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 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
From a fluff point of view, every time I look at that walker I think Eldar Ranger and headshot.

Yeah, I know they'd probably have forcefields, but I doubt if the Eldar lose any sleep about Imperium technology.

The Imperium has been fighting the galaxy for 10,000 years, you'd think the effects of enemy snipers would have filtered back to Mars by now!

The way I see it, that machine is nothing more than an expendable beast of burden. A horse. One from a universe where human slaves and cybernetics are cheaper and more abundant than actual horses.

"I'm a pretty pony!" being both the mantra and cyber-dream reality of the Ironstrider corps.

 jah-joshua wrote:
i'm not seeing lazy design on any of these new minis...
the chicken-walker, and the infantry, both look like pretty inspired designs to me...
i'm loving the servitor driver on the walker...
he looks suitably grim-dark, to me...
the mechanical legs on the infantry, and the greatcoats, are pretty awesome, in my opinion...

i look forward to picking up a box of each...
i'm so stoked that these were actually made!!!
i would have been sad if this rumor turned out to be false...

cheers
jah

Oh my god we are agreeing again what is the world coming too!
I like the designs, i don't like blanche's drawings but they got the essence of it, Don't understand the hate the 30k mechanicus is a total different beast than the 40k one.
I even like the spider tank. makes me think of a KV2 turret on legs or this;

BrianDavion wrote:



yeah except I've been noting the differance between the "table meta" and the "universe meta" for some time now

You mean since 1987?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000:_Rogue_Trader

 Lobukia wrote:
Dragoons on 10 Meq
HoW Kills 1
5 more die from attacks
Remaining 4 need Krak gernades
2 hit, 1 might wound

So then its 4 on 6
the remaining 4 MEQ attack, maybe another wounds and drop one of 6 (that's 45 points lost)
The last 5 attack, killing 3, maybe 4

I think you get the point... MEQ should still fear these

Not checked the math on the hits and wounds, however one key bit of math is missing, those six dragoons cost 270 points, you get more than 10 MEQ bodies for that if anything you're just shy of 20. It's also not a good idea to look at units in isolation, I'm sure they won't have made mechanicum a terrible army, but it's hard to draw much of a conclusion on anything just yet. I completely agree that a lack of AP3 doesn't make it somehow 'bad' though, they're quite versatile.

 Lockark wrote:

No Power Fist?

Even if it did, good odds that it gets removed on the earlier attacks... if it stays in, two str 8 hits across two turns might kill a second walker... which still wipes out the squad with 4 walkers left... 90 points given for around 180... thats a solid trade... and again, lots of armies don't have 3+ saves and ATSKNF


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 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Dragoons on 10 Meq
HoW Kills 1
5 more die from attacks
Remaining 4 need Krak gernades
2 hit, 1 might wound

So then its 4 on 6
the remaining 4 MEQ attack, maybe another wounds and drop one of 6 (that's 45 points lost)
The last 5 attack, killing 3, maybe 4

I think you get the point... MEQ should still fear these

Not checked the math on the hits and wounds, however one key bit of math is missing, those six dragoons cost 270 points, you get more than 10 MEQ bodies for that if anything you're just shy of 20. It's also not a good idea to look at units in isolation, I'm sure they won't have made mechanicum a terrible army, but it's hard to draw much of a conclusion on anything just yet. I completely agree that a lack of AP3 doesn't make it somehow 'bad' though, they're quite versatile.

True, but more often than not, you're attacking units of 10 when dealing with MEQ... I'm not saying at points they're better than marines, just that MEQ aren't a huge hurdle simply due to the lack of low AP.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Dragoons on 10 Meq
HoW Kills 1
5 more die from attacks
Remaining 4 need Krak gernades
2 hit, 1 might wound

So then its 4 on 6
the remaining 4 MEQ attack, maybe another wounds and drop one of 6 (that's 45 points lost)
The last 5 attack, killing 3, maybe 4

I think you get the point... MEQ should still fear these

Not checked the math on the hits and wounds, however one key bit of math is missing, those six dragoons cost 270 points, you get more than 10 MEQ bodies for that if anything you're just shy of 20. It's also not a good idea to look at units in isolation, I'm sure they won't have made mechanicum a terrible army, but it's hard to draw much of a conclusion on anything just yet. I completely agree that a lack of AP3 doesn't make it somehow 'bad' though, they're quite versatile.

To me it's that it has made them almost to specialized. Like I said agiest other walks and tanks their going to be amazing. Their just going to cause so many glanceing and pen hits agiest anything short of a land raider you will wrek most tanks outright.

I feel Infantry are going to Tarpit them prety bad.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
i'm not seeing lazy design on any of these new minis...
the chicken-walker, and the infantry, both look like pretty inspired designs to me...
i'm loving the servitor driver on the walker...
he looks suitably grim-dark, to me...
the mechanical legs on the infantry, and the greatcoats, are pretty awesome, in my opinion...

i look forward to picking up a box of each...
i'm so stoked that these were actually made!!!
i would have been sad if this rumor turned out to be false...

cheers
jah

Oh my god we are agreeing again what is the world coming too!
I like the designs, i don't like blanche's drawings but they got the essence of it, Don't understand the hate the 30k mechanicus is a total different beast than the 40k one.
I even like the spider tank. makes me think of a KV2 turret on legs or this;

Spoiler:

I fail to see a problem with that.

Lobukia, how many dragoons are you using in that math hammer?

Because their is no way you are getting a full 6 man squad of these guys into CC.

Useing a more consertative 3 man squad I only kill like 3 MEQ on the charge according to my math

 Lockark wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Dragoons on 10 Meq
HoW Kills 1
5 more die from attacks
Remaining 4 need Krak gernades
2 hit, 1 might wound

So then its 4 on 6
the remaining 4 MEQ attack, maybe another wounds and drop one of 6 (that's 45 points lost)
The last 5 attack, killing 3, maybe 4

I think you get the point... MEQ should still fear these

Not checked the math on the hits and wounds, however one key bit of math is missing, those six dragoons cost 270 points, you get more than 10 MEQ bodies for that if anything you're just shy of 20. It's also not a good idea to look at units in isolation, I'm sure they won't have made mechanicum a terrible army, but it's hard to draw much of a conclusion on anything just yet. I completely agree that a lack of AP3 doesn't make it somehow 'bad' though, they're quite versatile.

To me it's that it has made them almost to specialized. Like I said agiest other walks and tanks their going to be amazing. Their just going to cause so many glanceing and pen hits agiest anything short of a land raider you will wrek most tanks outright.

I feel Infantry are going to Tarpit them prety bad.

looking at the army over all I think they're going to be frightfully effective vs tanks heavy armies, and reasonably alright vs infantry but nothing special. they do strike me as a bit odd with their WS4 given their relitive lack of melee capability.

Huh, earlier in the thread I was accused of making up rumours and hijacking the thread and now we have pictures of the skitarii. I see that the Blackshirt who told me they were on the way was telling the truth. I look forward to getting some Mechanicus troops at long last.

As is usually the case with these things, the rules are written in a way that makes you question if the people writing them understand or even play the game they're writing for.

Still, the models and hopefully the fluff will be up to snuff. They'll make great companions to my Venetorii/Crimson Guard.

Praise the Omnissiah! These are awesome!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As is usually the case with these things, the rules are written in a way that makes you question if the people writing them understand or even play the game they're writing for.

Still, the models and hopefully the fluff will be up to snuff. They'll make great companions to my Venetorii/Crimson Guard.

They're writing for a game where people take basically as many different options as they can in an army instead of a lot of redundant units.

It's pretty clear they have a rather tenuous, or passing relationship with the rules of their own game. Just look at the Heavy Support walker. In what world is that a useful thing to have on the table? A big tall TL-Lascannon that's AV11 and Open Topped and costs 75 points a pop?

To me, a lot of the stuff looks like someone looked at too many Alternate Universe Historicals.

I don't see "inspired" as someone said. I see "hey that stuff from range X over there should work" and so on. Just reminds me a lot of many things floating up and down the rumors page being sold by dozens of other startups.

Not saying I don't like the stuff. The troops are pretty good, and the walker is kind of ... odd...

The guy with his mouth on the breathalyzer is worse than the Dreadknight baby carrier.

I blow in here to make it go!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's pretty clear they have a rather tenuous, or passing relationship with the rules of their own game. Just look at the Heavy Support walker. In what world is that a useful thing to have on the table? A big tall TL-Lascannon that's AV11 and Open Topped and costs 75 points a pop?

Don't forget the BS2 vs flyers, on Overwatch or shooting Invisible units/models.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's pretty clear they have a rather tenuous, or passing relationship with the rules of their own game. Just look at the Heavy Support walker. In what world is that a useful thing to have on the table? A big tall TL-Lascannon that's AV11 and Open Topped and costs 75 points a pop?

Don't forget the BS2 vs flyers, on Overwatch or shooting Invisible units/models.

yeah I looked at it and immediatly saw uses for it. it's 55 points for a autocanon on a fast platform.

And precision shot for when you REALLY want their Warlord/key model killed dead (for those moments when Str 4 AP 4 isn't enough)

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's pretty clear they have a rather tenuous, or passing relationship with the rules of their own game. Just look at the Heavy Support walker. In what world is that a useful thing to have on the table? A big tall TL-Lascannon that's AV11 and Open Topped and costs 75 points a pop?

Don't forget the BS2 vs flyers, on Overwatch or shooting Invisible units/models.

yeah I looked at it and immediatly saw uses for it. it's 55 points for a autocanon on a fast platform.

I think even the Lascannon is decent. I won't say it's the best thing ever, but it's one of the better Lascannon platforms out there.

After looking at these guys all afternoon, I have a few comments on the details I'm sure a lot of people caught as well:

1) Rangers/Vanguard:
* One of the models can take a type of Vox Caster called the "enhancer data-tether" which gives the unit a temporary boost to leadership if they are affected by the AdMech system of orders (Doctrina Imperative) This seems to be analogous to the imperial order system/vox network.
*The base that the sniper weapon is mounted on is quite a bit taller than the 25mm bases adjacent, making me think its a new size. (I'm thinking of the shield of Baal Tyranid creature base, and it doesn't look like a cavalry base which would be skinnier and not as tall)

2) Dragoons/Ballistarii:
*From an aesthetic perspective: All the mechanical parts and all the armored parts have the same look, design and ornamentation as the Imperial Knight. This leads me to suspect this army will be yet another opportunity for GW to sell the Knight kit. It will happen I'm sure of it.
*The servitor's legs are amputated and wired directly into the walker's legs. very neat attention to detail.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
From a fluff point of view, every time I look at that walker I think Eldar Ranger and headshot.

Yeah, I know they'd probably have forcefields, but I doubt if the Eldar lose any sleep about Imperium technology.

The Imperium has been fighting the galaxy for 10,000 years, you'd think the effects of enemy snipers would have filtered back to Mars by now!

They have a truce, the Imperium won't headshot warwalkers if the Eldar don't headshot sentinels and Justice Joggers.

Hollismason wrote:So ... they have no transports at all for their troops?

There is suppose to be a transport variant of this:



Why its not in the WD article is likely a combination of things. I don't remember did the Harlequin rules previewed in WD include their transport prior to its release?

Its possible that even though its transport capable its treated like the land raider and thus we just have to wait until it shows up with its own unit entry. Or maybe the transport variant doesn't appear in the Skitarii book, but just the Machine Cult book.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
From a fluff point of view, every time I look at that walker I think Eldar Ranger and headshot.

Yeah, I know they'd probably have forcefields, but I doubt if the Eldar lose any sleep about Imperium technology.

The Imperium has been fighting the galaxy for 10,000 years, you'd think the effects of enemy snipers would have filtered back to Mars by now!

Let me introduce you to Space Wolves or any of the Space Marines that choose to ruin the integrity of their fancy shmancy armor by deciding 'I don't need no stinking helmet'. The Imperium at large doesn't understand the concept of headshots.

The boxy four legged sentential aside I'm really loving these models, the infantry is brilliant looking with lots of conversion potential, can't wait to see
all the bits these guys come with. Really like the walkers especially, they actually remind me of the old Zoids Pre-Era designs done by Kow Yokoyama
(of Ma.K fame) specifically the Roadskipper Ostrich-Type:


And this guy makes me wanna play Joust for some reason:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
From a fluff point of view, every time I look at that walker I think Eldar Ranger and headshot.

Yeah, I know they'd probably have forcefields, but I doubt if the Eldar lose any sleep about Imperium technology.

The Imperium has been fighting the galaxy for 10,000 years, you'd think the effects of enemy snipers would have filtered back to Mars by now!

Let me introduce you to Space Wolves or any of the Space Marines that choose to ruin the integrity of their fancy shmancy armor by deciding 'I don't need no stinking helmet'. The Imperium at large doesn't understand the concept of headshots.

And allow me to introduce both of you to this awesome article written about Helmets and 40k and why you can't apply your logic to the logic of the 41st millenium.

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?53617-Why-Don-t-They-Put-Their-Helmets-On

I'm looking at the pictures... do the bases seem oval to you guys/gals as well?

It might be the angle or my eyes being tired, but are we seeing a smaller version of the MC and flyers oval base?

I know it won't be in boxes of threes, or even twos, but damn I'd like to build/paint/convert those walkers.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm looking at the pictures... do the bases seem oval to you guys/gals as well?

It might be the angle or my eyes being tired, but are we seeing a smaller version of the MC and flyers oval base?

I know it won't be in boxes of threes, or even twos, but damn I'd like to build/paint/convert those walkers.

Indeed these are oval bases. Look to be smaller than flier base though.

The walker bases are oval. They'll be the new oval base the Carnifex came on in the recent campaign box.

Ditto for the support gun. That has the small oval the Broodlord character came in in the same box.

I'm thinking that the Ad Mech walkers are more likely on the smaller Shield of Baal Carnifex base:


The Knight base is 170x105mm and even with how tall those models are I just don't think they use a base that big.

And here I thought those walkers looked roughly Sentinel-sized, assumed they would be using the same bases. Well there goes my initial thoughts on proxies...