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Wow, I always figured if GW made proper Admech figures, they'd look ridiculous and ugly. These actually look kind of cool. Color me surprised.

migooo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Requizen wrote:
The only annoyance I have so far is the price of ranged/special weapons. Each gun is worth 2-3 models. And while the special rules are great, that could get expensive, fast. I would expect to see either large, unupgraded blobs, or small ones with upgrades.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the "Doctrina Imperative" might do something for the weapons on units.

Possible however my thought is probably LD tests or somesuch

We know there is a Leadership component, but whether it is something akin to Instinctive Behavior or Orders or Target Priority styled tests? No clue.
We know that there is a Leadership component because of the wording on the Enhanced Data-Tether("Whenever a unit with an enhanced data-tether is affected by a Doctrina Imperative, all models in the unit add 1 to the Leadership characteristic on their profile until the start of your next turn.") and Broad Spectrum Data-Tether("All models in friendly units with the Skitarii Faction that are within 6" of at least one model with a broad spectrum data-tether and are affected by a Doctrina Imperative add 1 to the Leadership characteristic on their profile until the start of your next turn.") tells us that. We also know that both of those specifically state that they cannot stack the two bonuses.

What we don't know is the effects of the Doctrina Imperative or what it actually does.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Like I said, if you read some of the BL novels, the two are not the same. Especially Titanicus where theyre very clearly made out to be far more capable and deadly than Astartes.

BL isn't exactly at the top of the canon pyramid you know.

GW's pretty much said 'everything is canon' so...

 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Requizen wrote:
The only annoyance I have so far is the price of ranged/special weapons. Each gun is worth 2-3 models. And while the special rules are great, that could get expensive, fast. I would expect to see either large, unupgraded blobs, or small ones with upgrades.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the "Doctrina Imperative" might do something for the weapons on units.

Possible however my thought is probably LD tests or somesuch

We know there is a Leadership component, but whether it is something akin to Instinctive Behavior or Orders or Target Priority styled tests? No clue.
We know that there is a Leadership component because of the wording on the Enhanced Data-Tether("Whenever a unit with an enhanced data-tether is affected by a Doctrina Imperative, all models in the unit add 1 to the Leadership characteristic on their profile until the start of your next turn.") and Broad Spectrum Data-Tether("All models in friendly units with the Skitarii Faction that are within 6" of at least one model with a broad spectrum data-tether and are affected by a Doctrina Imperative add 1 to the Leadership characteristic on their profile until the start of your next turn.") tells us that. We also know that both of those specifically state that they cannot stack the two bonuses.

What we don't know is the effects of the Doctrina Imperative or what it actually does.

Fingers crossed it's a random chart, woop woop !

I've seen two different Skitarii in the BL fluff. You've got the guard-like variants that are just as durable as Astartes (T3 FNP is kinda there). And then we have myrmidon like CC units, some with even tank treads instead of feet (would like to see those).

We've certainly seen these Skitarii in this release in the fluff, we also haven't seen everything from the fluff in this release. Then again they could be the elites we haven't yet met.

 Alpharius wrote:
GW's pretty much said 'everything is canon' so...

Yup, it's a big universe, lots of things can exist alongside each other. The existence of cyborg super soldier Skitarii in Titanicus doesn't invalidate this release. It only disappoints those who specifically wanted those particular models !

MaxT wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
GW's pretty much said 'everything is canon' so...

Yup, it's a big universe, lots of things can exist alongside each other. The existence of cyborg super soldier Skitarii in Titanicus doesn't invalidate this release. It only disappoints those who specifically wanted those particular models !

The cyborg supersoldiers would have been Praetorians, which are a part of the Skitarii sooo...

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Skitarii

You'll see this release is pretty inline with the established lore.

Knowing now that they dont have frag grenades, the Dragoons are slightly less attractive. Getting I6 on the charge is great but I'll just have to be really careful with my charging.


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though I can always hope that the actual codex entries may be slightly different.

They might get some round-about way to obtain "move through cover". It kind of came to mind when they're "Walkers" and have movement bonuses.

Unless they just expected the +3" movement to counter the -2" charging, and then forgot the I1...

 BlackTalos wrote:
They might get some round-about way to obtain "move through cover". It kind of came to mind when they're "Walkers" and have movement bonuses.

Unless they just expected the +3" movement to counter the -2" charging, and then forgot the I1...

The have move through cover, but that doesnt help with the initiative penalty

Wow clearly this release was not for me. The walker is probably one of the worst models I've seen them make in quite some time and can't figure out why everyone likes it so much.

 Ignatius wrote:
Wow clearly this release was not for me. The walker is probably one of the worst models I've seen them make in quite some time and can't figure out why everyone likes it so much.

It's a retro design, everyone who loves 60s-70s sci-fi and early GW stuff would love it.

So I haven't kept up... is Skitarii coming out first as a smaller release, and then being folded into a full Ad-Mech Codex/Army?

I am legitimately considering giving up my forever "wait for SoB releases" buying moratorium and thinking I might build Ad-Mech, but i'd like some Skitarii versus an armies worth.

 Ignatius wrote:
Wow clearly this release was not for me. The walker is probably one of the worst models I've seen them make in quite some time and can't figure out why everyone likes it so much.

Which walker?

Where is this 'full AdMech codex' rumor coming from? Everything I've seen indicates that this Skitarii mini-dex is basically it, being released basically as a supplement to some stuff that FW is working on.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:So I haven't kept up... is Skitarii coming out first as a smaller release, and then being folded into a full Ad-Mech Codex/Army?

I am legitimately considering giving up my forever "wait for SoB releases" buying moratorium and thinking I might build Ad-Mech, but i'd like some Skitarii versus an armies worth.

Skitarii/AdMech is basically the same as Militarum Temptestus/Astra Militarum from last year. Scions got their own codex, but shortly after they were Elites in the IG/AM codex. It's an option if you want to take a specific detachment of the specialist forces.

Skitarii seems to be a small codex just for outrider/specialist forces of the AdMech, with the AdMech codex being more full and having more models.

chaos0xomega wrote:Where is this 'full AdMech codex' rumor coming from? Everything I've seen indicates that this Skitarii mini-dex is basically it, being released basically as a supplement to some stuff that FW is working on.

It's been on the rumor docket for some time.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Where is this 'full AdMech codex' rumor coming from? Everything I've seen indicates that this Skitarii mini-dex is basically it, being released basically as a supplement to some stuff that FW is working on.

Lords of War Gaming wrote: They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus.

That is from Lords of War Gaming Facebook page, posted a couple weeks ago.

Mymearan wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Wow clearly this release was not for me. The walker is probably one of the worst models I've seen them make in quite some time and can't figure out why everyone likes it so much.

It's a retro design, everyone who loves 60s-70s sci-fi and early GW stuff would love it.

THIS!!!

I started playing 40k in 1988 and was drawn in by the art work.

When 2nd ed came out it was the pinnacle of the hobby for me.

The new Ad Mech stuff harks back to the days where I first got into the hobby and appreciated the art and lore of the Grim Dark Future.

It's not going to be for everyone, but for most of us veterans, it's a more than welcome addition.

I'm liking the style of these, especially for a GW general masses release.

For me the looks of the models so far fits a certain idea that the deeper I would go into the workings of the Mechanicum the more bizarre the appearances of them would be.

I would imagine they regard the Skitarii as just something you pump-out and throw into battle and these models fit that look for me. The FW stuff definitely have that "OK, now we bring out the the big guns" look that also feels right at home for them.

I'm so far liking these subfactions that GW is releasing and look forward to seeing what else they do.

Not to jinx it but it is really cool that the company we always bitch about pissing all over veteran fans is releasing these nostalgic kits.

Mymearan wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Wow clearly this release was not for me. The walker is probably one of the worst models I've seen them make in quite some time and can't figure out why everyone likes it so much.

It's a retro design, everyone who loves 60s-70s sci-fi and early GW stuff would love it.

It's not the design of thing I just CANNOT get past the positioning of the bondage victim. That little bit ruins the entire model for me. I also can't figure out why this thing is AV 11.

Its strange to see people comparing skitari with marines because of the litterture.
You cant even compare space marines with space marines in litterature!

Also, I would love to see that weird bondage servitor on the dragoon actually driving the whole thing with bicycle pedals. The conversion should be quite simple

I will say that the aesthetics combined with seemingly balanced and "reasonably viable" looking rules has inspired a weird feeling in me... I actually WANT to build/buy these and not over-think hyper competitive meta stuff. It just seems like it would be fun, and a cool army to put on the table, whereas far too many of my buying decisions in recent years have been of the "What is super competitive" variety.

The Dragoons, for example, look like the absurd sci-fi I love, and weirdly... I don't care if they are necessarily the "best".

Likewise, I am bored of allying Sisters into everything just for Melta Doms, and Haywire Rangers seem like they could fill almost the same roll, but also have "fun" and interesting other units to bring along.

My only hiccup right now will be price. I would LOVE to see these Walkers sell for $50 for two models. $50 per would just be incredibly cost prohibitive right now.

 Ignatius wrote:

Mymearan wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Wow clearly this release was not for me. The walker is probably one of the worst models I've seen them make in quite some time and can't figure out why everyone likes it so much.

It's a retro design, everyone who loves 60s-70s sci-fi and early GW stuff would love it.

It's not the design of thing I just CANNOT get past the positioning of the bondage victim. That little bit ruins the entire model for me. I also can't figure out why this thing is AV 11.

Im surprised its even 11 when everything is basically exposed

 Desubot wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

Mymearan wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Wow clearly this release was not for me. The walker is probably one of the worst models I've seen them make in quite some time and can't figure out why everyone likes it so much.

It's a retro design, everyone who loves 60s-70s sci-fi and early GW stuff would love it.

It's not the design of thing I just CANNOT get past the positioning of the bondage victim. That little bit ruins the entire model for me. I also can't figure out why this thing is AV 11.

Im surprised its even 11 when everything is basically exposed

admech vehicles all have force fields.

 winterman wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Where is this 'full AdMech codex' rumor coming from? Everything I've seen indicates that this Skitarii mini-dex is basically it, being released basically as a supplement to some stuff that FW is working on.

Lords of War Gaming wrote: They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus.

That is from Lords of War Gaming Facebook page, posted a couple weeks ago.

ah, I take my rumors from a higher power (or something)

 Desubot wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

Mymearan wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Wow clearly this release was not for me. The walker is probably one of the worst models I've seen them make in quite some time and can't figure out why everyone likes it so much.

It's a retro design, everyone who loves 60s-70s sci-fi and early GW stuff would love it.

It's not the design of thing I just CANNOT get past the positioning of the bondage victim. That little bit ruins the entire model for me. I also can't figure out why this thing is AV 11.

Im surprised its even 11 when everything is basically exposed

Exactly what I mean. The pilot and whatever the hell the bottom guy is are completely exposed to incoming fire from every direction. Sentinels are basically the same frame but with a more protected cockpit and are AV 10. Land Speeders have angled armor plates and their pilots are wearing power armor but are AV 10. Come to think of it pretty much everything in the game is protected on some level better than this thing but somehow it's AV 11. Unless I'm missing something here I'm a little confused.

Mymearan wrote:

admech vehicles all have force fields.

Then why no invul

I think i would prefer AV10 with a 5+ invul save or just av11 and getting Wave snaked.

Edit: Its probably Av11 because the internals of basically everything is not really known. something something Gothic admec machinery thing that in reality is MUCH tougher than it looks or some sillyness like that.