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 King Pariah wrote:
Oh wait, Vargard Obyron and Trazyn are crap and Anrakyr is situational.

If anyone thinks of a good use for Trazyn, please let me know.

 Redemption wrote:
Praetorians can take a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport, but the Night Scythe doesn't seem to state it can carry Jump Infantry, unless I'm overlooking the obvious.

Nightscythe can carry infantry. Jump infantry are just bulky, so will take up 2 slots. That means you have have a unit of 7 Praetorians in the NS, but not 8.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:


Who knew that Necrons would go from a shooty based army to one that has so much assault potential?

Certainly noone who picked up Necrons years ago before they got "cool". The new Codex:Necron is about as Necron as Sarah Palin is an accurate representation of the US.

Damn, Sig, when did you become such a negative nancy, brah? It's like you are bound and determined to hate this new Codex for some reason.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:


Who knew that Necrons would go from a shooty based army to one that has so much assault potential?

Certainly noone who picked up Necrons years ago before they got "cool". The new Codex:Necron is about as Necron as Sarah Palin is an accurate representation of the US.

Eh, the old crons also had a touch of the melee about them. They were just horrible at it.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:


Who knew that Necrons would go from a shooty based army to one that has so much assault potential?

Certainly noone who picked up Necrons years ago before they got "cool". The new Codex:Necron is about as Necron as Sarah Palin is an accurate representation of the US.

Based on some Americans on political forums she is representative of at least a portion of the US sorry bud.

I'm interested, even if my army is 6 wraiths 3 A Barges and 2 CCB's and 40 warriors scarabs and a doomsday ark, its basically looking like I'm going to have to purchase an awful lot of stuff to be viable.

Imagine that you live in a country that is starkly divided between those that live in the 3 largest cities and the rest of the country. That is the US. Unfortunately, the media in the US is controlled out of those three largest cities... so a distorted picture of the country is what is projected to the world.

buddha wrote:

toonkirby wrote:
Hey guys. I've been lurking around for the past week or so but never bothered posting, but I feel like taking part in these discussions. Mis valientes guerreros posted a dropbox link to all of the screenshots, which include ones that haven't been posted here(basically just the named characters)https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eqcu5zyw668o31h/AACMO1VVmdcu-6m-WLHFzT9ia?dl=0

Thanks! Well it's confirmed that the obelisk and the vault are lords of war which isn't as fun.

I'm ok with Obelisk as a LoW, it doesn't matter for the Decurion and it frees up another HS slot if I'm going Vehicle Heavy. Win/win imo.

changemod wrote:Obyron has once per game Ghostwalk Mantle and is cheaper. Two teleporting units are a go, even if he kinda sucks due to not having an invulnerable but hey, that's not new.

Alright, then he's not all bad. And it still doesn't scatter within 12" of Zahndrekh, which is nice too. So he has uses - just not really as a dedicated Assault dude. More as a 120 point way to shoot things around the board and give some light Assault defense and 2+ armor tanking.


Attaching Orikan to Imotekh/Obyron/Zahndrekh/Overlord with Nightmare Shroud gives them 2+ rerollable armor. Nice.


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 vipoid wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Oh wait, Vargard Obyron and Trazyn are crap and Anrakyr is situational.

If anyone thinks of a good use for Trazyn, please let me know.

If you're running big Character lists (spamming Royal Courts, basically) and make him your Warlord, you basically deny Slay the Warlord to your opponent. That's all I got.

Requizen wrote:
I LOVE Imotekh now. Lord of the Storm isn't as powerful in shooting, but it's a big 48" bubble of pain for the entire game now, not just during Night Fight. He has a great gun, and his boost to Deep Striking Flayed Ones actually means something now that Flayed Ones are playable. With a 2+/4++/5+++ (Which is probably going to be a 4+++) and the set Reserve Manipulation Warlord Trait, he's a steal for 190 points. Sure, he's not an Assault badass or anything, but he has a lot going for him imo.

I could've sworn it says once per game in the screenshots?
In response to everything else, what's your reasoning that paretorians are better? I want to know how you and everyone else feel when comparing to lychguard. I think I will pick up a stalker then, I've always liked the model, but other things have popped up in front of it for things I want to buy. I also really want to get the nightbringer and run it with the mephryt dynasty formation with the god shackle

 vipoid wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Oh wait, Vargard Obyron and Trazyn are crap and Anrakyr is situational.

If anyone thinks of a good use for Trazyn, please let me know.

His weapon gained +2S, AP 4, and Concussive...but of course the special ability only works in challenges...its S4 though, instead of just wounding on a 4+, so its better against hordes assuming they actually agree to challenge?

Yeah...I'm not sure if I get this new incarnation either. He'll at least be a difficult slay the warlord point to take? It's to bad they didn't give him back Objective Secured. That would have at least been something.

He got a big price reduction (45 pts I think?), fwiw

ShadarLogoth wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:


Who knew that Necrons would go from a shooty based army to one that has so much assault potential?

Certainly noone who picked up Necrons years ago before they got "cool". The new Codex:Necron is about as Necron as Sarah Palin is an accurate representation of the US.

Damn, Sig, when did you become such a negative nancy, brah? It's like you are bound and determined to hate this new Codex for some reason.

Because I do. I solely play 40k / Necrons because of their fluff and don't care about their power level at all - although it feels like being the <1% of players still thinking that way, most people are just about an army's "power level" nowadays. I mean, really, of all games those people choose 40k?

This edition of Codex: Necrons has nothing to do with Necrons. A strong focus on Assault? WBB fully removed? Necrons suddenly posing like Space Marines / regular humans as if they'd care? Those stupid jetbikes? If this wasn't called Codex: Necrons, it could be any random, generic codex. You could easily and 1:1 apply most if not all those rules to regular Space Marines. There is nothing iconic about the codex. As usual, I point you at the 3rd codex, the pinnacle of codex writing. It had a nigh-perfect connection between fluff and rules. Phase Out, for example, was a terrible rule power-wise that drastically lowered Necron effectiveness. On the other hand, it fit perfectly to their fluff. Just one of many examples.

It's a soulless piece of overpriced paper. More power to the powergamers.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:


Based on some Americans on political forums she is representative of at least a portion of the US sorry bud.

That is precisely my point. For some people, she is. For most, she's not.

Requizen wrote:

I LOVE Imotekh now. Lord of the Storm isn't as powerful in shooting, but it's a big 48" bubble of pain for the entire game now, not just during Night Fight. He has a great gun, and his boost to Deep Striking Flayed Ones actually means something now that Flayed Ones are playable. With a 2+/4++/5+++ (Which is probably going to be a 4+++) and the set Reserve Manipulation Warlord Trait, he's a steal for 190 points. Sure, he's not an Assault badass or anything, but he has a lot going for him imo.

Didn't someone confirm that Lord of Storms is one use only?

I could've sworn it says once per game in the screenshots?

It is.

toonkirby wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I LOVE Imotekh now. Lord of the Storm isn't as powerful in shooting, but it's a big 48" bubble of pain for the entire game now, not just during Night Fight. He has a great gun, and his boost to Deep Striking Flayed Ones actually means something now that Flayed Ones are playable. With a 2+/4++/5+++ (Which is probably going to be a 4+++) and the set Reserve Manipulation Warlord Trait, he's a steal for 190 points. Sure, he's not an Assault badass or anything, but he has a lot going for him imo.

I could've sworn it says once per game in the screenshots?
In response to everything else, what's your reasoning that paretorians are better? I want to know how you and everyone else feel when comparing to lychguard. I think I will pick up a stalker then, I've always liked the model, but other things have popped up in front of it for things I want to buy. I also really want to get the nightbringer and run it with the mephryt dynasty formation with the god shackle

Ah butts, I skimmed. It is once per game. Now my Imotekh hype just crashed. I mean, free Night Fighting, better Flayed Ones, good shooting and durability is nice, but now that 190 looks a bit more expensive. Oh well, I guess.

Lychguard are stronger in assault, but Praetorians are more mobile and have good shooting. This means they can't be attached to a Character, but I think it grants them more versatility. If I was going to add a dedicated assault unit, or needed a squad designed to fight Knights, I'd get Lychguard. But, as a general, all arounder squad, I think Praetorians are better.

Stalker is a great model, and it'll be awesome if you run it in the formation. Keep in mind, as soon as people figure out that it's buffing your army, all anti-tank will be pointed at it. Find some cover.

My thoughts exactly. Nightbringer in Conclave with God Shackle is tough as nails, has great shooting, and is scary in assault to near anything. I'm running one ASAP.

Am I right in thinking that the Trans-D Beamer is better than the Particle Caster on the Wraiths in every single way other than being Heavy?

Because I do. I solely play 40k / Necrons because of their fluff and don't care about their power level at all - although it feels like being the <1% of players still thinking that way, most people are just about an army's "power level" nowadays. I mean, really, of all games those people choose 40k?

This edition of Codex: Necrons has nothing to do with Necrons. A strong focus on Assault? WBB fully removed? Necrons suddenly posing like Space Marines / regular humans as if they'd care? Those stupid jetbikes? If this wasn't called Codex: Necrons, it could be any random, generic codex. You could easily and 1:1 apply most if not all those rules to regular Space Marines. There is nothing iconic about the codex. As usual, I point you at the 3rd codex, the pinnacle of codex writing. It had a nigh-perfect connection between fluff and rules. Phase Out, for example, was a terrible rule power-wise that drastically lowered Necron effectiveness. On the other hand, it fit perfectly to their fluff. Just one of many examples.

It's a soulless piece of overpriced paper. More power to the powergamers.

Most of the fluff your referring to changed last Codex. I mean, to each his own, but I've always found this to be a curious thing to complain about. If you don't like the imaginary stories GW created, create your own imaginary stories. If you want to quit games when you get down to 25% of your army I'm sure your opponent will let you .

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Praetorians can take a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport, but the Night Scythe doesn't seem to state it can carry Jump Infantry, unless I'm overlooking the obvious.

Nightscythe can carry infantry. Jump infantry are just bulky, so will take up 2 slots. That means you have have a unit of 7 Praetorians in the NS, but not 8.

From 'Transports' in the main rulebook:

Only Infantry models can embark upon Transports (this does not include Jump or Jet Pack Infantry), unless specifically stated otherwise.

So as of right now, Praetorians have a Dedicated Transport that they can't use as it seems to have lost the exception from the previous codex that allowed it to carry Jump Infantry and Jetbikes.

Alcibiades wrote:
Am I right in thinking that the Trans-D Beamer is better than the Particle Caster on the Wraiths in every single way other than being Heavy?

It is, but that Heavy is a pretty big deal.

Now, assuming you grabbed them in the Decurion and they are relentless....take the Beamers.


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Oh, I just saw the Ever Living benefits of the Decurion that Dr. D mentioned. +1 RP to all units and Living Metal working on Shaken as well as Stunned is a go.

Alcibiades wrote:
Am I right in thinking that the Trans-D Beamer is better than the Particle Caster on the Wraiths in every single way other than being Heavy?

Well, a whip coil is a close combat weapon, so if you take the particle caster I think you can get an extra attack on CC

Also @Requizen
I'm still gonna get Imotekh regardless, but it is kinda sad when I compare him to the other 7e lord of wars.
Hmm I think I'll get myself a stalker and some praetorians then. The only thing is that the praetorians have no invul save if I take them with particle casters and voidblades. I also just remembered I have a unit of lychguard so I'm totwlly cool with more praetorians

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:


Who knew that Necrons would go from a shooty based army to one that has so much assault potential?

Certainly noone who picked up Necrons years ago before they got "cool". The new Codex:Necron is about as Necron as Sarah Palin is an accurate representation of the US.

Based on some Americans on political forums she is representative of at least a portion of the US sorry bud.

I'm interested, even if my army is 6 wraiths 3 A Barges and 2 CCB's and 40 warriors scarabs and a doomsday ark, its basically looking like I'm going to have to purchase an awful lot of stuff to be viable.

Imagine that you live in a country that is starkly divided between those that live in the 3 largest cities and the rest of the country. That is the US. Unfortunately, the media in the US is controlled out of those three largest cities... so a distorted picture of the country is what is projected to the world.

I can see Necrontyr from my house

toonkirby wrote:
Hey guys. I've been lurking around for the past week or so but never bothered posting, but I feel like taking part in these discussions. Mis valientes guerreros posted a dropbox link to all of the screenshots, which include ones that haven't been posted here(basically just the named characters)https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eqcu5zyw668o31h/AACMO1VVmdcu-6m-WLHFzT9ia?dl=0

Thanks for the link, I missed a few of those before they got taken down on the other sites

Just read the Eternity Gate rules. If you select a unit in reserves for it, you get that unit automatically now. I'm pretty sure you could only select units that rolled successfully to arrive previously. So, that's a nice little buff, there.

ShadarLogoth wrote:


Most of the fluff your referring to changed last Codex. I mean, to each his own, but I've always found this to be a curious thing to complain about. If you don't like the imaginary stories GW created, create your own imaginary stories. If you want to quit games when you get down to 25% of your army I'm sure your opponent will let you .

I've fully switched back to playing 4th and all tournaments we play are now 4th as well

Model-wise, 100% recast / second hand.

The ever living bonus is marked as a command bonus. Does that mean you need to take a command formation to receive +1 RP ?

ShadarLogoth wrote:
Just read the Eternity Gate rules. If you select a unit in reserves for it, you get that unit automatically now. I'm pretty sure you could only select units that rolled successfully to arrive previously. So, that's a nice little buff, there.

Heh, kind of like the old monolith. Does it work on every unit, or just warriors?

ShadarLogoth wrote:

Oh, I just saw the Ever Living benefits of the Decurion that Dr. D mentioned. +1 RP to all units and Living Metal working on Shaken as well as Stunned is a go.

Holy crap.

The evil part of me is whispering about Wraiths in that formation with a 4+++ to complement their T5 2W 3++... THE TEAAAARS!
That might actually be too evil to use in friendly games, regardless of the rest of the army.

 Sigvatr wrote:


I've fully switched back to playing 4th and all tournaments we play are now 4th as well

Model-wise, 100% recast / second hand.

Congrats, I genuinely applaud that you guys found a consensus that works, and that you're happy with. Far too many people just bitch and don't try to rectify the problems they have with the game.

So why come in here and be salty then?

Aldaris wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:

Oh, I just saw the Ever Living benefits of the Decurion that Dr. D mentioned. +1 RP to all units and Living Metal working on Shaken as well as Stunned is a go.

Holy crap.

The evil part of me is whispering about Wraiths in that formation with a 4+++ to complement their T5 2W 4++... THE TEAAAARS!
That might actually be too evil to use in friendly games, regardless of the rest of the army.

You know wraiths have 3+ invuls, right? They no longer have phase shifters, and get their own special rule.

Hmm... Are their any non-Skyfire ground gun emplacements with AP 2 or 3? You could use that to get ignores cover from a firing Tomb Blade.

Oh, and an Icarus Lascanon against Flying Tyrants.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

You know wraiths have 3+ invuls, right? They no longer have phase shifters, and get their own special rule.

Sure, I know. But if they're taken as part of their formation they can get RP from a spyder, or did I remember that wrong? Thought I read that yesterday.

And that would mean they'd get a 4up RP roll AFTER they fail a 3++ save. Making them ridiculously durable.

EDIT: Oh, I just realized I wrote that wrong in my original post! Just a typo.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Praetorians can take a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport, but the Night Scythe doesn't seem to state it can carry Jump Infantry, unless I'm overlooking the obvious.

Nightscythe can carry infantry. Jump infantry are just bulky, so will take up 2 slots. That means you have have a unit of 7 Praetorians in the NS, but not 8.

From 'Transports' in the main rulebook:

Only Infantry models can embark upon Transports (this does not include Jump or Jet Pack Infantry), unless specifically stated otherwise.

So as of right now, Praetorians have a Dedicated Transport that they can't use as it seems to have lost the exception from the previous codex that allowed it to carry Jump Infantry and Jetbikes.

It's as if they forgot they took out the line that let Nightscythes carry every unit type under the sun.

OK so I've got Scarabs, I've got 6 Wraiths...that might just be the first purchase. Pick up a Spider and the wraiths 1st and 2nd turn are amazing!

 Ghaz wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Praetorians can take a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport, but the Night Scythe doesn't seem to state it can carry Jump Infantry, unless I'm overlooking the obvious.

Nightscythe can carry infantry. Jump infantry are just bulky, so will take up 2 slots. That means you have have a unit of 7 Praetorians in the NS, but not 8.

From 'Transports' in the main rulebook:

Only Infantry models can embark upon Transports (this does not include Jump or Jet Pack Infantry), unless specifically stated otherwise.

So as of right now, Praetorians have a Dedicated Transport that they can't use as it seems to have lost the exception from the previous codex that allowed it to carry Jump Infantry and Jetbikes.

Thanks for the correction. Seems like an oversight... hopefully it will be corrected with our obligatory faq that only fixes typos.