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Im disapointed well i'll look at the rest of the range,... but fw mechanicum here i come.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
They are talking about Codex books and not painting guides? Because that was the original question

No they weren't. Someone has assumed they were.

I am only sharing what they said, okay? I am not arguing as GW are the only ones in the know. I am not. Lords of Wargaming has said these are supplements. It should still be on their facebook page. I quote from the BOLS lounge, as I cannot check FB at the moment

via Lords of War (facebook) 4-10-2015

"Admech are right around the corner. ...They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus."
"Supplements, but models as well."

This is from the same conversation, quoted correctly by BOLS. I read the original posts with the questions and this is what we got there. Maybe LoW are wrong. And their posts are quite vague at times. Just wanted to point this out


Oh and better ignore the Voices in the Tress rumors, they were not reliable in the past weeks

Well we'll know soon enough, but I highly doubt that we're getting supplements for a codex that isn't out yet and that we're getting two of them at the same time for the same batch of models.

Lords of War Gaming is not infallibile (as they've shown) and this could be a case of them making a mess of the details.

That's exactly what we got with the Scions book though.

So will it be adeptus mechanicus: skitarii then later adeptus mechanicus codex ?

Lord I never thought learning, binary, ascii, and hex would ever be usefull.

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Y'know I'm kinda surprised at the expressed distaste for the mech models, I shouldn't be, but I am.

The first book I read that showed mechanicum troops was the soul drinker omnibus. Skitarii troops there were little more than guardsmen with linked weaponry. It wasn't til I read the heresy novels that I saw the extravagant and warrior looking skitarii. I remember hearing from one of the forge world panels at some event that this variancy is a thing in 40k. Durring the heresy "skitarii" refered to mars actual's forces not mechanicum at large, but in 40k skitarii is now the catch all term for troops serving under martian command sometimes including and sometimes not including tech guard. You kinda see this in Titanicus with skitarii descriptions varying again.

I haven't read the "___ of Mars" series yet but it seems like Skitarii troops seem to vary radically depending on time and who's personal force they emerge from. Personally I like the idea of augmented human chassis with an integrated or linked weapon as the bare bones troops and I've always enjoyed the simple cloak as an addition.. Forge world's model range also allows for the adding in of a whole range of unique units simply to add in and enjoy for appearance sake.

The walker just still looks mechy too me. While I know a lot of people wanted something crawling with mechadendrites and wierdness we have to remember mars loves STCs and does produce almost every vehicle used by the Imperium. Personally I think the thing looks like a really modified (ie Better) sentinel. Every time I read mech stories they're so dedicated to design, mars proper refusing to accept new discoveries until they've been poured over for years and years, and innovation being more of a backroom thing quietly done out of the spotlight. My buddy had an idea where a mech codex would've just been 2 infantry units, one or two walkers, an HQ, and then just give them access to anything with an armor value in any imperial forces codex.

Now this goes for units only. Weaponry though in every reference I've ever even heard of mech always has some weird variant or something completely new weapon, my hopes are that this mech codex's weapons are atleast 2 new ones for every old one.

Only criticism I have for the one infantry we've seen is that with that long coat I'm worried about variability in posing, always a concern for me, personally I'll probably end up using the new storm troopers with cloaks hanging down around their legs to add variety, and if they have base carapace armor, probably some dreamforge units mixed in.


TLDR: I for one, welcome our new Martian overlords.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

migooo wrote:
From my understanding the Adeptus Mechanicus has various Magi some might specialize in growing new and diverse life forms. It's been a while and I'm not 100 percent on this so forgive my presumption.

I don't see why there wouldn't or "couldn't" be a forge world that wouldn't or " could not " create a living tank or walker or whatever as I understand the Mechanicus is just as devided as the inquisition on what to do . My opinion aside. It's certainly an option for converters.

You're talking about the Magos Biologis who are a subsect of the overall Adeptus Mechanicus. Most of their augments are biological in basis (vat grown muscle implants for example), and their main duty has to do with dealing with the Space Marine geneseed. Others study xenobiology to find better means of combating them.

I'm not finding a lot of them making anything to fight war directly though. They maintain the geneseed and pursue the Quest for Knowledge in biological matters, and that's about it.

I belive they are also responsible for Chemical Rejuvenation, drug manufacturing, advanced surgery, and stuff like that. They are bassicly the doctors of the ad-mec more then anything.


Growing huge living tanks has always been the dark mechanicus's thing.

I supose a overpowerd rule set will have us swearing that we love them.
If they add a dark mechanicus that would be great.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

migooo wrote:
From my understanding the Adeptus Mechanicus has various Magi some might specialize in growing new and diverse life forms. It's been a while and I'm not 100 percent on this so forgive my presumption.

I don't see why there wouldn't or "couldn't" be a forge world that wouldn't or " could not " create a living tank or walker or whatever as I understand the Mechanicus is just as devided as the inquisition on what to do . My opinion aside. It's certainly an option for converters.

You're talking about the Magos Biologis who are a subsect of the overall Adeptus Mechanicus. Most of their augments are biological in basis (vat grown muscle implants for example), and their main duty has to do with dealing with the Space Marine geneseed. Others study xenobiology to find better means of combating them.

I'm not finding a lot of them making anything to fight war directly though. They maintain the geneseed and pursue the Quest for Knowledge in biological matters, and that's about it.

See this is why I was unsure. I think I remember a description of one of them in the HH artwork books that he was rather fat and on some sort of walker platform, flanked by guards.

As I said I don't exactly remember them growing any sort of biological tank but maybe out there, there may be a Forge World or Magos that possibly could ?? It's all speculation.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's exactly what we got with the Scions book though.

No, we got a mini codex (reminder: supplements require another codex to be used) that could be used by itself or for allying with, followed by the full codex that had a slightly different version of the units from the mini codex (namely the orders and formations aren't available).

So no, it's not what we got with the Scions, because the claim is we're getting two codex supplements for a codex that doesn't exist yet.

Yes, like the Tempestus book ;-) And yes, there is a good chance we will get painting guides and other material like cards etc. But what LoW said was these are not one but two pre-codex supplement books. I remember someone asking, 'Two supplements?" and they answered what I quoted "Supplements, and models" (in my post before this one). I wasn't believing it either at first

 e.earnshaw wrote:
I supose a overpowerd rule set will have us swearing that we love them.
If they add a dark mechanicus that would be great.

I don't know what you're talking about, I like them already.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
So will it be adeptus mechanicus: skitarii then later adeptus mechanicus codex ?

Yes

I'd love to see some of your own concept drawings of what you ('you' as in those of you that that don't like it) wanted in an AdMech walker. There's only so many ways to design one without it looking Ghost in the Shell, Battletech, or Steampunk, while still fitting the Imperial or quasi-Imperial 40K look. I like the Defiler tie in, more of a visual link between Chaos and Imperial tech is a good thing.

Looking forward to a GW release, for the first time since 3rd Ed. Space Hulk. Can't wait!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's exactly what we got with the Scions book though.

No, we got a mini codex (reminder: supplements require another codex to be used) that could be used by itself or for allying with, followed by the full codex that had a slightly different version of the units from the mini codex (namely the orders and formations aren't available).

So no, it's not what we got with the Scions, because the claim is we're getting two codex supplements for a codex that doesn't exist yet.

The Scions book was a supplement book. It's no different than Harlequins.

Sure, they can be used as standalone books but call it what it was.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's exactly what we got with the Scions book though.

No, we got a mini codex (reminder: supplements require another codex to be used) that could be used by itself or for allying with, followed by the full codex that had a slightly different version of the units from the mini codex (namely the orders and formations aren't available).

So no, it's not what we got with the Scions, because the claim is we're getting two codex supplements for a codex that doesn't exist yet.

Okay, there is the confusion coming from. What LoW means is independent books like the Tempestus one. The full rules for the units will have to be in the early books of course. Tempestus shows they are willing to do this

Warhams-77 wrote:
Yes, like the Tempestus book ;-) And yes, there is a good chance we will get painting guides and other material like cards etc. But what LoW said was these are not one but two pre-codex supplement books. I remember someone asking, 'Two supplements?" and they answered what I quoted "Supplements, and models" (in my post before this one). I wasn't believing it either at first

This is a Codex:


This is a Codex Supplement:


A codex, regardless of size, is self contained and does not require an additional book to field a legal army (yes, even the Lost and the Damned who can lose turn 1 is a legal army by itself, even if it's a dumb idea). A Codex Supplement is not self contained and needs a codex to be able to field it's options since it does not have unit lists inside that allow it to field a legal army by itself.

What we got for the Scions was a codex, not a supplement.

So no, I really don't think that this is a supplement, much less that we're getting two of them. I believe that the more logical answer here is a mini-dex (that is a small codex like Scions that contains a low unit count of available units), and the other book is a painting guide.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's exactly what we got with the Scions book though.

No, we got a mini codex (reminder: supplements require another codex to be used) that could be used by itself or for allying with, followed by the full codex that had a slightly different version of the units from the mini codex (namely the orders and formations aren't available).

So no, it's not what we got with the Scions, because the claim is we're getting two codex supplements for a codex that doesn't exist yet.

The Scions book was a supplement book. It's no different than Harlequins.

Sure, they can be used as standalone books but call it what it was.

Supplements use the word "supplement" on the cover. So you're so far out there you're not even wrong.

Well they are diffrent to the 30k mechanicum but visually some of the same syle would be nice or any links from the jhon blance style we were hoping for.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's exactly what we got with the Scions book though.

No, we got a mini codex (reminder: supplements require another codex to be used) that could be used by itself or for allying with, followed by the full codex that had a slightly different version of the units from the mini codex (namely the orders and formations aren't available).

So no, it's not what we got with the Scions, because the claim is we're getting two codex supplements for a codex that doesn't exist yet.

Okay, there is the confusion coming from. What LoW means is independent books like the Tempestus one. The full rules for the units will have to be in the early books of course. Tempestus shows they are willing to do this

It shows that they are willing to do ONE like this, not TWO. Especially not two different ones for the same batch of models. Furthermore there is a very clear difference between "supplement" and "codex" and misusing language only muddies the water, especially in rumors.

If they meant it's like the Scions book then it's not a supplement and they seriously dropped the ball on getting their meaning across correctly.

Hey, Darnok called the Khorne Daemonkin Codex a supplement in his rumors as well. It turned out to be a Codex in the end. This early it is not making sense to talk specific termini

And I know the difference - and what it means for the game mechanics etc

The pedantry in this thread is humorous.

I can't wait to buy, then read, the AdMech Supplement and/or Codecies.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
I'd love to see some of your own concept drawings of what you ('you' as in those of you that that don't like it) wanted in an AdMech walker. There's only so many ways to design one without it looking Ghost in the Shell, Battletech, or Steampunk, while still fitting the Imperial or quasi-Imperial 40K look. I like the Defiler tie in, more of a visual link between Chaos and Imperial tech is a good thing.

Looking forward to a GW release, for the first time since 3rd Ed. Space Hulk. Can't wait!

Okay, I would have loved a GiTS style thing (and I still have hopes the walker-transport rumor turns out to be one of these because that would be awesome).

If its a suplament what if no main codex comes its like inquisition its a suplment for all imperail forces.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hey, Darnok called the Khorne Daemonkin Codex a supplement in his rumors as well. It turned out to be a Codex in the end. This early it is not making sense to talk specific termini

And I know the difference - and what it means for the game mechanics etc

It's never too early to be correct.

And if you know the difference then you shouldn't be misusing language like you don't. It only undermines your position.

Frankly I'm done with this argument because you clearly are just trying to twist the meanings (that you claim to know but misuse) to make your interpretation correct. I await the actual release of whatever books are coming and until then stand by my own theory. If I'm wrong, so be it, but I'll cross that bridge if I come to it.


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 e.earnshaw wrote:
If its a suplament what if no main codex comes its like inquisition its a suplment for all imperail forces.

Inquisition is a codex. A codex designed mainly to ally to other armies, but you can play it as a legal, stand alone army, without any real problems (especially now that you can take as many FOCs as you want to load up on henchmen).

Come on people, we should feel lucky it's a walker-tank and not a giant mechanical dog.

The infantry is looking interesting, and the walker is at least great conversion parts. They are generic type looking parts that can be mixed and matched with other styles of stuff. The walker itself at least fits into the pre-existing 40k aesthetic, it just looks like a more advanced version of a sentinel, or next to imperial guard tanks... and would look much better in a dingy metal paint scheme. At least we can take the top off and build more interesting conversions on top of it using it as a platform. If it were an artsy creation of skulls and mechadendrites while that would be cool, keep in mind it would likely be more mono-pose, and your just going to end up having that guy that buys like four of them, builds them exactly the same way and gives it a neon green paintjob.

Imma wait until something larger than 8 x 8 pixels appears before judging, but looks promising!

All Codexes are also supplements.

Just had a look at my Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

On the back, near the 40K-logo, it clearly states "A supplement for Warhammer 40.000". Just sayin.

As for "Codex-supplements" of the kind that require a Codex, as well as the BRB to play, GW seems to have phased those out. Blood Angels didn't get one, nor Necrons or Harlequins. On the other hand, Necrons and Harlequins did get all their formations that used to be in the "supplements" like Champions of Fenris inside the Codex itself (BA being a bit of an odd bridge-product).

Thus, "supplements" sure looks like a retired concept to me. Thoughts?

Wonderwolf wrote:
All Codexes are also supplements.

Just had a look at my Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

On the back, near the 40K-logo, it clearly states "A supplement for Warhammer 40.000". Just sayin.

As for "Codex-supplements" of the kind that require a Codex, as well as the BRB to play, GW seems to have phased those out. Blood Angels didn't get one, nor Necrons or Harlequins. On the other hand, Necrons and Harlequins did get all their formations that used to be in the "supplements" like Champions of Fenris inside the Codex itself (BA being a bit of an odd bridge-product).

Thus, "supplements" sure looks like a retired concept to me. Thoughts?

Since when has a codex been marketed as a supplement though?

I'm really liking what I've seen so far, this is going to be the most interesting GW release in a while... (this year, for moi)
I have noticed a pattern emerging from all of these rapid GW releases, as stuff I tend to like is usually panned by the Dakka community and items I think are ugly beyond belief are usually universally loved...

I'll have to wait and see but I'm liking the look of both the robed figure and the slightly awkward looking walking vehicle, it doesn't look at all elegant or overly sophisticated, which is great imo!

That tiny picture looks really promising. This is the first bit of 40K that I'm excited for since plastic Sternguard

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
All Codexes are also supplements.

Just had a look at my Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

On the back, near the 40K-logo, it clearly states "A supplement for Warhammer 40.000". Just sayin.

As for "Codex-supplements" of the kind that require a Codex, as well as the BRB to play, GW seems to have phased those out. Blood Angels didn't get one, nor Necrons or Harlequins. On the other hand, Necrons and Harlequins did get all their formations that used to be in the "supplements" like Champions of Fenris inside the Codex itself (BA being a bit of an odd bridge-product).

Thus, "supplements" sure looks like a retired concept to me. Thoughts?

Since when has a codex been marketed as a supplement though?

Silly rabbit, GW doesn't DO marketing of anything!