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 koooaei wrote:
Well, on the other hand...

Tzeentch's gift of change couldn't even hope to warp her face into something slightly less horrifying to look at, so I doubt that make up would do the trick.


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 Psienesis wrote:
... so, yes, she's basically an auto-include. More relics = more love.

My condolences to you then..

 koooaei wrote:
Well, on the other hand...

You can change Hair colour with Lipstick???

This is the "matching" art:



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Every Sister Dialogus seeks death in the emperor's name.

(by TirpitzLuincal, DeviantArt)

It'd take more than a bit of make-up to make that change...

fixed it

hahaha yeah pretty much.

I'm sure some painting skills could greatly improve the model, but then again:
Why would GW need to repaint any Sisters? It's not like they're being updated anytime soon =P

 thegreatchimp wrote:
Out of curiousity, what models do you think need to be re-released / updated the most?

Well theres probably others that are more urgent. But I would really like to have Kasrkin back - In plastic.

And while we are at it, remodel the Catachan's (who look really tough but in reality, are just as weak as regular guardsmen), Tallarn, Valhallan and Armageddon (the later 3 which each share out dated weapons - appearance wise).

Izob wrote:

 thegreatchimp wrote:
Out of curiousity, what models do you think need to be re-released / updated the most?

Well theres probably others that are more urgent. But I would really like to have Kasrkin back - In plastic.

And while we are at it, remodel the Catachan's (who look really tough but in reality, are just as weak as regular guardsmen), Tallarn, Valhallan and Armageddon (the later 3 which each share out dated weapons - appearance wise).

Well, on the other hand, one could argue that their 5+ armor comes from manly toughness. I mean, it's not from wearing armor, that's for sure.

Izob wrote:

But I would really like to have Kasrkin back - In plastic. And while we are at it, remodel the Catachan's (who look really tough but in reality, are just as weak as regular guardsmen), Tallarn, Valhallan and Armageddon (the later 3 which each share out dated weapons - appearance wise)

Amen to that. & it's quite surprising that it hasn't been done already. If all the regular guardsman squads were plasticised & @ €23 I'd imagine it would entice a lot of people to go out and buy themselves a new IG army. Maybe its a case of -as someone else mentioned with SOB -there'e stilll big stockpiles of the metals knocking around.


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All these Sister Dialogous's are cracking me up! I'm thinking of making a conversion of her riding on Nagash' shoulders. Old clown Nagash of course. It would serve as a tribute or shrine to terrible models. In fact I might use it as and objective marker.

Just sticking to chaos because its what I know best:

I don't think cult marines are that bad
Oblits & Mutilators (very bland flesh blob look)
Heldrake (gaping back end, too much dragon not enough daemon engine)
Culstists (need non snapfit models)
Chaos Lord in PA, Ideally multiple kits or one big kit to reflect his many options (current is some ancient sculpt that looks like it belongs in fantasy)
Terminators (look ok but the box has laughably few optional bits)
Abaddon & Typhus (both are dwarf termis)
Ahriman, Lucius, Fabius (old, more cartoony aesthetic)

All 4 greater daemons (old aesthetic, lack detail compared to modern stuff)
Flesh hounds/Karanak (cartoony)
Furies, beast of Nurgle (cartoony / lack detail)

and probably more I can't think of right now

Space marine scouts. Mr potato head belongs in Toy Story, not in my army...

Izob wrote:

 thegreatchimp wrote:
Out of curiousity, what models do you think need to be re-released / updated the most?

Well theres probably others that are more urgent. But I would really like to have Kasrkin back - In plastic.

And while we are at it, remodel the Catachan's (who look really tough but in reality, are just as weak as regular guardsmen), Tallarn, Valhallan and Armageddon (the later 3 which each share out dated weapons - appearance wise).

I just realized today that the Kasrkin model was no longer available, its one of my favorite models and sculpts, and I really hope it returns. I was using them for Gue'vesa conversions..

 BlackTalos wrote:
I don't usually take that model, because i play the squad she's in as pure Heavy Bolters, and this is so much prettier:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Battle-Sister-with-Heavy-Bolter

Well, almost...
Blame the paint scheme, they might at least update that with the current Shield of Baal....

Nicely painted heavy bolter Sisters are AWESOME AND THE BEST EVAR!

 The Wise Dane wrote:
Also, can I be a heretic for a moment here? I like the Dialogus model. It has a certain weird charm to it, what with those small metal googles and wide open yapper.

I really like her too. I should buy the model before it disappear. But I looked at other pictures on the internet, and she seems very, very hard to paint right. Parchments that really call for fake writings can do that to models.

I actually found cosplay of her:
It would be even more awesome if she did not forget to open her mouth wide, but I can understand how that would be an horrible pose to keep for a long time.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 The Wise Dane wrote:
Also, can I be a heretic for a moment here? I like the Dialogus model. It has a certain weird charm to it, what with those small metal googles and wide open yapper.

I really like her too. I should buy the model before it disappear. But I looked at other pictures on the internet, and she seems very, very hard to paint right. Parchments that really call for fake writings can do that to models.

I actually found cosplay of her:

Spoiler:

That poor wych put a nice effort, sure, but cannot compete with such awesomeness

It would be even more awesome if she did not forget to open her mouth wide, but I can understand how that would be an horrible pose to keep for a long time.

Godfreakingdamnitthat'sawesome.

I can see it now - A really, really insane preacher, standing there with the largest of large mouths and screaming out the words of the Emperor...

I suspect her to have an augmented throat to cope with the stress... Or maybe five, so she might switch them when worn out

Based on my long (though flawed memory) here are some models still in production that are now older than the average new player:

Late Rogue Trader -1992 or so
Space Wolf characters (Ragnar, maybe some others)
Eldar Jet Bikes (maybe 2nd edition)

2nd edition 1994-1998 or so
Phoenix Lords
Falcon
Vyper
BA characters
DA characters
Chaos SM Characters
Sisters of Battle
Preachers
Metal IG regiments

Early 3rd edition 1999 or so
Catachans
Khorne Bezerkers
Eldar Guardians

All of them are certainly due for a replacement.

To that I'd add some kits that are just terribad:
SM Commander (needs more options like a 2nd lightning claw, better posing)
Chaos Termis (for $50 they need to have all their weapon options, ALL OF THEM)
Cadians (so, so, so boring... so much worse than the metals)
Cult Chaos Marines (metal/finecast hybrid kits, over 10 years old)
Chapter custom kits (metal/finecast hybrid kits, over 10 years old)
All Imperial fliers since the Valkyrie (scrap them, use FW designs)
Tau crisis suits
Marine Dreadnauts (replace the angry washing machine with a furioso)
Tech marine (tiny little cyber arms+metal/finecast=no sale)

I think we all see a pattern here, GW neglecting core prodcuts like troops for fancy new toys. And we all know that if you neglect your core product line in the end everything falls apart.

GW made a major mistake around 2010 when they decided they'd no longer nick FW designs. FW does great stuff and since it's already out there creates expectations for what units should look like. I think a big problem with the Storm Raven etc is they tried too hard not to look like the great FW fliers already out there.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
I suspect her to have an augmented throat to cope with the stress... Or maybe five, so she might switch them when worn out

Well, her collar is a loud-speaker, and her staff is another loud-speaker that is linked to her back, so I guess it is extremely likely that she has an augmented throat too. She seems to enjoy making some noise!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Based on my long (though flawed memory) here are some models still in production that are now older than the average new player:

Late Rogue Trader -1992 or so
Space Wolf characters (Ragnar, maybe some others)
Eldar Jet Bikes (maybe 2nd edition)

2nd edition 1994-1998 or so
Phoenix Lords
Falcon
Vyper
BA characters
DA characters
Chaos SM Characters
Sisters of Battle
Preachers
Metal IG regiments

Early 3rd edition 1999 or so
Catachans
Khorne Bezerkers
Eldar Guardians

All of them are certainly due for a replacement.

To that I'd add some kits that are just terribad:
SM Commander (needs more options like a 2nd lightning claw, better posing)
Chaos Termis (for $50 they need to have all their weapon options, ALL OF THEM)
Cadians (so, so, so boring... so much worse than the metals)
Cult Chaos Marines (metal/finecast hybrid kits, over 10 years old)
Chapter custom kits (metal/finecast hybrid kits, over 10 years old)
All Imperial fliers since the Valkyrie (scrap them, use FW designs)
Tau crisis suits
Marine Dreadnauts (replace the angry washing machine with a furioso)
Tech marine (tiny little cyber arms+metal/finecast=no sale)

I think we all see a pattern here, GW neglecting core prodcuts like troops for fancy new toys. And we all know that if you neglect your core product line in the end everything falls apart.

GW made a major mistake around 2010 when they decided they'd no longer nick FW designs. FW does great stuff and since it's already out there creates expectations for what units should look like. I think a big problem with the Storm Raven etc is they tried too hard not to look like the great FW fliers already out there.

Agreed. And yeah FW designs are great and would probably be more affordable if gw picked them up and started making them.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Based on my long (though flawed memory) here are some models still in production that are now older than the average new player:

Late Rogue Trader -1992 or so
Space Wolf characters (Ragnar, maybe some others)
Eldar Jet Bikes (maybe 2nd edition)

2nd edition 1994-1998 or so
Phoenix Lords
Falcon
Vyper
BA characters
DA characters
Chaos SM Characters
Sisters of Battle
Preachers
Metal IG regiments

Early 3rd edition 1999 or so
Catachans
Khorne Bezerkers
Eldar Guardians

All of them are certainly due for a replacement.

To that I'd add some kits that are just terribad:
SM Commander (needs more options like a 2nd lightning claw, better posing)
Chaos Termis (for $50 they need to have all their weapon options, ALL OF THEM)
Cadians (so, so, so boring... so much worse than the metals)
Cult Chaos Marines (metal/finecast hybrid kits, over 10 years old)
Chapter custom kits (metal/finecast hybrid kits, over 10 years old)
All Imperial fliers since the Valkyrie (scrap them, use FW designs)
Tau crisis suits
Marine Dreadnauts (replace the angry washing machine with a furioso)
Tech marine (tiny little cyber arms+metal/finecast=no sale)

I think we all see a pattern here, GW neglecting core prodcuts like troops for fancy new toys. And we all know that if you neglect your core product line in the end everything falls apart.

GW made a major mistake around 2010 when they decided they'd no longer nick FW designs. FW does great stuff and since it's already out there creates expectations for what units should look like. I think a big problem with the Storm Raven etc is they tried too hard not to look like the great FW fliers already out there.

Whiled I'd agree with most of these, I think the Falcon has held up rather well, I still think its one of the best looking kits in the game.

I'm not a fan of those mid 90s Eldar tanks.

The air intakes, antennas and HUD display make them look too 21st century for me. Eldar tech should be shinny and smooth and so advanced they're indistinquishable from magic.

While the original epic Falcon was pretty poor the epic Wave Serpent design always seemed like a better direction to me.

Chaos Marines

Force Commander needs to be updated and made back into a plastic set and allowing you to customize the captain.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Force Commander needs to be updated and made back into a plastic set and allowing you to customize the captain.

Careful what you wish for- GW has been remaking the characters in plastic....

BairdEC wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Force Commander needs to be updated and made back into a plastic set and allowing you to customize the captain.

Careful what you wish for- GW has been remaking the characters in plastic....

The commander sprue is quite dated, and could use a re-cut though. It’s still not a bad selection of bits. But frankly if you want captains these days, I’d just grab the sternguard and vanguard veteran boxes and work from there. So many fancy bits, and between them, pretty much every option.

Considering how well they can pack things onto the sprues these days, the commander does smack of wasted potential. But I don’t see GW re-cutting it and making it viable, considering they would probably bump the price up a bit, and the other options out there. Why pay $22 for one captain when you can get 5 for $40-50?

Characters should be plastic. Metal models are a pain to convert or tweak. Its to the point where remaking characters using bits from other kits is better than the old metal models they sell.

I just hate metal models period, the more of them they phase out the better.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
Characters should be plastic. Metal models are a pain to convert or tweak. Its to the point where remaking characters using bits from other kits is better than the old metal models they sell. I just hate metal models period, the more of them they phase out the better.

My main issue with metals is is that paint is much more prone to flaking / chipping off them than it is with plastic. Protruding detail like knuckles, or extremeties that are prone to bending like staffs or tails would always chip on me even after a double coat of varnish.

There is a flip-side to that though -paint strips off them much easier than plastic or resin. Something I discovered while refurbishing 2nd hand figures.

Most eldar (sculpts are alright, just, can we have them in plastic?)
A box of Cultists, say, 10 to a box, with arms for autoguns or pistols
Sisters
Anything still in metal converted to plastic.

 thegreatchimp wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
Characters should be plastic. Metal models are a pain to convert or tweak. Its to the point where remaking characters using bits from other kits is better than the old metal models they sell. I just hate metal models period, the more of them they phase out the better.

My main issue with metals is is that paint is much more prone to flaking / chipping off them than it is with plastic. Protruding detail like knuckles, or extremeties that are prone to bending like staffs or tails would always chip on me even after a double coat of varnish.

There is a flip-side to that though -paint strips off them much easier than plastic or resin. Something I discovered while refurbishing 2nd hand figures.

I agree on both counts, just not a fan of metal myself.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Well, on the other hand...

You can change Hair colour with Lipstick???

This is the "matching" art:



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Every Sister Dialogus seeks death in the emperor's name.

(by TirpitzLuincal, DeviantArt)

Is Rosie O'Donnell getting money for this?

I'd give my left knee cap and right pinky toe for a box of plastic Mordian Iron Guard.

I always figured that that sister dialogus was supposed to have a speaker grille or some other augmetic grafted to her mouth. Plus it's a horrible paint job.

I've got a bunch of Kasrkin models as inquisitorial storm troopers, I love that design and was gutted (and bemused) when they withdrew it.

Fundamentally I don't understand why the keep inventing new, often stupid, units (looking at you Taurox), when there's so many unsupported lines out there that they could be revisiting.

Re-releasing cool new Tallarn, Vostoryan, etc could get people starting entirely new armies, rather than trying to persuade vets that they need to add some new unit that apparently existed all the time, but we just never saw before (looking at you Centurions)

/rant

I only play Tyranids, so I would really like an updated Carnifex, maybe some properly burly arms for the Brain Leeches?