Necron release rumours (prices and pics in first post)

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**Wilson**

Requizen wrote:
Frozocrone wrote:
Wilson wrote:
I'm kinda worried all of your necrons might be a little too good now :[

T5 wraiths and FNP that works against instant death is no fair:[[[

It's ok, us Tyranid players have Flyrants and FMC's to deal with Wraiths. Wraith logic - No CC = no party Haywire Templates automatically fry them to bitz

But yes, Necrons are looking to be very strong.

What do Haywire Templates do against T5 W2 Beasts with 3++?

haywire counts as strength 10 vs anything with reanimation protocols.

**Hollismason**

What are Flyrants going to do, shoot ST6 at a model with a 3+ , 4+ that's T5.
Or
Shoot at a T7 with a 3+ , 4 +
Or Shoot at a 12 wound unit that's fearless and got a 6+, 4+.
That's not really a great choice.

That's ignoring you know, the guys that have ignore cover Twinlinked St5 weapons.

Canoptek Formation is a BETTER Wraithwing.

**Jaq Draco lives**

I really don't know why people are so hung up on the fact that the Spyders can't keep up.

Say I don't get first turn.

Spyders are with my Wraiths, I get the buff ace! Wraiths move and Spyder moves just in range so they are buffed for second turn.

Next turn Wraiths move another 12" and are in charge range of something usually, and probably all still alive (yay! that ones is rare) the Spyder and the scarabs move back and hold an objective - that objective is pretty much secure for the rest of the game and a full squadron of wraiths is kicking ass, where normally they'd have been punished.

**Hollismason**

The range of that ability is 12" correct so it's pretty easy to keep the Spyder in Range of the Wraiths.

Wraith Moves 12
Spyder Moves 6
Wraiths still with in 12

**rollawaythestone**

Wilson wrote:
Requizen wrote:
Frozocrone wrote:
Wilson wrote:
I'm kinda worried all of your necrons might be a little too good now :[

T5 wraiths and FNP that works against instant death is no fair:[[[

It's ok, us Tyranid players have Flyrants and FMC's to deal with Wraiths. Wraith logic - No CC = no party Haywire Templates automatically fry them to bitz

But yes, Necrons are looking to be very strong.

What do Haywire Templates do against T5 W2 Beasts with 3++?

haywire counts as strength 10 vs anything with reanimation protocols.

Oh dang! I totally missed that. That's excellent for the Nids. One more reason to load up on E grubs.

**Azreal13**

For those concerned if Necrons are going to be strong to the point of gaining Eldar-like levels of criticism and struggling to find games because they're no fun to play against, I'll let you know if the local "that" guy suddenly abandons his Serpent Spam because "he's always loved Necrons and felt now was the perfect time to start an army" having shown no interest previously.

**CthuluIsSpy**

davethepak wrote:
All of this sounds exciting, lots of builds....although, I hope crons are not super powered.....I don't want to be the new eldar.

One note, on those wanting crypteks - if you want more than 3.....(yes, looking at the page right now, go up and find it).

Reclamation Legion 1+ - Core Fomation.
Royal court (0-1 PER Reclamation Legion). - Command Formation.
THEN you can take 1-10 Other (Auxiliary) Formations.

While you can take 10 formations of flayed ones/etc. If you want more than 3 crypteks,
(look at the page, before you say "I thought....")

So, if you want more than 3 Crypteks, they have a tax of a lot more....

Overally, happy with the book, but clearly, a few things need to be faq'ed.

The biggest disappointments for me, personally, are;
No 3+ save on ctan for normal dakka.
Fixing Ordnance effect on the monolith (being forced to snapshot secondary weapons).

Not quite. Looking at the chart, it seems the Canoptek Harvest, Triarch and destroyer detachements branch off to the others.

So you start with the Royal Court and Reclamation Legion THEN at least one of those and THEN you can use the other detachments.

**MoonlightSonata**

Wilson wrote:
haywire counts as strength 10 vs anything with reanimation protocols.

What?!

**CthuluIsSpy**

MoonlightSonata wrote:
Wilson wrote:
haywire counts as strength 10 vs anything with reanimation protocols.

What?!

WHAT!?!

This has to be a joke.

**docdoom77**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
MoonlightSonata wrote:
Wilson wrote:
haywire counts as strength 10 vs anything with reanimation protocols.

What?!

WHAT!?!

This has to be a joke.

It IS a joke. Don't worry guys. It's even funnier when people take it seriously though.

**Requizen**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
davethepak wrote:
All of this sounds exciting, lots of builds....although, I hope crons are not super powered.....I don't want to be the new eldar.

One note, on those wanting crypteks - if you want more than 3.....(yes, looking at the page right now, go up and find it).

Reclamation Legion 1+ - Core Fomation.
Royal court (0-1 PER Reclamation Legion). - Command Formation.
THEN you can take 1-10 Other (Auxiliary) Formations.

While you can take 10 formations of flayed ones/etc. If you want more than 3 crypteks,
(look at the page, before you say "I thought....")

So, if you want more than 3 Crypteks, they have a tax of a lot more....

Overally, happy with the book, but clearly, a few things need to be faq'ed.

The biggest disappointments for me, personally, are;
No 3+ save on ctan for normal dakka.
Fixing Ordnance effect on the monolith (being forced to snapshot secondary weapons).

Not quite. Looking at the chart, it seems the Canoptek Harvest, Triarch and destroyer detachements branch off to the others.

So you start with the Royal Court and Reclamation Legion THEN at least one of those and THEN you can use the other detachments.

That's not how it works.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Quick, circulate. See the reaction

**MoonlightSonata**

I haven't played the game in 8 months lol. Wasn't sure if there had been an FAQ in the mean time!

**CthuluIsSpy**

Requizen wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
davethepak wrote:
All of this sounds exciting, lots of builds....although, I hope crons are not super powered.....I don't want to be the new eldar.

One note, on those wanting crypteks - if you want more than 3.....(yes, looking at the page right now, go up and find it).

Reclamation Legion 1+ - Core Fomation.
Royal court (0-1 PER Reclamation Legion). - Command Formation.
THEN you can take 1-10 Other (Auxiliary) Formations.

While you can take 10 formations of flayed ones/etc. If you want more than 3 crypteks,
(look at the page, before you say "I thought....")

So, if you want more than 3 Crypteks, they have a tax of a lot more....

Overally, happy with the book, but clearly, a few things need to be faq'ed.

The biggest disappointments for me, personally, are;
No 3+ save on ctan for normal dakka.
Fixing Ordnance effect on the monolith (being forced to snapshot secondary weapons).

Not quite. Looking at the chart, it seems the Canoptek Harvest, Triarch and destroyer detachements branch off to the others.

So you start with the Royal Court and Reclamation Legion THEN at least one of those and THEN you can use the other detachments.

That's not how it works.

Look at the three detachments under the Reclamation Legion and the Royal court. They all lead into a single stem that branches off into the other detachments.

**Requizen**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Requizen wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
davethepak wrote:
All of this sounds exciting, lots of builds....although, I hope crons are not super powered.....I don't want to be the new eldar.

One note, on those wanting crypteks - if you want more than 3.....(yes, looking at the page right now, go up and find it).

Reclamation Legion 1+ - Core Fomation.
Royal court (0-1 PER Reclamation Legion). - Command Formation.
THEN you can take 1-10 Other (Auxiliary) Formations.

While you can take 10 formations of flayed ones/etc. If you want more than 3 crypteks,
(look at the page, before you say "I thought....")

So, if you want more than 3 Crypteks, they have a tax of a lot more....

Overally, happy with the book, but clearly, a few things need to be faq'ed.

The biggest disappointments for me, personally, are;
No 3+ save on ctan for normal dakka.
Fixing Ordnance effect on the monolith (being forced to snapshot secondary weapons).

Not quite. Looking at the chart, it seems the Canoptek Harvest, Triarch and destroyer detachements branch off to the others.

So you start with the Royal Court and Reclamation Legion THEN at least one of those and THEN you can use the other detachments.

That's not how it works.

Look at the three detachments under the Reclamation Legion and the Royal court. They all lead into a single stem that branches off into the other detachments.

The one from the book is laid out entirely differently. Look at the link from a couple pages back.

**vipoid**

Requizen wrote:

The one from the book is laid out entirely differently. Look at the link from a couple pages back.

I can't find the link you're talking about.

**Requizen**

toonkirby wrote:
Hey guys. I've been lurking around for the past week or so but never bothered posting, but I feel like taking part in these discussions. Mis valientes guerreros posted a dropbox link to all of the screenshots, which include ones that haven't been posted here(basically just the named characters)https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eqcu5zyw668o31h/AACMO1VVmdcu-6m-WLHFzT9ia?dl=0

**davethepak**

Regardless of the 1-10, my point is that if you want more than 3 Crypteks, you have to take another reclamation legion command formation.

Also, in the codex, they are named and described better.

**docdoom77**

Requizen wrote:
toonkirby wrote:
Hey guys. I've been lurking around for the past week or so but never bothered posting, but I feel like taking part in these discussions. Mis valientes guerreros posted a dropbox link to all of the screenshots, which include ones that haven't been posted here(basically just the named characters)https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eqcu5zyw668o31h/AACMO1VVmdcu-6m-WLHFzT9ia?dl=0

I think it's gone.

**Requizen**

davethepak wrote:
Regardless of the 1-10, my point is that if you want more than 3 Crypteks, you have to take another reclamation legion command formation.

Also, in the codex, they are named and described better.

I don't think it's that surprising, Crypteks are completely different now, they're actual HQ units instead of gimmick tech dudes. You're not going to see lists with 8 Crypteks anymore.

docdoom77 wrote:
Requizen wrote:
toonkirby wrote:
Hey guys. I've been lurking around for the past week or so but never bothered posting, but I feel like taking part in these discussions. Mis valientes guerreros posted a dropbox link to all of the screenshots, which include ones that haven't been posted here(basically just the named characters)https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eqcu5zyw668o31h/AACMO1VVmdcu-6m-WLHFzT9ia?dl=0

I think it's gone.

I can still hit it.

**changemod**

davethepak wrote:
Regardless of the 1-10, my point is that if you want more than 3 Crypteks, you have to take another reclamation legion command formation.

Also, in the codex, they are named and described better.

You can take 5 Crypteks with a CAD and a Royal Court.

Leaves you stuck with a lord but nothing's perfect.

**docdoom77**

Requizen wrote:
davethepak wrote:
Regardless of the 1-10, my point is that if you want more than 3 Crypteks, you have to take another reclamation legion command formation.

Also, in the codex, they are named and described better.

I don't think it's that surprising, Crypteks are completely different now, they're actual HQ units instead of gimmick tech dudes. You're not going to see lists with 8 Crypteks anymore.

docdoom77 wrote:
Requizen wrote:
toonkirby wrote:
Hey guys. I've been lurking around for the past week or so but never bothered posting, but I feel like taking part in these discussions. Mis valientes guerreros posted a dropbox link to all of the screenshots, which include ones that haven't been posted here(basically just the named characters)https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eqcu5zyw668o31h/AACMO1VVmdcu-6m-WLHFzT9ia?dl=0

I think it's gone.

I can still hit it.

So can I, now. Sorcery! Purge the heretic!

**Ffyllotek**

I know someone answered about Mephrit and new Decurion not being compatable. However GW are selling the "Mephrit Reclaimation Decurion" pack. Cool name, or intent of rules?

**Nakor The BlueRider**

Its been some time since I've played 40k so whats is the effect of changing the Tesla Destructor from Assault to Heavy? Do it mean that if i move the A barge it can only snapshot or am I mixing up the rules?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Requizen wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Requizen wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
davethepak wrote:
All of this sounds exciting, lots of builds....although, I hope crons are not super powered.....I don't want to be the new eldar.

One note, on those wanting crypteks - if you want more than 3.....(yes, looking at the page right now, go up and find it).

Reclamation Legion 1+ - Core Fomation.
Royal court (0-1 PER Reclamation Legion). - Command Formation.
THEN you can take 1-10 Other (Auxiliary) Formations.

While you can take 10 formations of flayed ones/etc. If you want more than 3 crypteks,
(look at the page, before you say "I thought....")

So, if you want more than 3 Crypteks, they have a tax of a lot more....

Overally, happy with the book, but clearly, a few things need to be faq'ed.

The biggest disappointments for me, personally, are;
No 3+ save on ctan for normal dakka.
Fixing Ordnance effect on the monolith (being forced to snapshot secondary weapons).

Not quite. Looking at the chart, it seems the Canoptek Harvest, Triarch and destroyer detachements branch off to the others.

So you start with the Royal Court and Reclamation Legion THEN at least one of those and THEN you can use the other detachments.

That's not how it works.

Look at the three detachments under the Reclamation Legion and the Royal court. They all lead into a single stem that branches off into the other detachments.

The one from the book is laid out entirely differently. Look at the link from a couple pages back.

Ah thank you. So it's not as restrictive as I thought it would be.

**Vaktathi**

O_o

jesus, just read the Obelisk rules, you can choose to deploy it powered up or powered down, up means it acts normally, down means it can't move or shoot but gets a 3+ invul save, and you can choose to power it up at the start of any of your movement phases.

Which means that, unless deep striking it, it's always going to be deployed powered down to get that 3+ invul save and powered up at the start of the first Necron movement phase, on an AV14-all-round 6 HP unit with twenty S7 tesla shots a turn for the price of two barebones Leman Russ tanks.

Super glad they made that a Lord of War and not a Heavy Support unit...

**Eyjio**

Vaktathi wrote:
O_o

jesus, just read the Obelisk rules, you can choose to deploy it powered up or powered down, up means it acts normally, down means it can't move or shoot but gets a 3+ invul save, and you can choose to power it up at the start of any of your movement phases.

Which means that, unless deep striking it, it's always going to be deployed powered down to get that 3+ invul save and powered up at the start of the first Necron movement phase, on an AV14-all-round 6 HP unit with twenty S7 tesla shots a turn for the price of two barebones Leman Russ tanks.

Super glad they made that a Lord of War and not a Heavy Support unit...

I mean, you aren't wrong, it CAN fire 20 S7 shots, but the chance of ever realistically getting that off are slim to none. The firing arc is extremely restricted by the height of the model, and the guns all face different directions. More realistically, you're getting 10 shots off a turn. IMO, it's still worse than the equivalent in annihilation barges.

**Vaktathi**

Each orb can fire at a different target as it's a superheavy, so if it's Deep Striking it'll almost certainly be able to fire all four in most cases. Even at worse, you can angle it to typically get three at any single target (just like its pictured in its entry actually). Range might get finicky in that 20-24" range zone for all three, but wouldn't be hard to get 3 on a target typically.

**changemod**

Does the cheaper Command Barge with no Sweep rule open up the possibility of the shooty Command Barge?

Relic Flamer, Staff of Light, Gauss Cannon, Solar Thermesite, Phase Shifter. 5 S6 AP3 shots and a one off S8 AP2 ignores cover template.

Range pretty awful obviously.

**Ghaz**

vipoid wrote:
Requizen wrote:

The one from the book is laid out entirely differently. Look at the link from a couple pages back.

I can't find the link you're talking about.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eqcu5zyw668o31h/AACMO1VVmdcu-6m-WLHFzT9ia?dl=0#lh:null-IMG_20150127_123735.jpg