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 angelofvengeance wrote:
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Oh definitely! you're better off buying the physical book and scanning it for your tablet/phone than buying the ebook...

 Henker-Kind wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I like all the quick reference stuff Plus it's all there in the cloud so I don't have to fill shelves with books. And I get to harvest all the nice artwork for backgrounds on my tablet and pc .
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Just a little question from a non I-User:

When it is in the cloud, what is the legal situation, is it yours or just lent, if you buy it once, can you download it again, is it downloaded to your harddisk as a pdf ro so? Because I smell some strange development in digital ownership and clouds in general?

It is yours and you can put it on any device that you have authorised on your account. If you buy it once, thats it. No re-purchasing. It just stays in the cloud. The format is .ibooks(super fancy edition or .epub if from the iBook store. The fancy version only works on iPads. I think it works in .mobi though if you buy the digital version from Black Library (clarification needed there). If bought from Black Library you can put it on whichever device takes your fancy. No authorised crap but there is a noticeable difference in quality between the enhanced iBooks version and eBook version.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I like all the quick reference stuff Plus it's all there in the cloud so I don't have to fill shelves with books. And I get to harvest all the nice artwork for backgrounds on my tablet and pc .
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Just a little question from a non I-User:

When it is in the cloud, what is the legal situation, is it yours or just lent, if you buy it once, can you download it again, is it downloaded to your harddisk as a pdf ro so? Because I smell some strange development in digital ownership and clouds in general?

It is yours and you can put it on any device that you have authorised on your account. If you buy it once, thats it. No re-purchasing. It just stays in the cloud. The format is .ibooks(super fancy edition or .epub if from the iBook store. The fancy version only works on iPads. I think it works in .mobi though if you buy the digital version from Black Library (clarification needed there). If bought from Black Library you can put it on whichever device takes your fancy. No authorised crap but there is a noticeable difference in quality between the iBooks version and eBook version.

Nah its ePUB or the ibook format, mobi isnt supported...

 Henker-Kind wrote:
Ok one more reply:

baneblade was a bad example let us say warhound titan that is his power level anyway...and the T-C'tan with the new destroyer weapon rules and players not taking the same power twice isn't OP and he also dies quite easily in an apoc environment.

I still think that there was some C'tan mobbing going around within the tourney scene, just because frontline gaming led the way with pointing out how Op the T-C'tan was: I think they were wrong.
And a price reduction isn't calming if it is then overpriced and with random shooting attacks. I still hope the apoc variant will be made viable per faq. I am just a fan of the C'Tan man

As long as it is apocalypse only, I don't care then. Go ahead and do whatever you want in apocalypse.

The warhound Titan took a nerf when they nerfed destroyer weapons, as its best options for weapons were (and still are) turbo lasers (no, the c'tan didn't get hurt as bad by the d nerf, because hellstorm still lets you disregard cover). It's also not available on eBay for 50-60 bucks if you get a deal. I'd expect to see one warhound in one imperial/chaos players army at a tournament, if any. Transcendent c'tans got around like you wouldn't believe. It's still a cheese bucket unit, however, and would expect the warhound to be as such.

I also can't hide a warhound behind a bastion. It also dies horribly to a pod filled with Meltaguns, where a current transcendent c'tan would laugh it off. I'm even willing to argue that the c'tan beats out the warhound in terms of capability (before next Saturday, of course).

You are still get a s8 t7 monstrous creature, the only non-psychic power user to get (multiple!) d-weapons on a non super heavy/lord of war. And hey, maybe with the mephrit dynasty, you'll be able to bump it back to t8, at least. You know, the toughness level greater than a great unclean one, the manifest will of a god known for it s resiliency and toughness.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:
Ok one more reply:

baneblade was a bad example let us say warhound titan that is his power level anyway...and the T-C'tan with the new destroyer weapon rules and players not taking the same power twice isn't OP and he also dies quite easily in an apoc environment.

I still think that there was some C'tan mobbing going around within the tourney scene, just because frontline gaming led the way with pointing out how Op the T-C'tan was: I think they were wrong.
And a price reduction isn't calming if it is then overpriced and with random shooting attacks. I still hope the apoc variant will be made viable per faq. I am just a fan of the C'Tan man

As long as it is apocalypse only, I don't care then. Go ahead and do whatever you want in apocalypse.

The warhound Titan took a nerf when they nerfed destroyer weapons, as its best options for weapons were (and still are) turbo lasers (no, the c'tan didn't get hurt as bad by the d nerf, because hellstorm still lets you disregard cover). It's also not available on eBay for 50-60 bucks if you get a deal. I'd expect to see one warhound in one imperial/chaos players army at a tournament, if any. Transcendent c'tans got around like you wouldn't believe. It's still a cheese bucket unit, however, and would expect the warhound to be as such.

I also can't hide a warhound behind a bastion. It also dies horribly to a pod filled with Meltaguns, where a current transcendent c'tan would laugh it off. I'm even willing to argue that the c'tan beats out the warhound in terms of capability (before next Saturday, of course).

You are still get a s8 t7 monstrous creature, the only non-psychic power user to get (multiple!) d-weapons on a non super heavy/lord of war. And hey, maybe with the mephrit dynasty, you'll be able to bump it back to t8, at least. You know, the toughness level greater than a great unclean one, the manifest will of a god known for it s resiliency and toughness.

To be honest they've completely removed the Transcendent C'tan from the game and replaced it with what is effectively the Shard of the Burning One. Which is fine if they'd been a little more honest about it instead of introducing a new unit with the old name.

 Br00tal_Mclovin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I like all the quick reference stuff Plus it's all there in the cloud so I don't have to fill shelves with books. And I get to harvest all the nice artwork for backgrounds on my tablet and pc .
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Just a little question from a non I-User:

When it is in the cloud, what is the legal situation, is it yours or just lent, if you buy it once, can you download it again, is it downloaded to your harddisk as a pdf ro so? Because I smell some strange development in digital ownership and clouds in general?

It is yours and you can put it on any device that you have authorised on your account. If you buy it once, thats it. No re-purchasing. It just stays in the cloud. The format is .ibooks(super fancy edition or .epub if from the iBook store. The fancy version only works on iPads. I think it works in .mobi though if you buy the digital version from Black Library (clarification needed there). If bought from Black Library you can put it on whichever device takes your fancy. No authorised crap but there is a noticeable difference in quality between the iBooks version and eBook version.

Nah its ePUB or the ibook format, mobi isnt supported...

If you use a halfway decent app to manage your eBooks (I use the freely available Calibre, which is available for Windows, OS X and Linux... i.e. everything), it will automatically convert from ePub to Mobi if your device requires it. If an eBook is available in ePub format, it is effectively also available in Mobi format as they are trivial to convert between.

I have an iPad and a Nook. I tend to purchase the eBook versions since they take up significantly less space than the iBooks versions do. If you're looking to carry ALL the rules around with you, the eBooks are better.

 Br00tal_Mclovin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Oh definitely! you're better off buying the physical book and scanning it for your tablet/phone than buying the ebook...

I'd say the exact opposite: The ebooks are just the same content on a plain white background, whilst the "Enhanced" editions are full of scrolling bits and pop ups and mandatory viewing in portrait format that serve exactly no purpose beyond making it harder to redistribute.

Kriswall wrote:

 Br00tal_Mclovin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I like all the quick reference stuff Plus it's all there in the cloud so I don't have to fill shelves with books. And I get to harvest all the nice artwork for backgrounds on my tablet and pc .
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Just a little question from a non I-User:

When it is in the cloud, what is the legal situation, is it yours or just lent, if you buy it once, can you download it again, is it downloaded to your harddisk as a pdf ro so? Because I smell some strange development in digital ownership and clouds in general?

It is yours and you can put it on any device that you have authorised on your account. If you buy it once, thats it. No re-purchasing. It just stays in the cloud. The format is .ibooks(super fancy edition or .epub if from the iBook store. The fancy version only works on iPads. I think it works in .mobi though if you buy the digital version from Black Library (clarification needed there). If bought from Black Library you can put it on whichever device takes your fancy. No authorised crap but there is a noticeable difference in quality between the iBooks version and eBook version.

Nah its ePUB or the ibook format, mobi isnt supported...

If you use a halfway decent app to manage your eBooks (I use the freely available Calibre, which is available for Windows, OS X and Linux... i.e. everything), it will automatically convert from ePub to Mobi if your device requires it. If an eBook is available in ePub format, it is effectively also available in Mobi format as they are trivial to convert between.

I have an iPad and a Nook. I tend to purchase the eBook versions since they take up significantly less space than the iBooks versions do. If you're looking to carry ALL the rules around with you, the eBooks are better.

Ohh storage wise sure they are better, but i just convert everything to ePUB and stick it on google drive and have the stuff that's for me, usually codex, dataslates, etc on my ipad, and if i need anything else just open the ebooks from google drive rather than having everything on the device.. not that ive anywhere near filled my 64GB ipad yet

changemod wrote:

 Br00tal_Mclovin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Oh definitely! you're better off buying the physical book and scanning it for your tablet/phone than buying the ebook...

I'd say the exact opposite: The ebooks are just the same content on a plain white background, whilst the "Enhanced" editions are full of scrolling bits and pop ups and mandatory viewing in portrait format that serve exactly no purpose beyond making it harder to redistribute.

But...but... those extra bits are cool the links allow quick navigation and the built-in glossary is very handy, we can all have our opinions to be sure, i just feel the enhanced versions are better, all the ebooks look terrible to me...

From GW new Necron codex description:

Also included are new warlord traits, Necron wargear, 6 Powers of the C’tan psychic powers, and 6 Tactical Objectives specifically for the Necrons

So are the C'Tans getting psychic powers?

AbyssalisCuriositas wrote:
From GW new Necron codex description:

Also included are new warlord traits, Necron wargear, 6 Powers of the C’tan psychic powers, and 6 Tactical Objectives specifically for the Necrons

So are the C'Tans getting psychic powers?

No, they just copied and pasted something.

So the only new model is a single unipose character with no modelling options for $28, is that correct?

 Ouze wrote:
So the only new model is a single unipose character with no modelling options for $28, is that correct?

Correct.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
So the only new model is a single unipose character with no modelling options for $28, is that correct?

Correct.

We might get a lead bleacher spray!

Ffyllotek wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
So the only new model is a single unipose character with no modelling options for $28, is that correct?

Correct.

We might get a lead bleacher spray!

If we're good...

I mean, I get that we didn't really need much, but a plastic C'tan kit would've been cool, plastic Flayed Ones, resculpted warriors, maybe a Royal Court kit (or a clampack Cryptek at least) would've been appreciated. It doesn't feel like a codex release should.

Ffyllotek wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
So the only new model is a single unipose character with no modelling options for $28, is that correct?

Correct.

We might get a lead bleacher spray!

It took me a few minutes of reading this over and over to realize it was a typo and you meant "belcher." Lol. I kept trying to figure out what bleacher spray was.

Well the Grey Knights got diddly except cards and a codex. Funny how they're BOTH Ward-dexes lol

Ffyllotek wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
So the only new model is a single unipose character with no modelling options for $28, is that correct?

Correct.

We might get a lead bleacher spray!

...

I think that might excite me more than new models, honestly. Takes the long winded part of the painting out of the way (relentlessly silvering everything) and gets me on to the fun part.

Everything I'm reading sounds good but the change to Living metal is brutal to our vehicle survival. I'm hoping the vehicles affected come with a point drop.

The rumours of tesla strength drop is also worrying (far more so than loss of the tesla rule itself.)

chnmmr wrote:
Everything I'm reading sounds good but the change to Living metal is brutal to our vehicle survival. I'm hoping the vehicles affected come with a point drop.

Why is it a hit to our vehicle survival? Maybe I was playing it wrong but I assumed you just ignored the effects of Crew Shaken or Crew Stunned (On a successful roll) but not the hull point loss for the penetrating hit.
This change gives us the ability to restore HP loss which is surely a big boon.

Unless I've misread, the change no longer gives us that AV13 buffer on our low armour vehicles like the barge and transport. This makes it easier to knock off enough hull points that we don't get to do our d6 roll at the end of the turn to regain a hitpoint. This -is- a brutal change.

chnmmr wrote:
Unless I've misread, the change no longer gives us that AV13 buffer on our low armour vehicles like the barge and transport. This makes it easier to knock off enough hull points that we don't get to do our d6 roll at the end of the turn to regain a hitpoint. This -is- a brutal change.

So basically there's no more Quantum Shielding?

chnmmr wrote:
Unless I've misread, the change no longer gives us that AV13 buffer on our low armour vehicles like the barge and transport. This makes it easier to knock off enough hull points that we don't get to do our d6 roll at the end of the turn to regain a hitpoint. This -is- a brutal change.

That was the "Quantum Shielding" special rule and so far I haven't seen that mentioned nor have I seen any mention of the AV values for the vehicles beyond the Obelisk.

Living Metal just provided ignore "Crew Shaken" on a 2+ and "Crew Stunned" on a 4+.

So Living Metal is improved and we need to wait and see if Quantum Shielding is still a thing.

chnmmr wrote:
Unless I've misread, the change no longer gives us that AV13 buffer on our low armour vehicles like the barge and transport. This makes it easier to knock off enough hull points that we don't get to do our d6 roll at the end of the turn to regain a hitpoint. This -is- a brutal change.

The AV13 buffer was a different rule. It did not come from Living Metal.

*slaps forehead* I jumped to conclusions and made a link with quantum shielding I shouldn't have. Ignore me >_>

My concern over tesla weapon strength still stands though.

I love the Living Metal change: The self-repair systems now actually do anything on a vehicle.

If you take into account the most high end Canoptek drones (Tomb Stalkers and Sentry Pylons) have IWND, we're now much closer thematically to everything having self repair.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Henker-Kind wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I like all the quick reference stuff Plus it's all there in the cloud so I don't have to fill shelves with books. And I get to harvest all the nice artwork for backgrounds on my tablet and pc .
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Just a little question from a non I-User:

When it is in the cloud, what is the legal situation, is it yours or just lent, if you buy it once, can you download it again, is it downloaded to your harddisk as a pdf ro so? Because I smell some strange development in digital ownership and clouds in general?

It is yours and you can put it on any device that you have authorised on your account. If you buy it once, thats it. No re-purchasing. It just stays in the cloud. The format is .ibooks(super fancy edition or .epub if from the iBook store. The fancy version only works on iPads. I think it works in .mobi though if you buy the digital version from Black Library (clarification needed there). If bought from Black Library you can put it on whichever device takes your fancy. No authorised crap but there is a noticeable difference in quality between the enhanced iBooks version and eBook version.

I've bought both versions at various times. The iTunes version is superior in almost every way, with pop-up menus and windows when you click on a weapon or rule. Navigation is also much easier. The only issue with it is the size of the actual file, and switching between books can take some time on an older iPad. For the longest time I was using a 16gb iPad 3 (around three years old), and switching from my Codex to the main rulebook to check a rule could take upwards of ten seconds. Also, with only 16gb of storage, each 1.5gb codex took up a considerable percentage of total space.

The Black Library versions are much smaller (around 80-100mb), and can be used on a variety of devices. I usually import them into the kindle app on my phone (Galaxy Note 3), or again, the kindle app on my iPad. They're not too bad to navigate with the new ones, as GW has only one entry for each unit now, instead of one entry with lore and rules, and another with options and point costs. With that consolidation, I don't mind using the Black Library versions.





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changemod wrote:

 Br00tal_Mclovin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
If you're on anything other than an iPad, you get shafted quality wise.

Oh definitely! you're better off buying the physical book and scanning it for your tablet/phone than buying the ebook...

I'd say the exact opposite: The ebooks are just the same content on a plain white background, whilst the "Enhanced" editions are full of scrolling bits and pop ups and mandatory viewing in portrait format that serve exactly no purpose beyond making it harder to redistribute.

Having used both, the iTunes versions are far better than the ebooks available from the Black Library. i don't like that they're so huge, but even with a slightly higher price, I'll always pick the iTunes version.

User is claiming to have the codex and is answering questions: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48760/new-necrons-codex?page=3

Someone on Tyranid Hive apparently has the codex and is answering questions. Just thought I'd share some:

Necron Special Rules:

Renanimation Protocols - When a model with this rule suffers an unsaved wound, it can make a special reanimation roll to avoid being wounded. This is not a saving throw and can be used against attacks that state "no saves of any kind are allowed". Reanimation protocols rolls may even be made against hits that cause Instant Death, but cannot be used against hits from Destroyer weapons, or an attack that states the model is removed from play.

Roll a D6 each time the model suffers an unsaved wound, subtracting 1 if the wound caused Instant Death. On a 5+, discount the unsaved wound. Modifiers to this dice roll can never be improved to better than 4+.

If a model has both reanimation and FNP, you can choose to use one or the other but not both.

Emphasis mine as I wasn't sure if that clause had been mentioned before. I could be wrong, but only saving ID wounds on a 6+ seems like a pretty big blow to RP - especially for our characters.

Canoptek Scarabs are Fast Attack, 60 points.

WS2 BS2 S3 T3 W3 I2 A4 Ld10 Sv6+

May include up to six bases at 20 pts per base

Entropic Strike: To wound rolls of 6 wound automatically and cause glancing hits if they wouldn't penetrate

Fearless, Swarm

Lychguard are 125 points for a squad of 5.

WS 4 BS 4 S 5 T 5 W 1 I 2 A 2 Ld 10 Sv 3+

Warscythe, Reanimation protocols. May select a night scythe as a dedicated trasnport.

The entire unit may exchange their warscythes for hyperphase swords and dispersion shields.

Dispersion Shield

A mdel equipped with a diispersion shield has a 3+ invulnerable save, but can never claim the two weapons bonus in the fight sub phase.

Mindshackle Scarabs

When fighting in a challenge, a model with the scarabs has the Fear rule. Fear tests taken as a result of the scarabs are taken on a 3D6

Well feth, MSS got nerfed.
I guess Space Marines got their way.

Lychguard are much cheaper though, which is a plus.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well feth, MSS got nerfed.
I guess Space Marines got their way.

The depressing thing is that I predicted that exact ability and was accused of trolling for it.