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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30636326

A woman in the US state of Idaho has been killed after a two-year-old boy accidentally shot her with a gun he found when reaching into her handbag.

The woman was shot in a Wal-Mart in Hayden, a town in Idaho's northern panhandle.

A sheriff's spokesman said the woman was shopping with several children and it was unclear if they were related.

Officials said she had a concealed weapons permit but her identity has not been released.

The Wal-Mart closed after the shooting.

Local media reported the woman was visiting the area and died at the scene.

Shame someone died, but what the feth!

Maggie, is that you?

Terrible shame.

There are myriad reasons why handbag carry is a poor choice, this is one of them.

Won't someone think of the children?

This gives a whole new meaning to "Terrible Twos"

I saw a video of a 2 year old that was handed a loaded gun. The 2 year old shot the man in the stomach.

If you have kids unless you know you have the gun it should always be in a cabinet with a lock.

Toddlers with guns are unexpected killers.

It amazes me that people can be so careless with their firearms.

 Alex C wrote:
Terrible shame.

There are myriad reasons why handbag carry is a poor choice, this is one of them.

Surely you would have a holster or something? Or am I missing something? Are handbags and jeans waistbands a pre requisite before a CCW permit is granted?

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Terrible shame.

There are myriad reasons why handbag carry is a poor choice, this is one of them.

Surely you would have a holster or something? Or am I missing something? Are handbags and jeans waistbands a pre requisite before a CCW permit is granted?

Most responsible carriers use a holster of some sort to protect the trigger from being snagged which could lead to a negligent discharge. It is not a legal requirement to use a holster, to my knowledge, but it is generally advisable to use something to keep the trigger from being actuated.

I would also advocate carrying in a position where the firearm is on your person, as opposed to something like a handbag which is easily stolen or gotten into.

That article, like so many other similar articles, misspelled "negligence". A shooting in which you let your kid root around in your purse that contains a loaded gatt in it is not an accident, it's a wholly foreseeable outcome of criminal negligence.





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A better headline, btw, would have been "2 year old exercises his second amendment rights"

Oops - feel sorry for the kid. Horrible thing to grow up with.

 Ouze wrote:
That article, like so many other similar articles, misspelled "negligence". A shooting in which you let your kid root around in your purse that contains a loaded gatt in it is not an accident, it's a wholly foreseeable outcome of criminal negligence.





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A better headline, btw, would have been "2 year old exercises his second amendment rights"

Exalted.

Dont these things normally come with safetys?

 Desubot wrote:
Dont these things normally come with safetys?

Have you tried keeping an eye on a two year old?

 Swastakowey wrote:
I saw a video of a 2 year old that was handed a loaded gun. The 2 year old shot the man in the stomach.

If you have kids unless you know you have the gun it should always be in a cabinet with a lock.

Toddlers with guns are unexpected killers.

You sure the video wasn't the one from the Saudi wedding where the kid reachs up and pulls out the gun on a guys waist holster and shoots him with it?

And to the topic... well gak happens.

 Desubot wrote:
Dont these things normally come with safetys?

Not always.

Also many modern carry guns have "passive" safeties rather than "manual" ones, particularly semi-autos.

I was trained to rely on the safety between my ears rather than the one on the firearm. This story highlights a failure of the former.

Huh didnt realize. honestly though that most handguns would.

 Desubot wrote:
Huh didnt realize. honestly though that most handguns would.

As I say, most do in some fashion. Even if it is not visible, there may be several internal safeties rending the firearm unable to shoot until the trigger is fully depressed. Guns generally do not just "go off".

That requires the operator to have enough sense to ensure that the firearm's trigger is not pulled until required, however. Sadly the lady in the story lacked that sense.

Would a revolver have a safety?

 Desubot wrote:
Huh didnt realize. honestly though that most handguns would.

I'm pretty sure most Glocks have no external (manual) safeties, and it's one of the most popular guns in the country.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Would a revolver have a safety?

No.



Many guns include a safety, or several safety features, that prevent the gun from firing unless the firearm is held in a hand and the trigger pulled. One example is a switch in the grip that is depressed when you hold it, or a notch built into the trigger that actuates when the trigger is pulled, or a block between the firing pin and the primer that is pulled out of the way when the trigger is actuated.
These safeties are to ensure the gun wont go off if you drop it, but a safety as it is commonly thought of - "that is manually toggled to prevent a gun held in a hand and a trigger pulled from firing off a round despite the positive action of having done so" is not universal.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Would a revolver have a safety?

Many do. Most don't.

Glocks have multiple internal "passive" safeties ensuring that it cannot fire until the trigger is fully depressed, which can only be done by direct rearward pressure due to the little tab on the trigger itself. Pretty much the only way to discharge a Glock is a finger pulling the trigger or if a careless person let junk from a pocket/handbag get inside the trigger guard and jam the trigger backwards.

So, sad as this case may be, Darwin maybe has another winner?

 Mr. Burning wrote:
So, sad as this case may be, Darwin maybe has another winner?

Pretty much.

Many will leap to demonize the object, but it was a failure of character that lead to this unfortunate result.

We need to ban two year olds.

 Orlanth wrote:
We need to ban two year olds.

Hear Hear

I was sad to hear about this, for both the child and the mother, but it was 100% preventable, even with the mother still carrying.

 Desubot wrote:
Huh didnt realize. honestly though that most handguns would.

The US military has four weapon safety rules. Keep your finger off the trigger until you intemd to shoot, never point the weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot, treat every weapon as if it were loaded, amd keep your weapon on safe until you intend to shoot. Safetys are only a small part of safely handling a weapon. Purse carries aren't ideal because while it's in the purse, you can't control where it's pointing and if the trigger gets snagged. Even if it has a safety, you can easily violate a couple of the other rules.

 Ouze wrote:
That article, like so many other similar articles, misspelled "negligence". A shooting in which you let your kid root around in your purse that contains a loaded gatt in it is not an accident, it's a wholly foreseeable outcome of criminal negligence.





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A better headline, btw, would have been "2 year old exercises his second amendment rights"

I need to knowo people actually take the second amendment seriously or is it just used as a joke?because if its not, using laws written in 1791 is.......kinda dumb?

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
That article, like so many other similar articles, misspelled "negligence". A shooting in which you let your kid root around in your purse that contains a loaded gatt in it is not an accident, it's a wholly foreseeable outcome of criminal negligence.





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A better headline, btw, would have been "2 year old exercises his second amendment rights"

I need to knowo people actually take the second amendment seriously or is it just used as a joke?because if its not, using laws written in 1791 is.......kinda dumb?

Deadly serious. America knows what many other countries allow themselves to forget- someday, your government will fall into the hands of a whimsical dictator, and need to be disposed of. When that day comes, Americans will be far better armed than the rioters that did this ultimate expression of democracy in Egypt earlier this year. Protection from murderous shoe thieves, and uppity moms is just incidental- those weapons are out there to make our government think twice.

It is a rather terrifying and long term goal, but one that is certainly worthwhile- I don't want to be one of the malcontents wearing freshly baked riot gear when it all goes in the can.



He's got the passion, and his motives may be just- but he would be a lot scarier brandishing a pistol or rifle.

This killer started young, send him to the (high) chair.