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Ok, I've been running into the following unit and I am having an insanely difficult time dealing with it with my GKs.

2 Ironhands Chapter Masters on bikes. One with the Shield Eternal, one with regular SS, both with TH and Artificer Armor.

The above guys are stuck in a Ravenwing Command squad along with a DA Librarian on a bike.

The two chapter masters are always up front and have each other be the closest model so they can LoS to each other. They have IWND and FnP from the Ravenwing Apothecary, and even if I kill the Apothecary they still have 6+ FnP for being Ironhands.

The only solution I can come up with, that has a realistic chance of working, is just to run as many GK librarians as possible and hope for multiple VoD so I can hammer them with a bunch of StrD templates and pin them in place with the impassable terrain a Vortex creates.

Forfeit and play a new opponent?

You could ally in your own chapter master(s) and do a similar thing with a unit of gk terminators...cept you have sanctuary. 2++ stormshields gogogo

 Grey Templar wrote:
Ok, I've been running into the following unit and I am having an insanely difficult time dealing with it with my GKs.

2 Ironhands Chapter Masters on bikes. One with the Shield Eternal, one with regular SS, both with TH and Artificer Armor.

The above guys are stuck in a Ravenwing Command squad along with a DA Librarian on a bike.

The two chapter masters are always up front and have each other be the closest model so they can LoS to each other. They have IWND and FnP from the Ravenwing Apothecary, and even if I kill the Apothecary they still have 6+ FnP for being Ironhands.

The only solution I can come up with, that has a realistic chance of working, is just to run as many GK librarians as possible and hope for multiple VoD so I can hammer them with a bunch of StrD templates and pin them in place with the impassable terrain a Vortex creates.

Do those guys have Hit and Run? (I'm not that familiar with DA) If so, try to hit the unit from behind to kill off the DA until they lose hit and run. Neither of the Chaptermasters has that many attacks, you might be able to tarpit them. (If you have Inquisition or SoB allies Rerollable 3++ works pretty well).

Really, either way, hit the unit from behind and make them lose the extra guys. Other than the librarian who can also LOS! they should be easier to deal with.

Or what I would probably end up doing is take an army of cheaper units, accept that one will die each turn and try to wipe out the rest of his forces and score objectives. His deathstar can't be everywhere at once and it's got to be what like, half his army pointswise?

This is very simple.
Stomp attacks.

Or take my previous idea of rerollable 3++, make it 2++ with sanctuary and take enough psykers to fish for invisibilty, see how fun it is for your friend to have to roll a 6 in order to try to force you to roll two 1s just so he can remove a 15 point model.

Hang out at Reece's store and complain about them until he changes the rules of 40k with a "vote" and presto the problem is solved.

Demolisher Cannon.

If that doesn't work, use more Demolisher Cannon.

Ally in Space Wolves, use any Helfrost weapon equipped units you can, and use the 'Sequencing' rule (BRB pg 17) to resolve the Helfrost effect before he can resolve any other effects/saves. Throw in the 'Battle of Keylek' Legacy of Glory (IA2) to negate Jinks.

"Oh yeah, you shrugged off the wound...Too bad you were a popsicle before that happened..."

Just play around it. 2 CM on bikes cost like 500 pts alone.

Verviedi wrote:
Demolisher Cannon.

If that doesn't work, use more Demolisher Cannon.

This. Multiple Demolisher Cannons have never not solved my problems.

Don't Grey Knights have a lot of Instant Death available to them at range and in melee? Use some of that. It negates FNP and IWND doesn't apply if the model is dead.

Is your opponent avoiding you and shooting or using psychic powers? Or are they getting into close combat? If you can get close to them, some dreadknights would help. If the issue is getting close, send some of the teleporting GK, interceptors are they? Drop some interceptors behind them, one with an incinerator perhaps. Dealing with the librarian is important, especially if he gets a destruction focused power.

With a tamp used to flatten soil.

Farsight bomb. Farsight, a barebones buffcommander, and 7 dual plasma bodyguards is only a bit over 700 pts. Deep strike and blast away.

Is tarpit an option? Or do they have hit and run

DarthDiggler wrote:
Hang out at Reece's store and complain about them until he changes the rules of 40k with a "vote" and presto the problem is solved.

Was someone going to run an invisibility deathstar list at LVO?

Take Draigo and a sizeable unit of Paladins, and hit them with hammers. Also, take Dreadknights, and hit them with really big swords. If they run from you, shoot them a bunch.

Granted, positioning will be important, but Paladins have good shooting and Dreadknights are fast enough to get around the Chapter Masters and they'll drop bikes. Without knowing the rest of your opponent's list, it's hard to say what else you'll need to deal with though. Grey Knights aren't really a powerhouse right now.

DarthDiggler wrote:
Hang out at Reece's store and complain about them until he changes the rules of 40k with a "vote" and presto the problem is solved.

Awww, did your piddly widdly little invisibility get nerfed...

Weight of fire. T5? Who cares? Unload on the unit with enough firepower to force failed saves.

So that unit has 8 wounds at T5 2+/3++, 7 wounds at 3+ presumably and FnP

So at BS4, that would take 6 * 8 + 7 * 3 = 69 * 2.25 (BS4, FnP) = 155ish bolter shots. (Granted if you can drop the apothecary first that's more like 100.)

Er... I left out the to wound roll. That's 300-450 bolter shots to bring down that unit. LOL.

The solution to this and every other elite infantry problem:

 changerofways wrote:
Is tarpit an option? Or do they have hit and run

Ravenwing have hit and run.

Stomp attacks should do it, if you have a model which will live long enough to stomp (with 10 WS5 thunder hammer attacks on the charge, I don't trust a knight to do so).

To be fair, this is a unit which is of titan-level points value; it's hardly unreasonable to use a titan on it!


Another option to dealing with this kind of thing: Stormravens. I don't suggest they can necessarily kill it, but just get into the stormravens and make rude gestures at them from low altitude where they can't do anything to hurt you.

Allied Dark Eldar. 12x BS4 4+ Poison Shots per Venom solves all TO-based unit problems.

Demolisher Cannon vs Eternal Warrior and a 3++? So If you don't scatter off you've got a 5/6 chance of wounding followed by a 1/3 of getting through his save, he then has a 1/3 chance of regenerating that wound back. Yeah good luck.

My friend runs something similar but has one with Gorgon's Chains and one with Shield Eternal. Unfortunately I don't play my Grey Knights much so I can't give you any pointers of my own :( My Nids deal with them just fine though!

I do like the idea of allying in a couple of your own IH CMs with 2 GK Libbys and just cheesing it with sanctuary. Imperial Knights with the D and Stomp attacks are pretty good at killing them too.

Unfortunately I don't have any Str10 shooting.

This unit tends to get into melee, after shooting me with Plasma talons and a Stasis shell, and if its going poorly then they hit and run away. But it never goes poorly.

If they attack a Dreadknight, the guy with the Shield Eternal challenges and I flail uselessly against him while everyone gets to still hit the DK.


The only time I actually killed this unit was with my Imperial Knight rolling a 6 on the stomp, but they killed the knight at the same time. And this was after they had already ravaged 1 Dreadknight and 9/10 of a terminator squad. Fortunately I was able to Gate out of melee and save my squad and my Warlord.

I guess I could try swapping my heavy incinerators on my DKs for heavy psylincers. I can easily pop to where the EW guy isn't the closest.

As for the rest of the list these guys are in. Its basically 3 scout squads in LSS, a DA Vet squad with 5 meltas in a pod, and 2 TFCs. Due to the missions we use(they're custom missions) I usually cannot ignore this unit and just kill everything else.

Does he bring the rest of the stuff needed to take those two CM?

As with alot of suppliments you cannot take relics from both if its within the same detachment.

Also a fun one would be a macro cannon. with a vindicare .

Oh and for good messure hit them with enfeeble.

I almost ran an Aquila Strongpoint, but its a lot of points.

Play with MSU

3 squads of 3 acolytes + 25 point inquisitor * X where X is the number you can fit into the points value of the game.

Well it also depends on the rest of his lists.

we know the bomb but what support does he have?

Hit it with 3 dreadknights. Youll Win.