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I left playing 40k as I'd played every army except Eldar and felt uninspired to try anything else.

I now look at the Ad Mech and I'm dumbstruck and almost feel dirty by saying GDubs have actually done something right.

IMO, the models are gorgeous, clearly inspired by Blanche's artwork from 1st and 2nd ed. I have no complaints here.

The prices aren't bad either.

£23 for a squad of ten guys with that many options? That works for me. The Walkers seem fair priced too.

Finally, the rules. The Vanguard are kicking out a lot of firepower. Nearly Ork Shoota Boyz levels of firepower on a slightly more sturdy base. Coupled with their weird rules and the amount of special weapons the infantry can take, it's looking good.

I might have just been dragged back to the grim dark kicking and screaming.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

drbored wrote:
Just first week guys. There's so much more.

Remember, rumors pointed to two books: Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus, along with this being a FULL CODEX.

NOT the size of Harlequins, but BIGGER.

Special Imperial Knights perhaps and also tanks?

doubt it. IKs are their own seperate force and technicly are NOT part of the cult Mechancus.

tanks are a possiability but my gut feeling is they'll be a walker centric army to make them a bit more distinctive.

Still, assuming 2 dual kits each week for all of april that's a total of 16 units. which to put into prespective would mean the Skirtaii could well have nearly as many options as grey knights (hopefully they have more varied USEFUL options )

Love the weapon rules i read,
love the infantry and the the 2-legged-walker.

This is going to cost me money...

ORicK wrote:
This is going to cost me money...

That's the downside. I wonder how much 8 boxes of infantry will cost...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ORicK wrote:
This is going to cost me money...

That's the downside. I wonder how much 8 boxes of infantry will cost...

Well, we know the price in Euro, so let me do some quick Patented Australian Price Indexing here...

factoring in the hazard pay for delivery (drop bears and all, you know how it is), the translation fees, medical treatment for GW management upon seeing AUS minimum wage, hmm, our total comes to about...

$125 per box. Enjoy your Greatest Mininatures In The World from your Local HHHHobby Center.

Did anybody else notice the Dr Who reference on the Skitarii Vanguard?

If you look closely at their helmets they have the tear drop cut out that Cybermen have under each eye.

I think that's pretty cool.

Okay, this stuff now looks completely steampunk. While I normally would be all in favour of that, it's just not what I expect of the AdMech. The Mechanicum line captures the feeling much better for me. This stuff however isn't even properly fitting into 40k from my sense of aesthetics.

However, I am prepared to aknowledge that that's just my personal preference and others might like the models a lot. They don't seem half bad, so I guess it's one of the better GW releases.

 Toofast wrote:
The models are alright, but I play mostly competitive games so it doesn't look like I will be adding these as an allied detachment any time soon. If skitarii get a MC on par with the WK, riptide or baby carrier that will change my mind. So far they look to be on the same level as harlequins...

No no no. No more MC's which should be walkers. Ever.

Backfire wrote:
No no no. No more MC's which should be walkers. Ever.

Yes yes yes. Every walker should be a Toughness & Wounds character of some sort (not necessarily a Monstrous Creature).

I love steampunk too.
And a year ago I did buy a few Dystopian Legions models to use in 30k and for adeptus mechanicus.

But i would not call this steampunk, a bit of steampunk influence at most.
This more dark "retro-sci-fi" technology and that is what adeptus mechanicus always was. Lots of cyborg parts, tubes, gadgets etc.

I knew I have seen the Ironstrider silhouette before.
It's more GW love for old 2nd edition/Epic models!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ORicK wrote:
This is going to cost me money...

That's the downside. I wonder how much 8 boxes of infantry will cost...

You crazy crazy Person.

there's me thinking 2-3 boxes was wild with 5 dragoons

I would love the transport walker to be able to assault and then allow its transport capacity to assault or even shoot in the same assault, would be something quite different and edgy

@MajorWesJanson: i cannot see you picture, but do i assume right that it is the 1st/2nd edition Imperial Guard walker?

After i saw the picture of the new walker i instantly remembered i have 2 of those old metal walkers still lying somewhere "for a future" project, so this will be it!
So I will probably buy 2 and build 4 :-)

Are people not reading the same rules as me? Those rules are AWESOME.

Seriously those rangers are going to make it into my list....so much relentless haywire.....get a few pods.....BAMN

Cheap relentless troops with good heavy weapons choices, move through cover and long range basic guns is really good, yes.

The only problem I have with these so far is the potential for a single unit of the walkers to cost £180 if they come in individual 30 buck boxes.

Wonderwolf wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The Dragoon has me sold. The infantry strikes me as being somewhat disappointing though. The BL novels (including the excellent Titanicus by Dan Abnett) have described the Skitarii as being far more than human, some going so far as to say they rival (or exceed) space marines in both size and ability, with the Tech Guard being the more mundane bulk of Ad Mech forces (and essentially being better equipped IG forces). These minis strike me as being far more Tech Guard, less Skitarii

Tech Guard are Skitarri

From Lexicanum (based solely on pre-this-Codex-fluff)

"Skitarii" is the Mechanicus's official term for all military forces under its command (except for the Collegia Titanica, though the Legions may possess their own Skitarii forces). It is a term equivalent to the Imperial Guard as it generally includes almost all combat personnel and armour that the Mechanicus possesses. Skitarii are also known as Tech-Guard (or Tech Guard) to outsiders, and the singular form of Skitarii is "Skitarius." The term "Skitarii", however is often used to reference only the augmented infantry.

Skitarii are often armed with similar equipment to the Imperial Guard, though this can vary massively based on which Magos, Mechanicus Organisation or Forge World has raised and equipped them

It makes sense to have the most "mundane" variants be the rank and file, no?

Like I said, if you read some of the BL novels, the two are not the same. Especially Titanicus where theyre very clearly made out to be far more capable and deadly than Astartes.

In any case, Ive seen the rules now and am completely underwhelmed by the army. Feels like its basically Imperial Guard with Dark Eldar (ish) weapons - really weird and wonky special rules added on to weapons with otherwise weak profiles, but its okay because theyre mostly pretty cheap and you can minmax the hell out of them.

Good catch with the old models - I have missed where the prices where?

I'm not sure what to think of the new models. They are certainly well designed, but its not what I was expecting.
Where's the union between flesh and metal? Where are the mechadendrites?

They just look too clean. Like steam punk Romans.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Good catch with the old models - I have missed where the prices where?

Admech Skitarii – 10 minis can be built as Rangers or Vanguard. £23.50/€31 - about 40 bucks

Admech Ironstrider £29.50/€38 - about 50(I think)

All in all pretty reasonable prices considering all the BITS....so many bits.

Honestly from what it looks like 1 kit could easily go a long way towards converting a few more of them.

While I am on the fence about the walkers ability to be played(rules wise they are very good walkers, however wave serpents.......) but that movement speed and bs 2 twin-linked snapfire is pretty powerful. Combined with a FIXED movement speed boost in every phase. 9 inch basic move, around a 10 inch charge or 6-7 inch run. They are SUPER mobile.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I knew I have seen the Ironstrider silhouette before.
It's more GW love for old 2nd edition/Epic models!

Yay. So more designs that were created not based on the rule of cool but on the rule of "what can be cheap and easily produced using the techniques of 1975". I respect veteran nostalgia, but not all old models were good models.

 Kosake wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I knew I have seen the Ironstrider silhouette before.
It's more GW love for old 2nd edition/Epic models!

Yay. So more designs that were created not based on the rule of cool but on the rule of "what can be cheap and easily produced using the techniques of 1975". I respect veteran nostalgia, but not all old models were good models.

What? They clearly weren't made using techniques from 1975... They bear a passing resemblance to those models, that's it. They still had to sculpt them, make the moulds etc as they would if they weren't based off of those, it's no different.

Would like to these rules for Joust added to all Lances, and upgraded a few other units with the more complete version of Conversion field (Into Rosarius for example.)

I quite like the Skitarii variants, with a preference for the Rangers due to their heads, but feel their robes shouldn't have the beige/cream interiors and details and that the red should be much deeper and drabber. Better/more fitting paint jobs should make them look a lot better.

I cannot stand those walkers, the crab thing and the two legged one both. Give me FW's Mechanicum output any day. I know that the Mechnicum and AdMech are supposed to be quite different,but Ive seen many,many kitbashes around the internet that look like better stock AdMech vehicles.

At least the jouster can reach the ground with his taser lance! Unlike other things... I'm looking at you, Imperial Kinghts...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ORicK wrote:
This is going to cost me money...

That's the downside. I wonder how much 8 boxes of infantry will cost...

The infantry look to be in the same price range as an IG Heavy Weapons Squad box(which is $39.50 USD).
Since that same box is around $65 AUD, I think you're looking at around $520 AUD for 8 boxes of infantry.

Well I'm not going to buy them locally...

 ImAGeek wrote:

What? They clearly weren't made using techniques from 1975... They bear a passing resemblance to those models, that's it. They still had to sculpt them, make the moulds etc as they would if they weren't based off of those, it's no different.

Im not saying the current models are that bad. I say that when the innitial design is allready flawed (because it was decided upon not based on it's looks but based on it's feasibility) you should just change the design.

Some people consider the new hellbrute to be a rework of this old design here:


They reworked it, and it looks nice, fair enough. Here the model is not bad. If it were not intended for 40k, i'd say pretty nice design. But it does not fit well with the commonly used art and I think the initial model wasn't that good an idea to begin with. So yeah, the new model is detailed and whatnot, but the design is flawed.
ORicK's description as retro-futuristic is pretty accurate and I think it does not fit the setting at all. Again, just my personal opinion on the general aesthetics of the line. The models as such are nice and would lend themselves well for other games, but those walkers look like a spin on the spider-bot from Wild Wild West.

 Leth wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Good catch with the old models - I have missed where the prices where?

Admech Skitarii – 10 minis can be built as Rangers or Vanguard. £23.50/€31 - about 40 bucks

Admech Ironstrider £29.50/€38 - about 50(I think)

All in all pretty reasonable prices considering all the BITS....so many bits.

Honestly from what it looks like 1 kit could easily go a long way towards converting a few more of them.

While I am on the fence about the walkers ability to be played(rules wise they are very good walkers, however wave serpents.......) but that movement speed and bs 2 twin-linked snapfire is pretty powerful. Combined with a FIXED movement speed boost in every phase. 9 inch basic move, around a 10 inch charge or 6-7 inch run. They are SUPER mobile.

Thanks - Likely pick some up then - only vague interest in playability these days..............they fit with my idea of Adeptus Mechanicus and thats all that I want. I would have bought Harlequins but have plenty already and waiting for my Sisters to be redone although have hundreds of them too............

For me, once seen, cannot be unseen...