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**djones520**

Jihadin wrote:
Chongara wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Chongara wrote:
the whole thing left me feeling unsettled.

Funny.

When I took my 110lb sister in law for the first time, she almost immediately wanted to buy a pistol of her own and was sad our range time with the rifles ran out.

We can conclude from this that enjoyment of shooting does not stem from body mass or sex.

I've had a female who weighs a nickle less who would not be removed from the CROW B240. She even threaten me bodily harm if I attempted to replace her as my gunner. She was my De Facto Over Watch

They made my 5' 110lb wife the SAW gunner. She hated it.

**Matthew**

cincydooley wrote:
Matthew wrote:

And also, how about if you had a single crime (except for crimes like jaywalking and feeding homeless people) in your database (or whateveryou guys have), you wouldn't be able to buy a gun.

Felons are already disqualified from legally purchasing firearms. You'd know this if you'd done even the most basic of Google searches.

Also, why sell assault rifles? What good would an AK-47 do compared to an M1911, if their tasks are to protect a family's house?

1. Because they're fun to shoot.
2. They're easier to shoot and overall more accurate than any handgun.

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Chongara wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Chongara wrote:
the whole thing left me feeling unsettled.

Funny.

When I took my 110lb sister in law for the first time, she almost immediately wanted to buy a pistol of her own and was sad our range time with the rifles ran out.

We can conclude from this that enjoyment of shooting does not stem from body mass or sex.

I agree.

I DO agree that big guns are fun to shoot, but why the need to sell them? Why not just have tonsof firing ranges instead?

**cincydooley**

Jihadin wrote:

I've had a female who weighs a nickle less who would not be removed from the CROW B240. She even threaten me bodily harm if I attempted to replace her as my gunner. She was my De Facto Over Watch

Kaye was a beast with my 226 (40S&W). After the first two magazines, she was hitting 2" groupings at 7 meters. I was pretty damn impressed.

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Matthew wrote:

I DO agree that big guns are fun to shoot, but why the need to sell them? Why not just have tonsof firing ranges instead?

Agree based on what? All those guns you haven't fired?

I like owning and maintaining my own firearms. That's plenty.

**Hordini**

Matthew wrote:
Hordini wrote:
Matthew wrote:
I didn't do my research

Hmm. Imagine that.

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Matthew wrote:
Yeah, that and maybe more.

What more would you suggest?

You expect me to reas through what, 50 pages of US laws before posting things in a wargaming form? I laugh at thee.
And also, how about if you had a single crime (except for crimes like jaywalking and feeding homeless people) in your database (or whateveryou guys have), you wouldn't be able to buy a gun. Also, why sell assault rifles? What good would an AK-47 do compared to an M1911, if their tasks are to protect a family's house?

Is feeding homeless people is a crime in Sweden? That's pretty sad, if that's the case.

No one is expecting you to read 50 pages of US laws if you don't want to. But you have access to several American Dakkaites here who are knowledgeable on the subject and happy to discuss it. You could actually learn something here if you wanted to, rather than just share your admittedly uninformed opinions.

To answer your questions: There are a lot of crimes that make it so you can't buy a gun. Most are felonies, but also include misdemeanor domestic violence. Why sell assault rifles? True assault rifles (with full-auto or 3-round burst capabilities) are not widely available, require extensive licensing to purchase, and are prohibitively expensive. Very, very few Americans legally own an assault rifle, and most who do are collectors or gun dealers. What we do have are semi-automatic rifles like AR-15s or semi-automatic AK-47s, both of which are no more deadly than any other kind of semi-automatic rifle.

**Jihadin**

Boy dies in Sweden school shooting
girl
A traumatised pupil is comforted by friends after the shooting

January 18, 2001
Web posted at: 10:41 AM EST (1541 GMT)

STOCKHOLM, Sweden -- A teenage boy has been killed in a shooting at a secondary school in Stockholm.

The shooting happened at Bromma gymnasium in the west of the city on Thursday.

A suspect was arrested shortly afterwards near the school and was being questioned by Stockholm police. The school has around 900 pupils aged between 15 and 19.

The person who was shot was probably a student at the school, police spokesman Bjorn Pihlblad told CNN Sverige.

The boy was shot in the throat in a restroom at the school. His age has not been confirmed, but Sweden's TT news agency says he was 16 years old.

The suspect, reported by TT to be over 18 years old, is not a student at the school. Police have not ruled out the possibility that several people were involved in the shooting.

"We don´t know, but it is very likely that several persons could be involved", Superintendent Anders Buren told TT.

The Aftonbladet newspaper Web site says several students witnessed the shooting and were being questioned by police.
Students traumatised

Aftonbladet also says police followed the suspect in a "dramatic chase" after the shooting.

Students were said to be deeply upset by the shooting and a student attacked one of the press photographers who gathered around the building.

After that incident all media was banned from the school area. The school was cordoned off and all students were sent home.

No motive for the shooting has been reported. "We still have no answer to what was behind this", Stockholm police spokesman Ulf Goransson told Aftonbladet´s Web site.

CNN Sverige contributed to this report.

From the link Ouze(?) posted.
Shot in the throat. I've seen that type of wound afterward but never seen it happen when engaged. We joke around with the "neck guard" stopping a round but never seen it happen or heard of it happening. Though I have full confidence in my body armor and groin protector because I have seen those stop a round.

Edit
Even quite a few WWII weapons can be considered Assault Weapons

**Matthew**

cincydooley wrote:
Jihadin wrote:

I've had a female who weighs a nickle less who would not be removed from the CROW B240. She even threaten me bodily harm if I attempted to replace her as my gunner. She was my De Facto Over Watch

Kaye was a beast with my 226 (40S&W). After the first two magazines, she was hitting 2" groupings at 7 meters. I was pretty damn impressed.

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Matthew wrote:

I DO agree that big guns are fun to shoot, but why the need to sell them? Why not just have tonsof firing ranges instead?

Agree based on what? All those guns you haven't fired?

Well, the biggest gun I've fired is my metal BB CO2-powered rifle... Although, seeing as it's awesome to shoot that one, it must be 1000 times more awesome to shoot an assault rifle.

**Chongara**

Jihadin wrote:
Matthew wrote:
djones520 wrote:
It's clear Matthew has no clue what he is talking about, no actual knowledge of how our laws work over here, and no wish to learn, so stop engaging him on it guys. Let him just blow his steam.

Oh, thats mature. I'm just pointing out my view of everything. From what I can see, US gun laws are dumb. As a Swede who has never touched a weapon, I find it hard to understand why people need a gun in their suitcase or purse or backpsck when shopping or driving a car or doing anything. I feel prefectly safe here without guns. I would not feel safe if everyone, incouding me, were carrying guns.

What part of the US Gun Laws are dumb?
Clarify and maybe we can see where your going. If not then I m going to put you in the column with 44Ronin

I don't know about him but my understanding is that some parts of the country person-to-person sales, or sales at gunshows are allowed to take place without effective background checks, waiting periods, reporting, or transaction limitations. What laws are in place in those cases tend to lack teeth, rely on self-reporting and/or are given little enforcement.

**Torga_DW**

I think the right to carry a gun is an acknowledgement that the real world isn't safe, and people should have the right to protect themselves. We have 'gun laws' in australia. We also have a lot of this going on: http://www.9news.com.au/National/2015/01/02/18/02/Man-who-allegedly-punched-female-officer-given-bail

A Western Australian man who allegedly slammed a female police officer’s head into the ground has been granted conditional bail.

Police allege 53-year-old Victor Kingsley McGuire swore at police officers, and slammed one officer’s head on the ground approximately six times before punching her.

A crowd of 50 people then attacked the police van and pelted the officers with rocks.

Mr McGuire appeared in court today charged with being disorderly in a public place, assaulting a police officer and obstructing a police officer but was not required to enter a plea.

He was granted bail but is not allowed to go within 50m of the officer and is banned from licensed premises.

He is due to reappear in court on January 6.

Thats not something reserved solely for police: ambulance crews and firefighters get the same treatment. But we're civilized because guns are illegal and gun crime might be down. I feel so proud sometimes.

**djones520**

As red blooded as an American as you can find, I've only shot an Assault Rifle in my capacity as a member of the US Armed Forces.

I own an AR-10. (Here is some news for you, AR stands for Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle). It is a semi-automatic rifle. That means one round per trigger pull. That does not make it an Assault Rifle.

You need special licenses to get to own an assault rifle.

**Matthew**

Chongara wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Matthew wrote:
djones520 wrote:
It's clear Matthew has no clue what he is talking about, no actual knowledge of how our laws work over here, and no wish to learn, so stop engaging him on it guys. Let him just blow his steam.

Oh, thats mature. I'm just pointing out my view of everything. From what I can see, US gun laws are dumb. As a Swede who has never touched a weapon, I find it hard to understand why people need a gun in their suitcase or purse or backpsck when shopping or driving a car or doing anything. I feel prefectly safe here without guns. I would not feel safe if everyone, incouding me, were carrying guns.

What part of the US Gun Laws are dumb?
Clarify and maybe we can see where your going. If not then I m going to put you in the column with 44Ronin

I don't know about him but my understanding is that some parts of the country person-to-person sales, or sales at gunshows are allowed to take place without effective background checks, waiting periods, reporting, or transaction limitations. What laws are in place in those cases tend to lack teeth, rely on self-reporting and/or are given little enforcement.

What he said. The fact that there are ways to buy guns via Facebook or over-the-counter makes me really mad. Especially when a fraction of those guns are used to kill innocent people.

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djones520 wrote:
As red blooded as an American as you can find, I've only shot an Assault Rifle in my capacity as a member of the US Armed Forces.

I own an AR-10. (Here is some news for you, AR stands for Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle). It is a semi-automatic rifle. That means one round per trigger pull. That does not make it an Assault Rifle.

You need special licenses to get to own an assault rifle.

Is it locked in single fire? In that case, nice.

**Jihadin**

Chongara wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Matthew wrote:
djones520 wrote:
It's clear Matthew has no clue what he is talking about, no actual knowledge of how our laws work over here, and no wish to learn, so stop engaging him on it guys. Let him just blow his steam.

Oh, thats mature. I'm just pointing out my view of everything. From what I can see, US gun laws are dumb. As a Swede who has never touched a weapon, I find it hard to understand why people need a gun in their suitcase or purse or backpsck when shopping or driving a car or doing anything. I feel prefectly safe here without guns. I would not feel safe if everyone, incouding me, were carrying guns.

What part of the US Gun Laws are dumb?
Clarify and maybe we can see where your going. If not then I m going to put you in the column with 44Ronin

I don't know about him but my understanding is that some parts of the country person-to-person sales, or sales at gunshows are allowed to take place without effective background checks, waiting periods, reporting, or transaction limitations. What laws are in place in those cases tend to lack teeth, rely on self-reporting and/or are given little enforcement.

I can't really debate this being I have not brought a weapon at a Gun Show Yet even gone to one. Though I am tempted to go to one being I might actually get a WWII refurb M1 Garand to go with my Refurb WWII M1 carbine. Though the Airborne version of a M1 carbine does appeal to me.

**djones520**

Yes. It is illegal to modify it to become an automatic weapon.

**Matthew**

Hordini wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Hordini wrote:
Matthew wrote:
I didn't do my research

Hmm. Imagine that.

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Matthew wrote:
Yeah, that and maybe more.

What more would you suggest?

You expect me to reas through what, 50 pages of US laws before posting things in a wargaming form? I laugh at thee.
And also, how about if you had a single crime (except for crimes like jaywalking and feeding homeless people) in your database (or whateveryou guys have), you wouldn't be able to buy a gun. Also, why sell assault rifles? What good would an AK-47 do compared to an M1911, if their tasks are to protect a family's house?

Is feeding homeless people is a crime in Sweden? That's pretty sad, if that's the case.

No one is expecting you to read 50 pages of US laws if you don't want to. But you have access to several American Dakkaites here who are knowledgeable on the subject and happy to discuss it. You could actually learn something here if you wanted to, rather than just share your admittedly uninformed opinions.

To answer your questions: There are a lot of crimes that make it so you can't buy a gun. Most are felonies, but also include misdemeanor domestic violence. Why sell assault rifles? True assault rifles (with full-auto or 3-round burst capabilities) are not widely available, require extensive licensing to purchase, and are prohibitively expensive. Very, very few Americans legally own an assault rifle, and most who do are collectors or gun dealers. What we do have are semi-automatic rifles like AR-15s or semi-automatic AK-47s, both of which are no more deadly than any other kind of semi-automatic rifle.

No, feeding homeless people close to residential areas is illegal in the US.
Also, thank you for understanding.

**djones520**

Can you cite that law please?

**Matthew**

djones520 wrote:
Can you cite that law please?

Thats it.

No, I won't.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/05/fort-lauderdale-pastors-arnold-abbott-arrested-feeding-homeless

I facepalm at thee.

**Hordini**

Matthew wrote:
No, feeding homeless people close to residential areas is illegal in the US.

I don't know where you heard that, but that's not generally true. It might be true somewhere in the US, as laws can vary widely in certain states or cities, but I've been quite a few places in the US and don't know of a place where that is specifically illegal (or enforced). I've heard stories of certain groups getting shut down for serving large amounts of free food without some kind of license due to health code or something, which I find pretty silly to be honest, but I haven't heard anything about it being illegal to feed homeless people specifically.

**Chongara**

djones520 wrote:
Can you cite that law please?

A quick google search would reveal that laws like this do exist on a local level in many places, especially where tourists would be in close proximity to potential congregation areas for the homeless.

Though it's asburd hyperbole and more than little dishonest for him to claim that's the case "In the US".

**cincydooley**

Matthew wrote:

What he said. The fact that there are ways to buy guns via Facebook or over-the-counter makes me really mad. Especially when a fraction of those guns are used to kill innocent people.

I've bought every one of my guns over a counter. I'm glad I can contribute to your anger. They were clean counters though, so hopefully that helps a little.

Is it locked in single fire? In that case, nice.

Quit listening to whatever CNN or MSNBC is telling you and do a basic Google search. You might learn something.

**djones520**

Chongara wrote:
djones520 wrote:
Can you cite that law please?

A quick google search would reveal that laws like this do exist on a local level in many places, especially where tourists would be in close proximity to potential congregation areas for the homeless.

Though it's asburd hyperbole and more than little dishonest for him to claim that's the case "In the US".

Which was the point I was trying to make. He has no real understanding of how our country works. I don't think he even has a concept of how massive it is, compared to Sweden.

**Hordini**

So that's a horrible law that exists in one city.

That is not the same as it being illegal to feed homeless people close to residential areas in the US.

**cincydooley**

djones520 wrote:
Chongara wrote:
djones520 wrote:
Can you cite that law please?

A quick google search would reveal that laws like this do exist on a local level in many places, especially where tourists would be in close proximity to potential congregation areas for the homeless.

Though it's asburd hyperbole and more than little dishonest for him to claim that's the case "In the US".

Which was the point I was trying to make. He has no real understanding of how our country works. I don't think he even has a concept of how massive it is, compared to Sweden.

You mean the US is large?

http://www.citylab.com/work/2013/11/3-us-metro-areas-have-economies-larger-sweden/7698/

**Chongara**

djones520 wrote:
Chongara wrote:
djones520 wrote:
Can you cite that law please?

A quick google search would reveal that laws like this do exist on a local level in many places, especially where tourists would be in close proximity to potential congregation areas for the homeless.

Though it's asburd hyperbole and more than little dishonest for him to claim that's the case "In the US".

Which was the point I was trying to make. He has no real understanding of how our country works. I don't think he even has a concept of how massive it is, compared to Sweden.

Well if anyone really is confused on this point:

Spoiler:

**Matthew**

cincydooley wrote:
Matthew wrote:

What he said. The fact that there are ways to buy guns via Facebook or over-the-counter makes me really mad. Especially when a fraction of those guns are used to kill innocent people.

I've bought every one of my guns over a counter. I'm glad I can contribute to your anger. They were clean counters though, so hopefully that helps a little.

Is it locked in single fire? In that case, nice.

Quit listening to whatever CNN or MSNBC is telling you and do a basic Google search. You might learn something.

What does asking about a guns firing mode have to do with crappy news corporations? I felt it kight be better to ask someone that could physically check the gun instead of googling.

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djones520 wrote:
Chongara wrote:
djones520 wrote:
Can you cite that law please?

A quick google search would reveal that laws like this do exist on a local level in many places, especially where tourists would be in close proximity to potential congregation areas for the homeless.

Though it's asburd hyperbole and more than little dishonest for him to claim that's the case "In the US".

Which was the point I was trying to make. He has no real understanding of how our country works. I don't think he even has a concept of how massive it is, compared to Sweden.

Now you're just insulting me. I know how huge the US is, and how huge it's population is.

I facepalm at thee, together with this entire thread,

**cincydooley**

Matthew wrote:

Now you're just insulting me. I know how huge the US is, and how huge it's population is.

I facepalm at thee, together with this entire thread,

Or he's simply telling the truth based on this thread's sample size of your commentary.

I promise, no one here is facepalming at djones.

**Jihadin**

Matthew wrote:
djones520 wrote:
Can you cite that law please?

Thats it.

No, I won't.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/05/fort-lauderdale-pastors-arnold-abbott-arrested-feeding-homeless

I facepalm at thee.

City Ordinance. That one city does not constitute the entire US like your implying

**Chongara**

Matthew wrote:

Now you're just insulting me. I know how huge the US is, and how huge it's population is.

Your continued broad statements that would group me in with Texans would indicate otherwise.

**Jihadin**

Chongara wrote:
Matthew wrote:

Now you're just insulting me. I know how huge the US is, and how huge it's population is.

Your continued broad statements that would group me in with Texans would indicate otherwise.

I remember back in the day....70's-80's the gun racks in back of cab of trucks

**Matthew**

cincydooley wrote:
Matthew wrote:

Now you're just insulting me. I know how huge the US is, and how huge it's population is.

I facepalm at thee, together with this entire thread,

Or he's simply telling the truth based on this thread's sample size of your commentary.

I promise, no one here is facepalming at djones.

So, me giving, sure, unresearched (why do I even need to research my own opinions?) opinions gives him full rights to insult me? Huh.

And also, if I use unresearched 'facts', why does it even matter? I started arguing against US gun laws, now people are insulting me.

**Jihadin**

Matthew wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Matthew wrote:

Now you're just insulting me. I know how huge the US is, and how huge it's population is.

I facepalm at thee, together with this entire thread,

Or he's simply telling the truth based on this thread's sample size of your commentary.

I promise, no one here is facepalming at djones.

So, me giving, sure, unresearched (why do I even need to research my own opinions?) opinions gives him full rights to insult me? Huh.

And also, if I use unresearched 'facts', why does it even matter? I started arguing against US gun laws, now people are insulting me.

You came into the thread guns blazing thinking you "know" when you didn't actually know

**djones520**

Matthew wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Matthew wrote:

Now you're just insulting me. I know how huge the US is, and how huge it's population is.

I facepalm at thee, together with this entire thread,

Or he's simply telling the truth based on this thread's sample size of your commentary.

I promise, no one here is facepalming at djones.

So, me giving, sure, unresearched (why do I even need to research my own opinions?) opinions gives him full rights to insult me? Huh.

And also, if I use unresearched 'facts', why does it even matter? I started arguing against US gun laws, now people are insulting me.

You're admitting to being ignorant. You are admitting to arguing from a stance of ignorance. And yet you are being insulted when people assume you are ignorant?