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KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Pretty sure Necrons have just been improved massively. ( T5 Wraiths with reanimation protocols?!)

Hate the duran duran formation thingy though.

Wraiths never had Reanimation Protocols

Point of fact, they had RP in the 3ed book...

 King Pariah wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Pretty sure Necrons have just been improved massively. ( T5 Wraiths with reanimation protocols?!)

Hate the duran duran formation thingy though.

No RP on wraiths. Just a 3++

Yea, JUST

IDK the buffs seem great but with Dlords being much slower and no semp weave, they can't tank for the unit which is probably why they thought they needed the T bump.

Requizen wrote:
Whoooooah some of those Formation bonuses are AWESOME.

Canoptek units gaining Reanimation Protocols or Shred?

Monoliths and Obelisk being a massive Alpha Strike surprise?

Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers rerolling Pen rolls?

Stalker giving Twin Linked and Shred to every unit against a single target in LOS without having to actually shoot it?

I know we're all hating on the thing but DANG SON.

I suppose if it has to basically be mandatory, may as well make it kick ass.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Pretty sure Necrons have just been improved massively. ( T5 Wraiths with reanimation protocols?!)

Hate the duran duran formation thingy though.

Wraiths never had Reanimation Protocols

Point of fact, they had RP in the 3ed book...

If you want to be a pedant they had we'll be back. RP wasn't a thing.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Pretty sure Necrons have just been improved massively. ( T5 Wraiths with reanimation protocols?!)

Hate the duran duran formation thingy though.

Wraiths never had Reanimation Protocols

Point of fact, they had RP in the 3ed book...

Edit:

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

so, can we use the old CAD or not people?

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Looks like Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are good to go. Looks like the guy with the codex is still unclear but that seems clear cut to me.

I mean they're all Detachments, we just get a special one for Necrons

Nevermind

"Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase."

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Looks like Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are good to go. Looks like the guy with the codex is still unclear but that seems clear cut to me.

I mean they're all Detachments, we just get a special one for Necrons

Yeah sorry, I am a little unfirm in the detachement and combined arms-rules, could you explain a little.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Looks like Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are good to go. Looks like the guy with the codex is still unclear but that seems clear cut to me.

I mean they're all Detachments, we just get a special one for Necrons

You mean besides the "Instead you will need to" ?

How would that work with allied detachments?

 MoonlightSonata wrote:

"Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase."

SO TRUE!!!

 MoonlightSonata wrote:

"Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase."

HOLY GAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!

 Desubot wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Looks like Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are good to go. Looks like the guy with the codex is still unclear but that seems clear cut to me.

I mean they're all Detachments, we just get a special one for Necrons

You mean besides the "Instead you will need to" ?

How would that work with allied detachments?

Well that's the opening line of Battle-Forged Armies in the rulebook

A player using the Battle-forged method must organise all the units they want to use into Detachments.

EDIT:

Sorry to elaborate, I think he may have cut off some statement early on relating to Unbound. I'm going to check the wording on Blood Angels or Dark Eldar.

25 pts for phase shifter, 15 pts for phylactery. Np.

Oh hell yeah, how good is that.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Looks like Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are good to go. Looks like the guy with the codex is still unclear but that seems clear cut to me.

I mean they're all Detachments, we just get a special one for Necrons

You mean besides the "Instead you will need to" ?

How would that work with allied detachments?

Well that's the opening line of Battle-Forged Armies in the rulebook

A player using the Battle-forged method must organise all the units they want to use into Detachments.

ok But how can you make a Combined arms detachment when you must instead use the duran duran detachment when making a battle forged list?

As a marine player I'm happy that MSS are gone, but everything else is looking pretty terrifying.

 MoonlightSonata wrote:

"Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase."

Post of the year so far!

It's not that bad, scarabs and spiders are a heavy tax for the wraiths and everything needs to be within a 12" of the spyder. Kill that spyder first I guess

 Desubot wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Looks like Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are good to go. Looks like the guy with the codex is still unclear but that seems clear cut to me.

I mean they're all Detachments, we just get a special one for Necrons

You mean besides the "Instead you will need to" ?

How would that work with allied detachments?

Well that's the opening line of Battle-Forged Armies in the rulebook

A player using the Battle-forged method must organise all the units they want to use into Detachments.

ok But how can you make a Combined arms detachment when you must instead use the duran duran detachment when making a battle forged list?

You don't "must" anything

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Combined Arms Detachment is a Detachment. Decurion is a type of Detachment that you can CHOOSE to use. You don't HAVE to choose it.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea except that is from a day after your bitching when someone brought the point up.

And? You [tried] to make a cheap shot about me not admitting that C'tan being able to use two powers a turn would be baller, like twelve hours after I explicitly stated that it would.

Why not just admit that you dun fethed up? We can all see it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase.

Shred makes them nasty as hell against MC's. How does RP work on multi-wound models They just get back up with one? That's still pretty good for a tar-pit.

This looks to be an excellent Codex update. Tone down the broken spammed stuff (Nightscythes / Command Barges / MSS) and instead spread the love throughout the Codex so that there are many balanced effective options.

If that canoptek formation actually only includes a single spyder (and not a unit of 3), it's not as good as it sounds. All the special rules need that spyder to be alive and within 12" of the wraiths. Quite limiting really.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea except that is from a day after your bitching when someone brought the point up.

And? You made a cheap shot about me not admitting that C'tan being able to use two powers a turn would be baller, like twelve hours after I explicitly stated that it would.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase.

Shred makes them nasty as hell against MC's. How does RP work on multi-wound models They just get back up with one?

RP is now basically super FNP.

On that note: Command Barges lost Independent Character status. Solves that conundrum.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea except that is from a day after your bitching when someone brought the point up.

And? You [tried] to make a cheap shot about me not admitting that C'tan being able to use two powers a turn would be baller, like twelve hours after I explicitly stated that it would.

Why not just admit that you dun fethed up? We can all see it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Canoptek Harvest=
1 Canoptek Spyder
1 unit of Canoptek Wraiths
1 unit of Canoptek Scarabs

Special Rules: Move Through Cover, Relentless
At start of Movement phase, can gain Fleet, Reanimation Protocols, or Shred. Spyder and all formation units within 12" gain those special rules until your next movement phase.

Shred makes them nasty as hell against MC's. How does RP work on multi-wound models They just get back up with one?

models do not get up again, they test each unsafed wound immedeatly! on 5+ or 4+ they do not suffer said wound.

 RivenSkull wrote:

Ghost ark can only take Warriors and Characters, but it only has 10 slots. Warriors are now a minimum of 10 per unit.

Genius!

The stupidit, it hurts D:

Classic GW not checking their rules twice.

Canoptek Harvest says the models have to be within 12" of the spyder to get the benefits. Good luck making it keep up with the scarabs and wraiths, or just keeping it alive.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:

Ghost ark can only take Warriors and Characters, but it only has 10 slots. Warriors are now a minimum of 10 per unit.

Genius!

The stupidit, it hurts D:

Classic GW not checking their rules twice.

D:

 Desubot wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Looks like Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are good to go. Looks like the guy with the codex is still unclear but that seems clear cut to me.

I mean they're all Detachments, we just get a special one for Necrons

You mean besides the "Instead you will need to" ?

How would that work with allied detachments?

Well that's the opening line of Battle-Forged Armies in the rulebook

A player using the Battle-forged method must organise all the units they want to use into Detachments.

ok But how can you make a Combined arms detachment when you must instead use the duran duran detachment when making a battle forged list?

But I don't read it like that. I read it like "If you're going to go with a Battle-Forged list, you need to use detachments, here's a special detachment you can take in any Battle Forged army"

As the only two methods of army building are Battle-Forged and Unbound and Battle-Forged uses detachments (and the rules for detachments allow for any number and variety of detachments) unless there is a specific restriction I'm not reading there I don't think it is required.
However this is a discussion for another thread after the Codex is out, see you in YMDC Saturday

 Desubot wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Forces of the Necrons:

"If you are using the Battle-forged method, you will instead need to organise the Necron models in your collection into Deatchments...

...the Necrn Decurion Detachment is a special type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle forged army. Unlike the detachhments shown in WH40K: The Rules, it has a force organisation chart whose slots are a combination of specific formations and army list entries instead of battlefield roles."

Looks like Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are good to go. Looks like the guy with the codex is still unclear but that seems clear cut to me.

I mean they're all Detachments, we just get a special one for Necrons

You mean besides the "Instead you will need to" ?



How would that work with allied detachments?

Well that's the opening line of Battle-Forged Armies in the rulebook

A player using the Battle-forged method must organise all the units they want to use into Detachments.

ok But how can you make a Combined arms detachment when you must instead use the duran duran detachment when making a battle forged list?

It doesn't say you MUST use it instead. It saysyou need to form them into detatchments. Combined arms is a detachment.