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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 15:19:40
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Dakka Veteran
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hello,
had a game yesterday against eldar. me and my friend came across the possibility of using swooping hawks against tanks.
the hawks have haywire grenades, so one model in the unit can throw a grenade in the shooting phase (hitting on 2+, glancing on 2+) then assault the vehicle and use the grenades in CC (one attack for each model, usually 6).
hitting on 3+ (2+ for the exarch respectivly) and glancing on 2+.
we skimped over the rules and found nothing to prevent this. we BOTH agreed that this is somehow ridiculous. the unit costs like 100 points and can pretty much destroy any tank in the game in 1 phase with an outstanding accuracy and a thread range up to 24".
did we miss something? or is this a real thing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 15:33:21
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Confessor Of Sins
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As long as you remember that grenades have a 8" Range when you fire them, the above is indeed correct!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 15:52:30
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Yes, this is a real thing. Play on a table with excellent Impassible & LoS terrain and Swooping Hawks become the terror of armor everywhere.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 16:11:33
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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RedNoak wrote: we skimped over the rules and found nothing to prevent this. we BOTH agreed that this is somehow ridiculous. the unit costs like 100 points and can pretty much destroy any tank in the game in 1 phase with an outstanding accuracy and a thread range up to 24".
While they can be powerful in the right situation, they are also rather fragile, often wiped out by a single model with a template weapon or a barrage shot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 16:12:46
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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haha, and here i thought wave serpents where the bane of 40k
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 16:13:58
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Sybarite Swinging an Agonizer
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Why does the exarch hit on a 2+ in CC? Why are swooping hawks (bs4) hitting on 3's during shooting?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 16:20:49
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Fixture of Dakka
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 16:22:57
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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The Hive Mind
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The OP mentioned hitting on 2s, not 3s.
And the exarch will not hit on a 2+ in CC.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 16:23:45
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Fixture of Dakka
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The Exarch does hit on a 2 with shooting.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 16:37:18
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Dakka Veteran
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my fault. of course the exarch hits on a 3+ in CC. typical brainfart.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/12/22 16:38:05
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 16:59:11
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Wyches in a Venom can do the same thing, but really only a threat range of 20" and they'd have to make an 8" charge.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/12/22 16:59:30
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"War is the greatest act of worship, and I perform it gladly for my Lord.... Praise Be"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 21:05:27
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Icculus wrote:Wyches in a Venom can do the same thing, but really only a threat range of 20" and they'd have to make an 8" charge.
Do Wyches still have Haywire Grenades?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/22 22:37:26
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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DCannon4Life wrote: Icculus wrote:Wyches in a Venom can do the same thing, but really only a threat range of 20" and they'd have to make an 8" charge.
Do Wyches still have Haywire Grenades?
only their character gets it now
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/23 02:53:32
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Really?! Man that's lame. Apparently scourges are the real anti-tank now though
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DR:80+S++G++MB--IPw40k12#+D++++A++/fWD013R++T(T)DM+
"War is the greatest act of worship, and I perform it gladly for my Lord.... Praise Be"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/23 04:18:08
Subject: swooping hawks and haywire grenades
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Executing Exarch
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Icculus wrote:
Really?! Man that's lame. Apparently scourges are the real anti-tank now though
Unless they have cover saves then its a real pain in the ass. 360pts and 12 haywire blasters for 1 wave serpent with holofields.
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