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hello,


had a game yesterday against eldar. me and my friend came across the possibility of using swooping hawks against tanks.

the hawks have haywire grenades, so one model in the unit can throw a grenade in the shooting phase (hitting on 2+, glancing on 2+) then assault the vehicle and use the grenades in CC (one attack for each model, usually 6).
hitting on 3+ (2+ for the exarch respectivly) and glancing on 2+.

we skimped over the rules and found nothing to prevent this. we BOTH agreed that this is somehow ridiculous. the unit costs like 100 points and can pretty much destroy any tank in the game in 1 phase with an outstanding accuracy and a thread range up to 24".


did we miss something? or is this a real thing?

As long as you remember that grenades have a 8" Range when you fire them, the above is indeed correct!

RedNoak wrote:

did we miss something? or is this a real thing?

Yes, this is a real thing. Play on a table with excellent Impassible & LoS terrain and Swooping Hawks become the terror of armor everywhere.

RedNoak wrote:
we skimped over the rules and found nothing to prevent this. we BOTH agreed that this is somehow ridiculous. the unit costs like 100 points and can pretty much destroy any tank in the game in 1 phase with an outstanding accuracy and a thread range up to 24".

While they can be powerful in the right situation, they are also rather fragile, often wiped out by a single model with a template weapon or a barrage shot.

haha, and here i thought wave serpents where the bane of 40k

Why does the exarch hit on a 2+ in CC? Why are swooping hawks (bs4) hitting on 3's during shooting?

NauticalKendall wrote:
Why are swooping hawks (bs4) hitting on 3's during shooting?

Why wouldn't they?

The OP mentioned hitting on 2s, not 3s.
And the exarch will not hit on a 2+ in CC.

The Exarch does hit on a 2 with shooting.

my fault. of course the exarch hits on a 3+ in CC.

typical brainfart.

Wyches in a Venom can do the same thing, but really only a threat range of 20" and they'd have to make an 8" charge.

 Icculus wrote:
Wyches in a Venom can do the same thing, but really only a threat range of 20" and they'd have to make an 8" charge.

Do Wyches still have Haywire Grenades?

DCannon4Life wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
Wyches in a Venom can do the same thing, but really only a threat range of 20" and they'd have to make an 8" charge.

Do Wyches still have Haywire Grenades?

only their character gets it now

 CrownAxe wrote:

DCannon4Life wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
Wyches in a Venom can do the same thing, but really only a threat range of 20" and they'd have to make an 8" charge.

Do Wyches still have Haywire Grenades?

only their character gets it now

Really?! Man that's lame. Apparently scourges are the real anti-tank now though

 Icculus wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

DCannon4Life wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
Wyches in a Venom can do the same thing, but really only a threat range of 20" and they'd have to make an 8" charge.

Do Wyches still have Haywire Grenades?

only their character gets it now

Really?! Man that's lame. Apparently scourges are the real anti-tank now though

Unless they have cover saves then its a real pain in the ass. 360pts and 12 haywire blasters for 1 wave serpent with holofields.