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In the Fox news video, you can even hear it's still "till killer cop", emphasis on TILL, which would make no sense for the narrative fox might be pushing. Then again Fox is a load of bs and anyone with half a brain knows to go heavy on the salt with them so w/e.

I'm also not surprised at cinceys link because there will be feths chanting that too. Which doesn't stop the fact Fox tried to present a different video like that.

 dogma wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

The root cause is easy, the inherent racism in America.

Don't forget systemic poverty.

This. I'm willing to bet that if people found figures comparing crime rates to poverty, then cross-referenced that data with the data comparing crime to race, you'd see that the majority of those crimes are actually a direct cause of poverty, rather than race.

Poverty leads to a lack of community, lack of activities for young people to do etc. This can all lead to gang culture as people try to find somewhere that they belong, somewhere that they feel part of a community or to drugs as people search for ways to escape from their situation.

Poverty is the main source of crime.

NY police officer suspended after new video shows brutality
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/20/us-usa-new-york-police-idUSKBN0JX23J2014

(Reuters) - A New York City police officer who appears to punch a black youth during an arrest that was captured on video and widely circulated on the Internet has been suspended from duty, the department said on Friday.

The posting of the footage follows weeks of protests across the country over recent cases of police violence toward unarmed black men, including one in which a New York City man died after an officer placed him in a banned chokehold.

In the eight-minute video posted on YouTube on Wednesday, a plainclothes white officer can be seen rushing up to several uniformed officers struggling to handcuff a black youth and apparently striking him at least twice. Police said the suspect is 16 years old.

Several bystanders, including the person filming the altercation, yell at the officer to stop. The footage then shows a second person, who onlookers tell police is a 12-year-old boy, being handcuffed.

As the boys are led away to patrol vehicles, one can be heard asking the officers: "What did we do? Can I hear what we did?"

The boys were being arrested on suspicion of assaulting someone and using a cane in the attack, police said.

Police did not say when the arrests occurred but the person who posted the video footage said they happened on Wednesday.

Police said that a review by the Internal Affairs Bureau into the allegations was ongoing.
(Reporting by Laila Kearney; Additional reporting by Curtis Skinner; Editing by Richard Chang)

Poverty leads to a lack of community, lack of activities for young people to do etc.

I don't buy off on either of those premises at all. Around the globe there are and have been poor areas that have and have had a strong sense of community (including here int he US). And I've been to places where US poverty would equate to living like a king, and even in those places kids find stuff to do and there can be very strong communities. There are plenty of areas without organized/publicly funded activities that are not gang hot beds.

Calling poverty the main source of crime? I don't buy it. Plenty of rich criminals, middle class kids that turn to vandalism and other crimes, and poor folks who are honest. Poverty can undoubtedly be a contributing factor, but it is not the 'main source' by any means.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
So are we, within the US of A, dealing with a "War of Cops" situation now?

As much as we are dealing with a "War on Black Men". We love war, after all, and there is no problem we can't turn into a war: war on drugs, war on poverty, war on terrorism, war on crime, ect ect. It is all war all the time!

Of course all this will go in the back burner once Obama signs a certain Bill that would allow the Fort Hood Shooter wounded to get the Purple Heart.

Yep. people kill. only way to stop people killing is to kill them. its a never ending circle of killing. well, never ending until someone high up goes "Feth this gak" and explodes the world.

My sympathy is rapidly reaching beyond absolute zero...

CNN Reporter: Protesters Crashed Memorial for Slain NYPD Cops, ‘Started Yelling at Groups of Police’

 whembly wrote:
My sympathy is rapidly reaching beyond absolute zero...

CNN Reporter: Protesters Crashed Memorial for Slain NYPD Cops, ‘Started Yelling at Groups of Police’

Mine hit in the negatives when they started with "Dead Cops" rant

Mine ended when they started to demolish and plunder their own town to "riot". Genius.

So dead civilians didn't raise your eye brow but dead cops gets your motor running?

 Ahtman wrote:
So dead civilians didn't raise your eye brow but dead cops gets your motor running?

Think I've seen enough dead civilians and dead service members to last four life times. I don't see LEO departments advocating deaths like some protesters are.

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forgot the dead insurgents to

The rift is that wide ?

 Ahtman wrote:
So dead civilians didn't raise your eye brow but dead cops gets your motor running?

You are correct. I also remember two police officers coming on to a kid sitting on his tricycle, them pulling their guns and shooting him.

 loki old fart wrote:


The rift is that wide ?

Yes
Did not see the video of all the LEO turning their back on De Blasio at City Hall?

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
So dead civilians didn't raise your eye brow but dead cops gets your motor running?

You are correct. I also remember two police officers coming on to a kid sitting on his tricycle, them pulling their guns and shooting him.

Considering this is the internet and it is OT it is hard to tell whether this is sarcasm or not. If you read this thread, and the others, one would get the false impression that there is always an excuse for the killing of civies and that all protest is made up of rioters and killers. There is a complete lack of sympathy towards dead civilians at the hands of the state but suddenly there is moral outrage and indignation when cops are killed. It is a systemic problem effecting everyone.

It is one if you perceive the situation to be as you described. I haven't seen a single person here in DD OT claiming or portraying a lack of empathy / pity towards any dead civilian in the recent events. The fact that I, among others, consider rioting by destroying your own town as endlessly stupid and infantile is not sign of a lack of understanding or feeling with the dead children's family / families, it's assessing a reaction to an event.

Furthermore, you oversimplify the issue and then, as a consequence, make mistakes. The situations aren't comparable because the reasons aren't comparable.

The 12 year old was shot because he resisted a police officer's orders and was about to reach for a gun in his pants, forcing the officer to either shoot the kid or risk being shot himself. It's not a murder.

The insane, disgusting scum walking up to a police car and shooting two fully innocent police officers is cold blooded murder.

Those are two vastly different situations and should be treated as such. It's not "dead civilian vs. dead police officer". It's "non-murder vs. murder".

Furthermore, I cannot remember any police officers openly mocking the dead children at their funeral / rememberance.

 Ahtman wrote:
. There is a complete lack of sympathy towards dead civilians at the hands of the state but suddenly there is moral outrage and indignation when cops are killed. It is a systemic problem effecting everyone.

Not always, and not all users. Obviously, I can only speak for myself, but I've seen other users voice largely the same opinions as me. Situations like the Garner case are tragic, and there SHOULD be sympathy towards his family, there SHOULD have been repercussions for the individual officer who violated policy and took actions that could ultimately have lead to the death of another human being. I have little to no sympathy towards Mike Brown in Missouri, because the forensics and "verifiable" eye-witness testimony shows that he was a dumbass and lost his life in the commission of several crimes, and the officer on the scene was defending his life.

I have sympathy towards the NYPD officers who were slain this past week, because they were simply doing their job, and have no connection to any other incident, other than wearing the same color uniform and same style badge as the Garner killer.



I think that, for many of us posting here, different situations call for sympathy to be directed in certain places, and others, not so much.


@Sigvatr, IIRC, there's been, in several of the "rioting" threads, posters who have pointed out, and shown evidence that the looters and rioters/people who are destroying community properties, etc. are not actually local to that community. It's certainly not universal, but it would seem that the larger portion of destruction is caused by people who legitimately do not care about the community, because they aren't there every day.

 whembly wrote:
My sympathy is rapidly reaching beyond absolute zero...

CNN Reporter: Protesters Crashed Memorial for Slain NYPD Cops, ‘Started Yelling at Groups of Police’

the blaze LOL, they're worse than fox "news"
From the actual transcript,
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1412/22/cg.02.html

But I have to say, I want to make this clear that all day today, we have been here, we have heard none of that here at this memorial. We've seen quite actually the opposite. We've seen community members coming here and shaking hands with police officers, giving them hugs. We've seen groups of officers, NYPD, showing up all day to pay their respects. They are lighting candles side by side with the community. They're interacting, they are showing support to each other. There is one instance that I saw today that was very representative of

the whole day, the whole afternoon, and that was a woman who came with a note for the son of one of the slain police officers, and the note simply said, "Jaden, your father did nothing wrong." She was having trouble getting that note up onto the brick wall, because it was hard to tape onto brick. And a police officer stepped out and grabbed some duct tape and actually helped her tape it to the wall. It was really symbolic of the afternoon.

@Sigvatr, It is murder vs murder, the guy who shot the cops was never arrested, never indited, never charged, as he's innocent until proven guilty obviously the cops were in the 'non murder' catagory. If the cops killing civilians especially innocent bystanders, isn't considered murder because they were never indited, than the case of the 2 cops can't be considered murder as no one was ever indited. How about all the cases of the cops disrespecting the dead? leaving the body in the road for 4 hours? Calling their union before calling an ambulance? I mean it's not like a quick google search can show you cops doing exactly that.

It's not murder vs. murder, as repeatedly proven.

If you seriously say that the lunatic shooting two police officers in a car wasn't a murderer, then you left the land of rational thinking and are straight into agenda country.

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's not murder vs. murder, as repeatedly proven.

If you seriously say that the lunatic shooting two police officers in a car wasn't a murderer, then you left the land of rational thinking and are straight into agenda country.

Why don't you consider cops killing unarmed people murder? How is choking someone to death not considered murder? I'm not the one using 2 different criteria for the same crime, and you are clearly projecting your lack of rational thinking onto me and are well into agenda country.

I call both cases murder, it's funny that you can call one not a murder yet still claim the other is. What definition are you using for murder? why isn't the cop who chocked garner a murderer? I bet the logic you use to claim the cop isn't a murder will also show that the guy who killed the cops isn't a murderer.


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And on a side note: Why didn't the NSA catch the tweets? turn on the guys gps feature and lead the cops right to the guy before this tragedy even happened? What is the point of letting them spy on everyone if they can't produce any positive results.

sirlynchmob wrote:

I call both cases murder, it's funny that you can call one not a murder yet still claim the other is. What definition are you using for murder? why isn't the cop who chocked garner a murderer? I bet the logic you use to claim the cop isn't a murder will also show that the guy who killed the cops isn't a murderer.

Who cares what you call it? Doesn't make it so.

Additionally, it's spelled "indicted."

because the forensics and "verifiable" eye-witness testimony shows that he was a dumbass and lost his life in the commission of several crimes, and the officer on the scene was defending his life.

The one eyewitness who's story corroborates Wilson's is an unmedicated schizophrenic with a long history of lying to police (and others), who changed her story at least three times.

Go look up "Witness #40".

sirlynchmob wrote:


Why don't you consider cops killing unarmed people murder?

You might want to re-read the previous posts. Slowly. Carefully. I'll provide help if needed.

sirlynchmob wrote:
It is murder vs murder, the guy who shot the cops was never arrested, never indited, never charged, as he's innocent until proven guilty

Seeing as the coward ran off and ate his gun, I don't think we'll see him charged at all, let alone a trial and conviction.


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 Psienesis wrote:

because the forensics and "verifiable" eye-witness testimony shows that he was a dumbass and lost his life in the commission of several crimes, and the officer on the scene was defending his life.

The one eyewitness who's story corroborates Wilson's is an unmedicated schizophrenic with a long history of lying to police (and others), who changed her story at least three times.

Go look up "Witness #40".

Good thing for Wilson all the forensic evidence supported him as well. Of course, that witness wasn't really the only one who corroborated his story.

You didn't know? All witnesses lie to fit their perception of events

there is a difference between killing someone when your life, and the lives of others, is in the balance and murder. they are two different things.
and if you cannot see the iffence between a cop killing a guy in a chokehold (which, by the way, may well have been a headlock, and it is very easy for the two to switch between each other I have first hand experience in that regard) by accident. and two cops being murdered while sitting in a car by a nutjob.
what, do you think that the cop went "gee, a black guy, better kill 'im"?

 the shrouded lord wrote:
there is a difference between killing someone when your life, and the lives of others, is in the balance and murder. they are two different things.
and if you cannot see the iffence between a cop killing a guy in a chokehold (which, by the way, may well have been a headlock, and it is very easy for the two to switch between each other I have first hand experience in that regard) by accident. and two cops being murdered while sitting in a car by a nutjob.
what, do you think that the cop went "gee, a black guy, better kill 'im"?

Called a "seat belt grab" and its taught to them in the Academy I believe

 Jihadin wrote:

Did not see the video of all the LEO turning their back on De Blasio at City Hall?

Admittedly, my knowledge of the NYC and its mayors role extends to some barely remembered episodes of Spin City I watched 10 years ago but... The implications of this idea seems bad, like, really bad. - Is the Mayor elected in some form? (I think he is?) and, is his election by, well, the inhabitants of the city?

If those assumptions are true, then that sort of idea seems bad, really very bad indeed.

To be honest, I'd dismissed a lot of the news I heard about the protests as effectively an American echo of the London riots, though, at least the news I've gathered seems to suggest that there are larger pockets of 'proper' protesters about, as opposed to rioters.

How far off-base am I here? I'm not particularly political and I am on the other side of the pond, so I've only been hearing snatches here and there of what's going on.

 Compel wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Did not see the video of all the LEO turning their back on De Blasio at City Hall?

Admittedly, my knowledge of the NYC and its mayors role extends to some barely remembered episodes of Spin City I watched 10 years ago but... The implications of this idea seems bad, like, really bad. - Is the Mayor elected in some form? (I think he is?) and, is his election by, well, the inhabitants of the city?

If those assumptions are true, then that sort of idea seems bad, really very bad indeed.

To be honest, I'd dismissed a lot of the news I heard about the protests as effectively an American echo of the London riots, though, at least the news I've gathered seems to suggest that there are larger pockets of 'proper' protesters about, as opposed to rioters.

How far off-base am I here? I'm not particularly political and I am on the other side of the pond, so I've only been hearing snatches here and there of what's going on.

Its a smack in the face. Its basically telling him he fails at being a leader

So because some of the protesters are dillholes and this guy committed a really horrible crime, we can't have sympathy for people being treated unfairly by a broken system?

Come on guys. We're all capable of appreciating the complexity of the situation better than that.