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 plastictrees wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Ultimately, it's a matter of opinion at the end of the day, but people some so desperate for this new faction, that they seem to have suspended their critical thinking on this one, which is unlike dakka.

That, or some people like stuff that you don't...

It must be exhausting to be in a constant state of smug surprise at the differing choices of people around you. "Diet _pepsi_? What kind of a madhouse have I walked in to here?!?"

Il like diet pepsi

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
These have got to be some of the ugliest GW models I have ever seen, and I've been in this hobby 25+ years.

When I first saw those infantry models, I thought the Chaos cultists were getting their box set at last.

And those walkers - it reminds me of a sparrow's leg!

Very poor GW. Very poor.

What puzzles me is the reaction from other posters. It's like the scene in Spinal Tap where they get to see the new album cover (it's completely black) and everybody trying to justify how great it is, when in fact it's plain black.

The Dark Elves got a lot of criticism when they got new models. Dark Elves got shot down in flames. and Grey Knights nearly provoked a riot on this forum when they got new stuff a while ago

And yet, people look at these models as though it was the plastic thunderhawk!!

Ultimately, it's a matter of opinion at the end of the day, but people some so desperate for this new faction, that they seem to have suspended their critical thinking on this one, which is unlike dakka.

My two pence.

Yes, because clearly your poor sense of taste is a failure of our critical thinking.


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Eyjio wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Did GW ever resolve how Rending and Armourbane interact?

Because the armourbane sniper rifle should also get rending from the sniper rule, right? If either dice can give a bonus to penetration, that seems like a viable anti-tank gun.

1) Snipers no longer rend
2) Even if they did, rending doesn't give AP2 vs vehicles, so at best you're knocking off 1 HP and a gun.

Rending does give an extra +d3 on armour pen rolls though.


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 ChaosxVoid wrote:
I agree with you completely, honestly this is the worse release to date IMO (to each there own) but the walkers pilots seriously look like the gyro cycle from south park man do you guys not see it?!

Clearly we didn't the last half a dozen times someone else said it. I mean clearly it can't be a servitor whose limbs where amputated in favor of interface connections and has a feeding tube. Nope must clearly be a South Park reference that people seem to keep making yet no one has recognized yet.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Omnissiah: Fabricator General! Find me 5 Skitarii with attitude!
Fabricator General: Aye yai yai! Right away!

Go go Skitarii Rangers
(doo... doo.. doo... doodoo)
Go go Skitarii Rangers
(doo... doo.. doo... doodoo)
Go Go Skitarii Rangers
Flesh is weak/Praise the om-ni-sy-aahhhh

This show has been cancelled in Austrailia.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
These have got to be some of the ugliest GW models I have ever seen, and I've been in this hobby 25+ years.

When I first saw those infantry models, I thought the Chaos cultists were getting their box set at last.

And those walkers - it reminds me of a sparrow's leg!

Very poor GW. Very poor.

What puzzles me is the reaction from other posters. It's like the scene in Spinal Tap where they get to see the new album cover (it's completely black) and everybody trying to justify how great it is, when in fact it's plain black.

The Dark Elves got a lot of criticism when they got new models. Dark Elves got shot down in flames. and Grey Knights nearly provoked a riot on this forum when they got new stuff a while ago

And yet, people look at these models as though it was the plastic thunderhawk!!

Ultimately, it's a matter of opinion at the end of the day, but people some so desperate for this new faction, that they seem to have suspended their critical thinking on this one, which is unlike dakka.

My two pence.

Yes, because clearly your poor sense of taste is a failure of our critical thinking.


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Eyjio wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Did GW ever resolve how Rending and Armourbane interact?

Because the armourbane sniper rifle should also get rending from the sniper rule, right? If either dice can give a bonus to penetration, that seems like a viable anti-tank gun.

1) Snipers no longer rend
2) Even if they did, rending doesn't give AP2 vs vehicles, so at best you're knocking off 1 HP and a gun.

Rending does give an extra +d3 on armour pen rolls though.


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 ChaosxVoid wrote:
I agree with you completely, honestly this is the worse release to date IMO (to each there own) but the walkers pilots seriously look like the gyro cycle from south park man do you guys not see it?!

Clearly we didn't the last half a dozen times someone else said it. I mean clearly it can't be a servitor whose limbs where amputated in favor of interface connections and has a feeding tube. Nope must clearly be a South Park reference that people seem to keep making yet no one has recognized yet.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Omnissiah: Fabricator General! Find me 5 Skitarii with attitude!
Fabricator General: Aye yai yai! Right away!

Go go Skitarii Rangers
(doo... doo.. doo... doodoo)
Go go Skitarii Rangers
(doo... doo.. doo... doodoo)
Go Go Skitarii Rangers
Flesh is weak/Praise the om-ni-sy-aahhhh

This show has been cancelled in Austrailia.

I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

chaos0xomega wrote:
These minis strike me as being far more Tech Guard, less Skitarii

Tech-Guard = Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii in the same way that Space Marine = Adeptus Astartes and Imperial Guard = Astra Millitarum.

There is a Low and High Gothic name for everything.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

Yes because two models in robes must automatically be the same thing.

The connection was already made, but I find it just as silly now as it was made then.

 Crablezworth wrote:
I was hoping more for something more along the lines of this bad boy

It's funny you say that - I could never take those things seriously. They remind me way too much of that fat robot thing from Sonic 2.



Maybe it's just me, but I can't take anything which looks like it's from a Sonic game seriously.

Certainly cannot be, GW designers live in a vacuum sealed cave and have only their own genius for inspiration and design.

The outside world is otiose in inspirational elements.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

I certainly see where you're coming from, but the high tech weapons, well-made symmetrical armor, the uniformity and the giant cog wheel with a skull in it convey AdMech quite clearly.

Something I don't understand is when people (Not you my friend, just people) see a release and say something along the lines of:

"Oh that's sentinel legs, and a battle wagon turret." Really?? I mean, really? Just because two shapes sort of look like each other, that's proof they took inspiration form their other kits? I wonder if these same people see that the legs look nothing like the defiler legs and a whole lot like the Imperial knight kit, or the fine rail that goes around the top of the turret. In general these are all new sculpts and not "lazy design" since each of those vehicle parts, infantry etc had to be drawn, rendered and cast as a unique entity. I guess if you're squeezing your eyes shut and can barely make out the silhouette of the figure you'd have a point, but the level of detail is just too great to call this lazy.


My 2 cents as it were.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

Yes because two models in robes must automatically be the same thing.

The connection was already made, but I find it just as silly now as it was made then.

You don't think it's lazy design on GW's part?

edit: @ Eyjio: Why do you have to ruin that for me as well....

We know there's at least 3 kits

Harlies got 3 clamshell. 1 troop and 2 skimmers ( okay made from 1 box ) and a bike thingy

So far Skitari have 1 box ( that makes 2 troops ) and 2 walkers 1 dragoon like and the other that spider type tank thing.

I'm fairly safe to say we will probably get 1 clamshell.

 Hive City Dweller wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

I certainly see where you're coming from, but the high tech weapons, well-made symmetrical armor, the uniformity and the giant cog wheel with a skull in it convey AdMech quite clearly.

Something I don't understand is when people (Not you my friend, just people) see a release and say something along the lines of:

"Oh that's sentinel legs, and a battle wagon turret." Really?? I mean, really? Just because two shapes sort of look like each other, that's proof they took inspiration form their other kits? I wonder if these same people see that the legs look nothing like the defiler legs and a whole lot like the Imperial knight kit, or the fine rail that goes around the top of the turret. In general these are all new sculpts and not "lazy design" since each of those vehicle parts, infantry etc had to be drawn, rendered and cast as a unique entity. I guess if you're squeezing your eyes shut and can barely make out the silhouette of the figure you'd have a point, but the level of detail is just too great to call this lazy.


My 2 cents as it were.

I find myself in agreement with you again. Obviously, the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Imperial Guard, being part of the imperium, are going to have a lot in common from a design point of view - after all, the forge worlds make stuff for the Imperial guard, as you know.

But I just expected the armies of Mars to look more high tech. After all, they are the guys who control the technology in the Imperium.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

Yes because two models in robes must automatically be the same thing.

The connection was already made, but I find it just as silly now as it was made then.

You don't think it's lazy design on GW's part?

Including attributes associated with AdMech in their AdMech release? No.
You've acknowledged that your opinion is just that, despite your incredibly obnoxious opening post. I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to objectively 'prove' that these minis aren't any good.

 Crablezworth wrote:
I was hoping more for something more along the lines of this bad boy

It will be interesting to see how FW will approach an Imperial Armor book to allow these 30k era relic machines into Machine Cult and Skitarii armies.

I think your comparison to a Wild Wild West sorta steampunk is funny because that kinda how I feel FW went wrong with all their Mechanicum tanks. Despite artwork to the contrary those vehicles ended up having all sorts of exposed machine bits in areas they really didn't need to, but in that kinda way defines the steampunk style. Here however I think GW has done a better job of it.

People have wanted mechanicus for a while and while that leads to people's own creative views on how they should look the Ranger/Vanguards deliver 95% of how artworks depicted Skitarii.

I think that the different walkers actually cast a fair representation of the fluff. The Mechanicus have been taking advantage of the technology from Knight worlds over the last 10,000 years and I think show that. The turret on the Onenger is a bit meh... but the rest depicts the feudal nature of the Mechanicus and the technology they've absorbed from Knight worlds.

i'm not seeing lazy design on any of these new minis...
the chicken-walker, and the infantry, both look like pretty inspired designs to me...
i'm loving the servitor driver on the walker...
he looks suitably grim-dark, to me...
the mechanical legs on the infantry, and the greatcoats, are pretty awesome, in my opinion...

i look forward to picking up a box of each...
i'm so stoked that these were actually made!!!
i would have been sad if this rumor turned out to be false...

cheers
jah

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

Yes because two models in robes must automatically be the same thing.

The connection was already made, but I find it just as silly now as it was made then.

You don't think it's lazy design on GW's part?

Considering all the mars troops, admech troops etc I have ever seen had robes.... not really. Their robes are red to represent Mars, their robes also symbolize a cult status and their mechanical mimicking bodies show their devotion to the machine. It all seems like deliberate design choices to me, that all hint towards their identity.

Ironic really, considering you brought up critical thinking, yet you cant put ideas together and see the logic behind them Instead you saw two things that are similar and assumed they are the same (or more bluntly, you saw a lazy rip off).

What do you consider lazy design? Because their design is well thought out, given they are a machine cult (their design reflects this) who are militarized with the best technology they have to offer in a time where they dont understand the tech (steam punk appearance) adds further the mystic look they have combined with their robes and colouring all comes together in a pretty strong theme.

Of course, none of the above matters if you simply dont like the design. But your distaste for the models is not critical thinking. Nor is the design lazy. If you look at the models, you can see deliberate design choices that fit in reasonably with the theme as far as I can tell.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


I find myself in agreement with you again. Obviously, the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Imperial Guard, being part of the imperium, are going to have a lot in common from a design point of view - after all, the forge worlds make stuff for the Imperial guard, as you know.

But I just expected the armies of Mars to look more high tech. After all, they are the guys who control the technology in the Imperium.

These are just the Mechanicus' main troops. If we are to believe that technology is even scarcer than it was in 30k, its reasonable to believe that individual techpriests would keep what remains of that technology guarded even from their most rank and file troops.

The IG and SM rely on armor, but the Mechanicus don't rely on that as much. They have less flesh to protect. That much comes across and that's pretty advance.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

This show has been cancelled in Austrailia.

Major Motion picture release in the works and at least a season of the TV series picking up where the movie leaves off...

Power Rangers are harder to keep down than Necrons.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
And yet, people look at these models as though it was the plastic thunderhawk!!

It might as well be. It's an Adeptus Mechanicus Codex. The fact that we got this and a Harlequin Codex in the same year, let alone at all, is the closest thing to a miracle GW has managed to pull off in years.

Sry if ninja'd or already posted.

I hope the Walker isn't packaged as units of one, actually. Given that it, y'know, comes in squads of 6 and is cheap enough points wise to take that proposition seriously.

Imagine what the genestealer cultists are going to look like?

I'm not getting the "lazy" comments really.

I can see people not liking them, but I think they're great. Very detailed and bizarre.

@ I_do_not_like_that:


Ad Mech designs, even fan-scratch-bash-built ones, have always looked like a tornado went through the plumbing section at Home Depot. I find that this official iteration of these designs adequate. I might have liked seeing more gears, pulleys, and chaindrives, but what there is, I feel, is good.

By "high-tech" do you mean more wires and gears, pistons, and gribbley know-wots, or do you mean sleek and clean high-tech closer to what we see on the Tau?

The only thing I could see the Ad Mech keeping for themselves, ergo "high-tech" would be more anti gravity vehicles or "driverless" machines with servitor brains hard-wired in.

Sure there are thousands of possibilities, but this is what we have for now.

So are those the only units in the codex?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

Yes because two models in robes must automatically be the same thing.

The connection was already made, but I find it just as silly now as it was made then.

You don't think it's lazy design on GW's part?

No, because beyond robes or the very weak connection of masks visually they aren't that similar. It's more like your bending over backwards to find a reason to complain about this release.

Oh wait isn't there still some sort of tank walker or whatever?

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I can't be the only person that thinks chaos cultist when looking at the infantry models.

Yes because two models in robes must automatically be the same thing.

The connection was already made, but I find it just as silly now as it was made then.

You don't think it's lazy design on GW's part?

Considering all the mars troops, admech troops etc I have ever seen had robes.... not really. Their robes are red to represent Mars, their robes also symbolize a cult status and their mechanical mimicking bodies show their devotion to the machine. It all seems like deliberate design choices to me, that all hint towards their identity.

Ironic really, considering you brought up critical thinking, yet you cant put ideas together and see the logic behind them Instead you saw two things that are similar and assumed they are the same (or more bluntly, you saw a lazy rip off).

What do you consider lazy design? Because their design is well thought out, given they are a machine cult (their design reflects this) who are militarized with the best technology they have to offer in a time where they dont understand the tech (steam punk appearance) adds further the mystic look they have combined with their robes and colouring all comes together in a pretty strong theme.

Of course, none of the above matters if you simply dont like the design. But your distaste for the models is not critical thinking. Nor is the design lazy. If you look at the models, you can see deliberate design choices that fit in reasonably with the theme as far as I can tell.

Logic? What Logic? The most technologically advanced force in the Imperium is running around on a machine that exposes vital crew members to enemy fire and you're talking about logical design?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Like I said, Death Korps of Krieg with spiky bits, or chaos cultists with some metal tacked on. Usually, by this stage, somebody else has pointed that out.

Aside from the fact that they're wearing long coats, they look nothing like either of those.

And the walker is just awesome. It's exactly the sort of insane design that the AdMech should have.

 ChaosxVoid wrote:
I agree with you completely, honestly this is the worse release to date IMO (to each there own) but the walkers pilots seriously look like the gyro cycle from south park man do you guys not see it?!

Seriously, folks, it doesn't have to be pointed out on every single page. Any further South Park references get pinged as spam.

Meh.

It isn't like the design team reached into my head with the infantry kit, but I don't dislike them.

Really, really conflicted about the Robochicken.

I'm pleased that people are liking them, I'm relieved that I'm not so taken with them that I'll feel compelled to add any to my already adequate collection of armies. Yet, at least.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
And yet, people look at these models as though it was the plastic thunderhawk!!

It might as well be. It's an Adeptus Mechanicus Codex. The fact that we got this and a Harlequin Codex in the same year, let alone at all, is the closest thing to a miracle GW has managed to pull off in years.

I'll concede that point