The simplest, best ally chart ever?

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**Sir Arun**

So Fantasy Flight Games has designed an ally chart for ther TCG/boardgame "Warhammer 40k: Conquest"

Bascially your faction can only ally with the faction to its adjacent (left or right). Simple. Clean. Effective.

Nids can't ally with anyone, and Crons....still gotta think about that one.

I would class SOB, Imperial Knights and GK as the Space Marine faction, and Chaos Daemons as the Chaos Faction.

That way everyone would be covered.

Thoughts?

**jhe90**

Chaos, dark eldar?

What about whole soul wanted by hungry chaos god.
Don,t see them exactly working with noise marines.

**Psienesis**

Sisters? Ally with Xenos? Are you nuts?

**Talys**

Hmm... The simplicity is appealing, bur there are some wierd allies like IG+Ork or SM+Tau.

It would be better to strip out all IoM (can ally with each other), leave tyranids alone, and have a U shaped chain with Chaos and Necron in the two ends having one ally each as they don't play well with others. Still, I'm not sure how this is better than the current system, as the hate level between certain factions is not just black and white.

**Desubot**

Hmmm i dont think it should ever be as black and white as Tau will help sm but not eldar.

It should be Imperium factions can fully ally within them selves. never with chaos.

Chaos factions can fully ally within them selves (and add another imperial guard there) never with imperium

Eldar and dark eldar can fully ally with them selves.
Never with chaos (because the whole slannesh thing)

Orks Tau and Necrons can ally as Convenience

Nids are 100% no go for allies. (with multi cad it doesn't matter anymore)

Oh and it should get wonky with inquisitors.

**Sir Arun**

Psienesis wrote:
Sisters? Ally with Xenos? Are you nuts?

It's already a thing in the current rulebook.

But I'd rather have them ally with Tau (whose souls are voids, or bare flickers in the warp, after all) than the Eldar, of all xenos. (witch hunters hello)

**EVIL INC**

Historically, the guard DID have dealings with some orks. This is an aspect of the fluff that has been glossed over.

**Sir Arun**

EDIT: and yeah personally I'd swap Chaos and Orks around to symbolize renegade guard, while giving Dark Eldar the chance to ally with Orks.

**Talys**

Desubot wrote:
Hmmm i dont think it should ever be as black and white as Tau will help sm but not eldar.

It should be Imperium factions can fully ally within them selves. never with chaos.

Chaos factions can fully ally within them selves (and add another imperial guard there) never with imperium

Eldar and dark eldar can fully ally with them selves.
Never with chaos (because the whole slannesh thing)

Orks Tau and Necrons can ally as Convenience

Nids are 100% no go for allies. (with multi cad it doesn't matter anymore)

Oh and it should get wonky with inquisitors.

Uhhhh yeah, but we're getting close to the current chart again

**Desubot**

Sir Arun wrote:
EDIT: and yeah personally I'd swap Chaos and Orks around to symbolize renegade guard, while giving Dark Eldar the chance to ally with Orks.

Its never going to be a simple rock paper sissor shotgun pentagram.

Nor should single instances of sisters allying with orks or whatever sillyness dictate that they always act that way. (like Tau and SM. or BA NEC)

Edit: Well the current chart works mostly.

it covers the majority of what can and "should" rather than what did.

If anything there should be no allies.

**generalchaos34**

Sir Arun wrote:
Psienesis wrote:
Sisters? Ally with Xenos? Are you nuts?

It's already a thing in the current rulebook.

But I'd rather have them ally with Tau (whose souls are voids, or bare flickers in the warp, after all) than the Eldar, of all xenos. (witch hunters hello)

I follow the line for sisters that if it isnt human its put to the torch. Thats it. Sisters are the most fanatic of all Imperial Froces, to the point of suicidal destruction. The sororitas barely ally with imperial forces as is. As much as i like Tau and they are the "friendliest" of the races, the feelings are rarely reciprocated. I for one have a problem with SM allying with Tau (only Ultramarines because they have done it before and they consider them to be honorable and worthy combatants) but I dont see a problem with them allying with Imperial Guard, and have always questioned why they never let them do that (they always maintain the PDFs on conquered human worlds, and back in "the day" you could take imperial guard squads called Gue'vesa which was 10 guardsman with the option of giving the sgt. a markerlight or a pulserifle. They were great as fodder and cheap markerlight campers)

**BoomWolf**

There is still a Gue'vesa unit in IA3 2ED, but its so unfluffly bad its not funny (they are like platoon guard, except in teams of 6-12 and no weapon options except team leader pulse rifle-so strictly speedbumps, as if the tau has the manpower to recruit human cannon fodder?)

**Kilkrazy**

Personally I disagree with the basic idea of allies as implemented in 6th/7th edition 40K.

However if you are going to have it, I would have said the Tau and IG are more likely to ally with each other than the Tau and Xenos hating SMs. Of course that forces the Xenos hating SMs to be next to some other hated Xenos, so there is no way to make it work.

Perhaps the concept is that the Tau will ally with anyone except Orks until their naivete is exposed to the cruel nature of everyone else in 40K except the Eldar.

**generalchaos34**

BoomWolf wrote:
There is still a Gue'vesa unit in IA3 2ED, but its so unfluffly bad its not funny (they are like platoon guard, except in teams of 6-12 and no weapon options except team leader pulse rifle-so strictly speedbumps, as if the tau has the manpower to recruit human cannon fodder?)

Straight up Guardsmen with regular guard equipment would have been more fluffy but i dont disagree with the write up. They are fanatical supporters of the greater good who are not trusted with advanced tech. And since the Tau always put Tau first, it makes perfect sense to have them as cannon fodder, not only are they cleaning up some non-Tau, they are achieving their goals with self sacrifice, its a win win for the greater good!

**Mr Morden**

jhe90 wrote:
Chaos, dark eldar?

What about whole soul wanted by hungry chaos god.
Don,t see them exactly working with noise marines.

Dark Eldar will exploit, sorry work with many races if it amuses them and they can get souls and slaves

Pretty much all races have allied in abttle with the others - I can't recall any time Sisters have fought alongside Xenos in the fluff but if an Inquisitor told them too - well they should tow the line like Astartes shoudl............

Sisters are also plenty happy to fight alongside other Imperials - they may have views on them but they are humans serving Him

**Ratius**

Its not perfect but I like the simplicity, I think the U shaped open ended one as suggested above is a cool idea.

**TheSilo**

Get rid of allies, problem solved.

**Desubot**

I feel like its almost possible to make an evil pentagram chart instead of a you or a circle.

But the simplest solution would just be to kill allies because there is only war.

**Talys**

Desubot wrote:
I feel like its almost possible to make an evil pentagram chart instead of a you or a circle.

But the simplest solution would just be to kill allies because there is only war.

Well, some of the allies (like between Imperium of Man, and between Dark Eldar and Eldar) actually make quite a bit of sense.

I would get rid of CTA alliances though.