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2014/12/15 07:43:50
Subject: Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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Hello Dakkadites,
Simple question here: Is the Grenadier upgrade for veteran squads worth it? It changes 5+ to 4+ (which is a big difference against bolters), but my vets are going to be inside a Chimera and if they're outside, ruins already provide 4+ cover. The upgrade is cheap but if it's not necessary I'd rather take a couple Grenade Launchers (fluff reasons, I don't care if they're considered bad).
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Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, but Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
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2014/12/15 07:46:47
Subject: Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If you believe cover is everywhere and you'll always get a save, then no, it's not that useful. If you ever don't want to have your vets cowering in cover, or your opponent ever brings cover-ignoring weapons that are Ap5, then it's useful.
I sometimes ran grenadiers vets even in chimeras. That +1Sv came in really handy when their transport exploded. It was sometimes the difference between a bunch of guys with lasguns getting killed and all of those guys and then the sergeant or some special weapons also getting killed.
And that was back when it cost 30 points. Now...
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2014/12/15 07:52:00
Subject: Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Definitely worth it if you are taking plasma guns. Generally worth it if you expect you guys to leave there chimeras (which you probably should)
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2014/12/15 10:00:36
Subject: Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Yep, definitely worth it. Doubling your survivability against most small arms in the game for just 10 points is huge!
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2014/12/15 10:25:46
Subject: Re:Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Dakka Veteran
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Isn't the mobile bunker times of Chimera are over?
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2014/12/15 10:38:25
Subject: Re:Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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More of a mobile wreckage.
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2014/12/15 12:10:01
Subject: Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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I use it if I'm running plasma - since friendly fire is a real issue.
However, I've taken to not giving it to my other squads, unless I plan to put a HQ choice in them.
 Paradigm wrote:Yep, definitely worth it. Doubling your survivability against most small arms in the game for just 10 points is huge!
15pts.
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 blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
 the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
 insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2014/12/15 12:33:14
Subject: Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Ah, got confused with the Camp Cloaks! Still better than the 30 points I used to pay for that.
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2014/12/15 12:44:23
Subject: Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Paradigm wrote:Ah, got confused with the Camp Cloaks! Still better than the 30 points I used to pay for that.
Oh, indeed.
Out of interest though, what do you think of the other two doctrines?
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2014/12/15 13:15:38
Subject: Grenadier Upgrade for Veterans
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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 vipoid wrote: Paradigm wrote:Ah, got confused with the Camp Cloaks! Still better than the 30 points I used to pay for that.
Oh, indeed.
Out of interest though, what do you think of the other two doctrines?
Honestly, they're all decent. Camp Cloaks behind an ADL make great line holders, and god help any MC or tank that comes near a unit with demolitions and Meltaguns. If I only take one, though, it's carapace armour every time.
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