Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)

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**Anpu-adom**

As far as MSS... which of our characters will willingly be in a challenge? Won't we just be feeding crypteks to their CC beast?

Drakmord wrote:Whipcoils give swiftstrike instead of reducing enemy initiative, which is only a slight nerf, but I'm more interested in that Whipcoils have a profile now.

Does that mean that taking coils will give an extra attack in assault?

Let's hope.

**Kangodo**

God In Action wrote:
What does swiftstrike do?

+3 initiative as I read it.

Jaceevoke wrote:
I have to say that I really like the ID change to reanimation protocols, makes a lot more sense. It should be harder to pull yourself back together after being blasted to bits by a tank shot than just being shot by a gun. Even if I stick with the old codex I might have to add that rule in.

Don't forget the best thing!
Our Overlords have a chance to obtain EW from the Traits.
So with EW or against non-ID-attacks we have three rolls on RP instead of only one we had before.

Now remember that this also counts for our Lords, Crypteks and Destroyers that have two Wounds.

**changemod**

Hollismason wrote:
I'm pretty sure also Wraiths ignore cover so they wouldn't be hitting on initiative 1.

With any luck, Wraithflight will be a bit more clearly worded.

Currently it says never slowed by terrain. You could take that two ways, never slowed in terms of movement, or never slowed both in movement and combat. And no this isn't an invitation to debate me over that I won't be playing any games between now and the new book.

**ClockworkZion**

Desubot wrote:
God In Action wrote:
What does swiftstrike do?

I dont think its a USR

its probably fantasy style always strikes first maybe? Edit: NVM according to clockwork

Nids have it on lash whips. I expect it to be a USR next Ed.

**Galorian**

Scarabs took a hit with their overall price increase and aren't quite as scary as they used to be against vehicles but can now hurt any MC in the game, which is nice.

Lychguards for 25 ppm is INSANE. Wonder how much the S&B upgrade costs?

**ClockworkZion**

Galorian wrote:
Scarabs took a hit with their overall price increase and aren't quite as scary as they used to be against vehicles but can now hurt any MC in the game, which is nice.

Lychguards for 25 ppm is INSANE. Wonder how much the S&B upgrade costs?

+5 ppm.

**Kangodo**

That shield-upgrade is 5 points.. Kinda nice.

Something else I like: Heavy Destroyers are both fast attack and heavy support.

**Galorian**

Kangodo wrote:
That shield-upgrade is 5 points.. Kinda nice.

Something else I like: Heavy Destroyers are both fast attack and heavy support.

Anyone know their price yet?

**vipoid**

Anpu-adom wrote:
As far as MSS... which of our characters will willingly be in a challenge? Won't we just be feeding crypteks to their CC beast?

Well, that's certainly the case now.

With a 4++ save at best, and RP only on a 6+ against ID, I don't see our characters holding their own against many other characters or MCs.

**adamsouza**

All the special rules seem nerfed, but the point reductions and formation bonuses are looking good.

I feel the entropic rules change was a lateral move and did not warrant a 33% points increase on scarabs, but I'm willing to play a few games with them before I pass judgement.

**Requizen**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Galorian wrote:
Scarabs took a hit with their overall price increase and aren't quite as scary as they used to be against vehicles but can now hurt any MC in the game, which is nice.

Lychguards for 25 ppm is INSANE. Wonder how much the S&B upgrade costs?

+5 ppm.

30 points for 3++, AP3, and what is basically FNP++, I'm going to be using Lychguard. For a Assault Overlord/Lord/Character on foot, that's insanely good imo.

**nflagey**

From Fear Factory:

HQ:

Nemesor Zandrekh: WS5 BS5, Adaptive Tactics – Must pick a new Warlord Trait at the beginning of every turn.

Vargard Obyron: WS5 BS5

Illuminor Szeras:

Orikan: Orikan once Empowered stays empowered

Anrakyr: WS5 BS5

Trazyn: WS5 BS5

Overlord: 80pts WS5 BS5

Destroyer Lord: WS5 BS5

Necron Lord: 2 Wounds

Cryptek: 2 Wounds

Elites:

Deathmarks:

Lychguard: 25 pts each. 3+ Invulnerable Save

Flayed Ones: 4 Attacks, Shred, AP5

Triarch Stalker: Targeting Relay – +1 BS to a single Necron unit within 12″ inches

Triarch Praetorians: 25 pts each, 2 Base Attacks, Rod of the Convnent 12″ range

C’Tan Shard Nightbringer: 240 pts, Eternal warrior, Fleshbane, Gaze of Death – 12″ AP2 Roll 3D6 and subtract the target’s Leadership; the target unit suffers a number of Wounds equal to the result.

C’Tan Shard Deceiver: Eternal warrior, Hit and run, Dread – All Enemy Units within 12″ Inches -2 LD. Grand Illusion – After Scout moves, but before Seize Initiative roll Redeploy D3 units within 12″and the C’Tan Shard Deceiver or put in reserves

Troops:

Warriors:

Immortals:

Fast Attack:

Night Scythe:

Ghost Ark:

Canoptek Wraiths: T5

Canoptek Scarabs:

Tomb Blades: 16 pts each

Destroyers: 2 Wounds

Heavy Support:

Doom Scythe: Death Ray – 24″ S10 AP1, Heavy 1, Blast, Lance

Doomsday Ark: 170 pts Doomsday Cannon – Stationary 72″ S10 AP1, Heavy 1 Large Blast. Combat Speed 24″ S8 AP3 Blast

Annihilation Barge:

Monolith:

Canoptek Spyders:

Obelisk: AV 14, 14, 14

Lords of War:

Imotekh the Stormlord: WS5 BS5

**Kangodo**

I'm kind of upset that nobody asked for Relics yet.
That is something I care more about than whether something is 3 or 5 points.

vipoid wrote:
With a 4++ save at best, and RP only on a 6+ against ID, I don't see our characters holding their own against many other characters or MCs.

Yeah, that is true.
I'm extremely scared of all those S10-attacks I always seem to face with my T5-Lords.

Seriously, do you face Dante every single challenge?
Because otherwise you either have a 2+ or you win by initiative.

**Desubot**

A balls. T5 wraithes?

Having enough trouble dumping wounds on it as T4 but now i cant even ID them without T10 :/

**King Pariah**

Obyron can't be all that happy with that WS nerf. But everything as a whole looks okay.

**SilverDevilfish**

Someone should ask what the Phylactery does now, if it's still around.

**vipoid**

Kangodo wrote:

Seriously, do you face Dante every single challenge?

No, but other frequently challengers include Draigo, Dreadknights, Lucky Stikk Warbosses, TWC Lords and similar

Kangodo wrote:

Because otherwise you either have a 2+ or you win by initiative.

I cannot think of a single HQ character my group uses who doesn't have AP2.

Also, 'winning initiative' is only relevant if you can kill the enemy before he strikes (and, in the case of Draigo or Dreadknigts, not even true).

**ClockworkZion**

SilverDevilfish wrote:
Someone should ask what the Phylactery does now, if it's still around.

If it is I bet that it improves WBB by +1.

**Galorian**

Anyone remember the Ld score of the Riptide? Cause IIRC it wasn't all that high meaning it reaaaaaaly doesn't want to let the Nightbringer get anywhere near it.

Really wish we'd know by now what gear is available for Crypteks, this could make or break the Exterminatus C'tan formatio.

**Colpicklejar**

MSS nerf was completely expected. That said, Fear is one of the lamer rules in the game. Do lychguard with dispersal shields keep their warscythes, or do they just get power swords?

**knightpredator**

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they brought phase out back lol...

**Jaceevoke**

Kangodo wrote:
God In Action wrote:
What does swiftstrike do?

+3 initiative as I read it.

Jaceevoke wrote:
I have to say that I really like the ID change to reanimation protocols, makes a lot more sense. It should be harder to pull yourself back together after being blasted to bits by a tank shot than just being shot by a gun. Even if I stick with the old codex I might have to add that rule in.

Don't forget the best thing!
Our Overlords have a chance to obtain EW from the Traits.
So with EW or against non-ID-attacks we have three rolls on RP instead of only one we had before.

Now remember that this also counts for our Lords, Crypteks and Destroyers that have two Wounds.

You do make a good point, our guys are going to be reassembling while they are still going, that is amazing to think about in terms of fluff; to see the enemy literally pulling itself back together while it lumbers towards you every blow you do being fixed and repaired before you can even do another.

**ClockworkZion**

Colpicklejar wrote:
MSS nerf was completely expected. That said, Fear is one of the lamer rules in the game. Do lychguard with dispersal shields keep their warscythes, or do they just get power swords?

They go sword and board only.

**Akar**

Since we're still in rumors phase. Anyone know of or hear about a supplement Dex? Or is the move to those campaign books going to be the format?

**changemod**

You know to be quite honest I killed about five or six Dreadknights before the Internet told me Dreadknights are meant to be scary to Necrons, and I'm still not really seeing it.

Except for one invisibility spam incident, I've killed all or nearly all Grey Knight units on the table with only the Stormravens reliably living through it, assuming they don't make the error of dropping to grab an objective when I only have a few units to assign target priority to.

**Sigvatr**

WBB completely removed, RP now a glorified save, T4 models getting hugely shafted. MSS removed from the game, Necron characters now unable to win challenges again.

So in short, vehicle spam will still be the go-to Necron build.

**Hulksmash**

Sigvatr wrote:
WBB completely removed, RP now a glorified save, T4 models getting hugely shafted. MSS removed from the game, Necron characters now unable to win challenges again.

So in short, vehicle spam will still be the go-to Necron build.

We'll be Back isn't a rule in the current codex
RP was always a glorified save
T4 models are actually getting better/staying the same
MSS in it's current form was ridiculous and it isn't removed from the game, it's changed.
Necron Characters didn't win challenges. MSS won challenges when people hurt themselves.

**rollawaythestone**

1. Codex specifically states: "Snap Shots never cause additional hits as a result of this special rule".

2. Night Scythe is 130 points. They still have invasion beams.

3. Gauss auto wounds on a 6, and auto glances on a 6. No double strength.

4. Tomb Blades have twin linked gauss blasters. These can be exchanged with twin linked Tesla Carbines for free, or Particle Beamers for 2 points / model

5. Anrakyr is 160 points.

6. Triarch Praetorians are 140 points for a squad of 5. Their Rod of Covenant has a 12" range.

7. The Doomsday Ark is Heavy Support (again, see my earlier post about Crons not using standard Force Org though). It still has t be stationary to fire.

8. Monolith: 200 points, 14 AV all around, BS4, 4HP. Four gauss flayer arcs, Particle Whip, Eternity Gate, Deep Strike, Living Metal.

I am not a Cron player, but I think the Obelisk is new? It's like a superheavy version of the Monolith. 300 points, 14AV all around, BS4, 4HP. Four Tesla Spheres, and all enemy flyer, skimmer, jetbike, and FMCs treat terrain within 18" of the Obelisk as dangerous terrain. Zooming flyers and FMCs must also take a dangerous terrain test. The Obelisk can be "powered down" and gain 3+ invuln, but cannot move or shoot. Deep striking obelisks are always powered up. Once powered up, it cannot power down again.

9. The Spyder can add a single Canoptek Scarab base to a scarab unit within 6", at the start of the movement phase, even if it raises it past the starting amount. Roll a D6 after that, and it takes a wound on a 1.

10. Cryptek:

65 points, HQ, Infantry (character)

WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W2 Iw A1 Ld10 Sv.4+

Staff of Light, may take a chronometron (25 points), may take items from Technoarcana or Artefacts of the Aeons

Reanimation Protocols

Technomancer: This model and all models with the Reanimation Protocols rule in his unit receive +1 to Reanimation Protocol rolls (posted the rules for RP earlier in the thread)

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/48760/new-necrons-codex?page=5#ixzz3PwyS9uts

Thats cool. So Crypteks are the Sanguinary Priests/Pain Boys of Necrons.

**Hulksmash**

If particle beamers haven't changed 18pts for a St6 small blast jetbike is insanely good. That's down 12pts from before (30 points currently).

**wuestenfux**

Not bad if you ask me.
What about the other models and units?