiar with all the parts. The warrior rifles are from the ghost/doomsday ark gauss flyer arrays. The Edge of Eternity's (wielded by Zarathusa the Ineffable) blade is cut from a vehicle control counsel. The other gem-like part of the staff between the blade and shaft, along with the identical piece on the belt buckle is a bit used on a good number of Necron vehicles. The tabard is just cut from an Overlord's cape. The head piece addition is another vehicle bit.
Btw, the c'tan that's fighting the Hierophant in the book is referred to as a shard, even though it's a Transcendent model. The model is without flying stem, having its feet touch the base.
Do you own the book? In the high def images of the printed book you can clearly see that the head and arms are brand new. Also, although possible to convert, the rods are not the same as those from the immortal kit.
More likely than not these are all new models.
The White Dwarf article on the new campaign with BA and Necrons show's that they are kit bashed / conversions and the article with images have been posted before.
Couldn't find the english version but this looks like a german WD showing that the orange necrons in the new campaign books are conversions.
Nyghoma wrote: FYI the new fluff portrays our near and dear necrons in a gilded light. A stark contrast from Damnos.
I do hope they keep this "there are countless Tomb Worlds, and each has its own distinct personality" thing going.
There can be proud and arrogant Necrons.
And cold nihilistic Necrons.
And crazy Necrons.
And good Necrons.
And evil Necrons.
And Necrons who still worship C'tan.
And Necrons who are nothing but drones for their SkyNet Master Control Program.
I am okay with all of these possibilities.
In fact, having them this way makes them one of the most personality diverse armies in the game.
Anpu-adom wrote: I've looked at the pics of the warriors released with Exterminatus and I'm convinced that it's not a conversion. Things are just a bit too perfect. Being that the arms, guns (minus the front bit) and scarabs are on one sprue while the legs, chest front and back, and heads are on the other. They could release a box with half recut/new sprues (with a suitable price increase). More likely, they'll recut the warrior sprues... take out some of the empty space on them. Then the'll be able to sell 5 warriors for the price of 12.
I know what you mean about them being pretty darn perfect... but keep in mind that these models are being converted and assembled by the in house GW studio. These are hobbyists who are GOOD at what they do. They get paid to do this 40+ hours a week. If they couldn't make the models look perfect, they shouldn't be working at GW.
I'm inclined to believe that these are conversions. The conversion method was actually in the White Dwarf, which lends a HUGE amount of believability. If it was an entirely new sprue, why not update the rest of the model and not just the little gun bit. It's important to remember that while the arms/guns appear to be on one sprue while the legs appear to be on another, the reality is that it's one big sprue that is "snapped" in half to fit in the box. If they update one bit, they'd be likely to update the rest. One possible option is that the models remain the way they are with the green rods being replaced with a "plastic rods sprue" and that's what we're seeing.
All of the " new" necron models seen in Exterminus are in fact conversions. I am familiar with all the parts. The warrior rifles are from the ghost/doomsday ark gauss flyer arrays. The Edge of Eternity's (wielded by Zarathusa the Ineffable) blade is cut from a vehicle control counsel. The other gem-like part of the staff between the blade and shaft, along with the identical piece on the belt buckle is a bit used on a good number of Necron vehicles. The tabard is just cut from an Overlord's cape. The head piece addition is another vehicle bit.
Btw, the c'tan that's fighting the Hierophant in the book is referred to as a shard, even though it's a Transcendent model. The model is without flying stem, having its feet touch the base.
Do you own the book? In the high def images of the printed book you can clearly see that the head and arms are brand new. Also, although possible to convert, the rods are not the same as those from the immortal kit.
More likely than not these are all new models.
The White Dwarf article on the new campaign with BA and Necrons show's that they are kit bashed / conversions and the article with images have been posted before.
Couldn't find the english version but this looks like a german WD showing that the orange necrons in the new campaign books are conversions.
Yes... I've seen all of those pictures (I have the White Dwarf)... but I suspect subterfuge and a Dire Avenger-ing. Does anyone really expect Warriors to be the only basic troop box that make more than the minimum squad? I hope that doesn't happen, but I wouldn't be surprised when it does.
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5$ on GW being lazy as usual and reworking the Death Ray while not reworking the Focused Death Ray and it thus remaining the most overpowered unit in the Necron army.
It ain't that bad. Fragile platform for the amount of attention it draws to itself, so you need to play smart to even get it to fire to maximum effect once before someone retaliates. Firing right across the board it'll only hit a little, so that's more area denial than it's full potential. Deep striking it when it can't fire for a turn is a terrible idea.
And yes, there's that one Death Star brutal alpha strike trick... Which costs about 1000 points, so if you don't win the fight right there, you've lost and most tournament organisers/store owners rule that a unit needs to pick the same origin point and direction.
Hideously powerful weapon? Absolutely, but it takes effort to get the most out of.
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NecronLord3 wrote: Nurglings are $5 a base, and scarabs go for less than that on the secondary market.
Isn't that only if you build them as per the instructions in the box? Isn't it far more economical to spread the bits out to make 6 bases (at least), in the same way you needn't put 5 Rippers or 4 Scarabs on a base?
You do realize that not only do they look really weird that way, but they have body parts that cross over between the two sections?
Sigvatr wrote: Yep, as I said. GW will be too lazy to fix it. Mark my words.
Because it's a FW-rule.
They don't bother with the rules from each other, just like Malakim from the BA can still take a Honour Guard ("A what?", says the Codex.)
Though it's quite lazy, the least they could do is have a single intern go over the new Codices and compare it with the FW-entries and make a FAQ.
Sigvatr wrote: Yep, as I said. GW will be too lazy to fix it. Mark my words.
Because it's a FW-rule.
They don't bother with the rules from each other, just like Malakim from the BA can still take a Honour Guard ("A what?", says the Codex.)
Though it's quite lazy, the least they could do is have a single intern go over the new Codices and compare it with the FW-entries and make a FAQ.
I think Sigvatr just wants the Focused death-ray in the standard codex.
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Sigvatr wrote: Yep, as I said. GW will be too lazy to fix it. Mark my words.
Because it's a FW-rule.
They don't bother with the rules from each other, just like Malakim from the BA can still take a Honour Guard ("A what?", says the Codex.)
Though it's quite lazy, the least they could do is have a single intern go over the new Codices and compare it with the FW-entries and make a FAQ.
FWisGW. It's the same company. The lazy bunch has not even released a simple FAQ.
Anpu-adom wrote: I've looked at the pics of the warriors released with Exterminatus and I'm convinced that it's not a conversion. Things are just a bit too perfect. Being that the arms, guns (minus the front bit) and scarabs are on one sprue while the legs, chest front and back, and heads are on the other. They could release a box with half recut/new sprues (with a suitable price increase).
More likely, they'll recut the warrior sprues... take out some of the empty space on them. Then the'll be able to sell 5 warriors for the price of 12.
I know what you mean about them being pretty darn perfect... but keep in mind that these models are being converted and assembled by the in house GW studio. These are hobbyists who are GOOD at what they do. They get paid to do this 40+ hours a week. If they couldn't make the models look perfect, they shouldn't be working at GW.
I'm inclined to believe that these are conversions. The conversion method was actually in the White Dwarf, which lends a HUGE amount of believability. If it was an entirely new sprue, why not update the rest of the model and not just the little gun bit. It's important to remember that while the arms/guns appear to be on one sprue while the legs appear to be on another, the reality is that it's one big sprue that is "snapped" in half to fit in the box. If they update one bit, they'd be likely to update the rest. One possible option is that the models remain the way they are with the green rods being replaced with a "plastic rods sprue" and that's what we're seeing.
All of the " new" necron models seen in Exterminus are in fact conversions. I am familiar with all the parts. The warrior rifles are from the ghost/doomsday ark gauss flyer arrays. The Edge of Eternity's (wielded by Zarathusa the Ineffable) blade is cut from a vehicle control counsel. The other gem-like part of the staff between the blade and shaft, along with the identical piece on the belt buckle is a bit used on a good number of Necron vehicles. The tabard is just cut from an Overlord's cape. The head piece addition is another vehicle bit.
Btw, the c'tan that's fighting the Hierophant in the book is referred to as a shard, even though it's a Transcendent model. The model is without flying stem, having its feet touch the base.
Do you own the book? In the high def images of the printed book you can clearly see that the head and arms are brand new. Also, although possible to convert, the rods are not the same as those from the immortal kit.
More likely than not these are all new models.
The White Dwarf article on the new campaign with BA and Necrons show's that they are kit bashed / conversions and the article with images have been posted before.
Couldn't find the english version but this looks like a german WD showing that the orange necrons in the new campaign books are conversions.
Everyone who doesn't replace the weird new gun parts with green plastic rods should feel bad. I mean, Necrons without green plastic rods? Dayum!
On the new codex: I highly doubt that Destroyers get a much needed buff. GW knows that most players still have some of them lying around at home, same as Monoliths, and wouldn't make money if buffing those. I'd wager that FO get a buff along with Lychguard / TP, the IShouldNotBeAModelDesigner-Jetbikes and maybe the Ghost Ark and the IShouldNotWriteRules-day Ark.
inb4 nerf for Destroyers.
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Hey, that is offensive!
Over half my Necron Warriors have red rods in their guns, nothing wrong with that.
Praetorians and Destroyers are probably the least bought models, so I except a lot of Formations that are strong and require them.
It's what they did with BA-Vanguard Veterans.
Game Workshop hears the tears of players.
Marine players, that is.
Therefore Necron Destroyers will now cost 60 points and gauss cannons will be AP 4. Heavy Destroyers will be +40pts and heavy guass cannons will now have Get's Hot (can't have filthy Xenos with Lascannon equivalents that are as reliable!)
Also Wraiths will now be 50pts, have a 4+ armour save and no invulnerable save, be Str 4 and no longer have rending.
All other AP 1/2/3 weapons will be AP 4 and cost 10-30pts more.
Brilliant!
In all seriousness, though, I really hope the Necron codex isn't bland as hell (even though I know it will be) and I hope Tomb Blades/Destroyers/C'Tan/Stalkers/DoomArks are playable...
I'd love to make a necron army with a buff/debuff C'tan, Zhandrekh, Destroyers, 2 Stalkers and Tomb Blades and DoomArks and not be laughed off the table...
I'd be very unlikely to play against someone trying to do a sentry star, because it is an absurd combo.
I'm just saying: Even that is all or nothing. It's an attempt to win on turn one.
If it's legal, why would you refuse to play against it? It's very beatable all-eggs-in-one-basket combo.
Same reason I'd be hesitant to go against a Screamerstar or one of those Eldar power builds I keep hearing about.
Mind you, I probably wouldn't recognise the Eldar one if I saw it. Not a very Space Elfy meta round these parts for whatever reason. I've played against Dark Eldar exactly once and Craftworld never.
Sigvatr wrote: Everyone who doesn't replace the weird new gun parts with green plastic rods should feel bad. I mean, Necrons without green plastic rods? Dayum!
I can't resist.
My win rate while having my arms and legs tied behind by back while blindfolded and stuffed in a safe that is submerged underwater:
100%
•Night Scythes will be nerfed and be reboxed. The reboxed Night Scythe will cost $80.
•Annihilation Barges will be nerfed and be reboxed. The reboxed Annihilation Barge will cost $50.
•Warriors will be 5 to a box with 1 scarab swarm. The price will remain the same.
•The Codex will be $50, an $50 supplement will be availible day one, and th Codex will contain unplayable units (Sun Shark)
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