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When I first heard about this, I thought it was someone copying what happened in Elementary the day before.

sirlynchmob wrote:

On another side note, the life of doctors matter. probably one of the most noblest of professions. Yet when they make mistakes we hold them accountable, we sue them, other doctors review them, and if they mess up bad enough they lose their job forever.

Yet police, when they make mistakes they're hailed as hero's with no accountability and if they lose their job to incompetence, they just go work someplace else. Worst of all when they make a mistake, great lengths are made to blame the victim.

By overgeneralizing, you make a false claim. A mistake isn't the same mistake all the time. A mistake a doctor does is only attributed to him and his work, it's a completely different thing when it comes to incidents with police officers. Just take the case with the dead 12 year old as an example. While it was the officer who shot, it was the kid who decided to do not comply and reach for a weapon. This isn't blaming the victim if you have a close look at it, as a "victim" usually has no bearing in the outcome.

Two More Cops Shot After Yesterday's Brutal New York "Execution"

Just a day after the premeditated execution of two NYPD officers in New York by a deranged, suicidal psychopath, two more police officers have been shot in America today. In St.Louis, an off-duty officer was shot multiple times and remains in critical condition while in Tarpon Springs, Florida, 45-year-old officer Charles Kondek - a 17-year-veteran and father of 5 children - was shot and killed early Sunday morning.

As Fox Boston reports,


Florida authorities say a police officer was shot and killed in Tarpon Springs early Sunday.



Florida authorities say a police officer was shot and killed in Tarpon Springs early Sunday.
The Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said in a statement that police have arrested 23-year-old Marco Antonio Parilla Jr. on suspicion of first-degree murder.

The Tarpon Springs Police Department identified the fallen officer as 45-year-old Charles Kondek, a 17-year veteran of the local police department. Originally from New York, Kondek had previously served on the New York City Police Department for more than five years.



An off-duty St. Louis police officer was shot multiple times Friday. It happened near the intersection of Breman Avenue and North 25th Street at approximately 3:55 p.m.
Captain Michael Sack says the victim, a 28-year-old man with four years experience with the department, is in critical stable condition with injuries that are believed to be non-life threatening. Capt. Sack says the officer was shot several times in his lower extremities.

"An off duty officer had been driving down this street in his personal vehicle when he came across an occupant or occupants in another vehicle," described Capt. Sack. "We don't know what transpired, but the occupant or occupants of that other vehicle opened fire at the officer."
The officer was in surgery Friday evening, so the department says it wouldn't be able to interview him until Saturday.

And you know what's going to happen? Both sides are going to blame this on one-another, and nothing will happen to stop this cycle. As usual.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
And you know what's going to happen? Both sides are going to blame this on one-another, and nothing will happen to stop this cycle. As usual.

As Ian Fleming wrote, "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action." Let's just hope that America's SWATified police forces don't decide that the time for war against enemies domestic has finally come, because as we noted previously in "Across America, Police Departments Are Quietly Preparing For War", they most certainly are ready:

Last I checked most police departments didn't have many machine guns. Some do have submachine guns, but I haven't seen any photos of police going around with actual machine guns.

That's interesting that they include "lights and accessories" in with night vision pieces. Certainly a great way to beef up the number as much as possible. I wonder if they consider ACOGs to be a "night vision piece" too.

And ooh, look at all the empty magazines. Wow, how scary.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not big on the militarization of police either, but that diagram is, quite frankly, foolish.

Crew serve weapons like a M240/M249/50 cal you mean

 Hordini wrote:


And ooh, look at all the empty magazines. Wow, how scary.

Yea it isn't as if they're going to fill them with bullets, I mean they have other uses, don't they ?

Machine gun is a pretty meaningless word. As defined by Mirriam-Webster, it just means a weapon which can fire many bullets rapidly. Any semi-automatic weapon would easily qualify by that.

Well, colloquially, it either means a large fully automatic weapon (think the brownings), or all fully automatic weapons.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Machine gun is a pretty meaningless word. As defined by Mirriam-Webster, it just means a weapon which can fire many bullets rapidly. Any semi-automatic weapon would easily qualify by that.

If we narrow it down to fire many rounds rapidly with a single prolonged pull of the trigger, I think that will be a sufficient definition.

No, thats the definition of an Automatic weapon. Not a Machine gun.

From google:

machine gun
noun
1. an automatic gun that fires bullets in rapid succession for as long as the trigger is pressed.
"machine-gun fire"

Alternatively a Jimi Hendrix song.

Also, unless you can pull the trigger 500 times a minute, no semi-automatic is gonna be regarded as a machine gun.

Automatic weapon capable of rapid, sustained fire, usually 500–1,000 rounds per minute.

Google isn't a definition reference.

 Grey Templar wrote:
No, thats the definition of an Automatic weapon. Not a Machine gun.

The thing is, the way people use term are often quite different than their actual meaning. People refer to them as machine guns, because that's what they think when you say machine gun. It's like "assault rifle", a selective fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Even if it does not strictly fit those terms (i.e. no fully automaic), some guns are still refereed to as assault rifles. Or factoid, originally it was n assumption or speculation that is reported and repeated so often that it becomes accepted as fact, now it's just trivial information.

And, according to wikipedia at least, a machine gun is a fully automatic mounted or portable firearm, usually designed to fire bullets in quick succession from an ammunition belt or magazine, typically at a rate of three to eighteen hundred rounds per minute.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Google isn't a definition reference.

Do you not understand how the internet works, or are you being obtuse?

 Grey Templar wrote:
Google isn't a definition reference.

But the Oxford dictionary definition is and it says:

A gun (originally mounted but now also hand-held) which is mechanically loaded and fired, and is capable of continuous fire.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Google isn't a definition reference.

But the Oxford dictionary definition is and it says:

A gun (originally mounted but now also hand-held) which is mechanically loaded and fired, and is capable of continuous fire.

A semi-automatic weapon is capable of continuous fire. You just need to continuously pull the trigger. And any modern fire arm is mechanically loaded, and all weapons are mechanically fired.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Google isn't a definition reference.

But the Oxford dictionary definition is and it says:

A gun (originally mounted but now also hand-held) which is mechanically loaded and fired, and is capable of continuous fire.

A semi-automatic weapon is capable of continuous fire. You just need to continuously pull the trigger. And any modern fire arm is mechanically loaded, and all weapons are mechanically fired.

That's not continuous fire. At this point you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

A gun (originally mounted but now also hand-held) which is [b]mechanically loaded and fired, and is capable of continuous fire.[/b]

machine gun
noun
1. an automatic gun that fires bullets in rapid succession for as long as the trigger is pressed.
"machine-gun fire"

Figure I want to identify some key wording

It'll be interesting to see what happens at the funerals of these officers. I wonder if any protestors will see that things are not right, either, that these men are getting killed and show up at the funeral in a show of healing.
I can hope this could somehow lead to good things.

Lets keep in mind the incident in florida has nothing to do with anything else.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/caged-rat-man-shoots-kills-runs-over-florida-police-officer-n272566

Also he's been arrested already, and I bet they have enough evidence already to indict him. After just a few minutes even, shouldn't they take a month or so to gather all the evidence before going to the grand jury? It's to soon, maybe the won't have enough evidence to indict him.

 Hordini wrote:


And ooh, look at all the empty magazines. Wow, how scary.
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Someone hasnt played metal gear solid

sirlynchmob wrote:
Lets keep in mind the incident in florida has nothing to do with anything else.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/caged-rat-man-shoots-kills-runs-over-florida-police-officer-n272566

Also he's been arrested already, and I bet they have enough evidence already to indict him. After just a few minutes even, shouldn't they take a month or so to gather all the evidence before going to the grand jury? It's to soon, maybe the won't have enough evidence to indict him.

Perhaps, but think of the chance to raise the moral level of the whole current situation. I hope both sides are considering this.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Hordini wrote:


And ooh, look at all the empty magazines. Wow, how scary.
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Someone hasnt played metal gear solid

Unsure if their 20 or 30 round mags?
Are they including 9mm mags to?

Jihadin wrote:Crew serve weapons like a M240/M249/50 cal you mean

Yes, those are actual machine guns.

loki old fart wrote:

 Hordini wrote:


And ooh, look at all the empty magazines. Wow, how scary.

Yea it isn't as if they're going to fill them with bullets, I mean they have other uses, don't they ?

I don't care if they're filled with bullets or not. There is nothing scary about the number of magazines a police department has, especially considering the vast majority of police weapons take magazines. Every single armed officer in the country is going to be using at least two or three magazines at any time. Of course there are going to be a lot of magazines, and the idea that that is supposed to be shocking or scary is ridiculous.

How about the idea that the Police think they need to use at least two to three magazines at any time on Civilians?

 loki old fart wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
And you know what's going to happen? Both sides are going to blame this on one-another, and nothing will happen to stop this cycle. As usual.

As Ian Fleming wrote, "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action." Let's just hope that America's SWATified police forces don't decide that the time for war against enemies domestic has finally come, because as we noted previously in "Across America, Police Departments Are Quietly Preparing For War", they most certainly are ready:

Oh, yeah, they're totally planning on upping the police brutality, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the military giving them stuff basically for free in large quantities. Must be a halliburton conspiracy to keep up the military industrial complex's profits now that Iraq and Afghanistan are winding down.

ebery single one of the people wholiked that post should be shot in the head. If possible I would volunteer to do so.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
ebery single one of the people wholiked that post should be shot in the head. If possible I would volunteer to do so.

Whoa there buddy... I believe #BlueLivesMatter too, but the proper response is to point out the ridiculousness of that mindset.

Things like when ever DaBlasio appears, the police physically turns their back to him. That's the right way to do this.

 Dreadwinter wrote:
How about the idea that the Police think they need to use at least two to three magazines at any time on Civilians?

What if they ever have to deal with a violent encounter involving more than one person? Or do you think officers should just be issued one bullet, similar to Barney Fife, to ensure that they never have the proper tools to deal with anything. Would you feel comfortable potentially going into harm's way with a single magazine? If you knew you might have to go into a fight with more than one person, who could easily all be armed, alone, with backup potentially minutes away, would you really want only one magazine?