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The Skitari box has HQ squad bits.


That plus TechPriest for HQ one would assume.

Just like they have not-IG orders it seems like they will have a not-IG platoon set up.

 notprop wrote:
The Skitari box has HQ squad bits.


That plus TechPriest for HQ one would assume.

Just like they have not-IG orders it seems like they will have a not-IG platoon set up.

Well, if (!) they truly do a Cult Mechanicus book as well as a Skitarii book, I would assume that everything with "priest" in the name would be in the former, not the latter. I could see a "non-Priest", Tau Fireblade-style veteran battlefield leader, but rumours currently seem to go against that idea.

 notprop wrote:
The Skitari box has HQ squad bits.

It does?

 notprop wrote:
The Skitari box has HQ squad bits.

your source for this? I find it a little odd that according to you they're releasing a box with the parts to make 3 units, but only providing the rules for 2 of the 3 in this weeks WD

Hang on a minute, there's been rumours for a while that the Magos is being released in a Clam Pack.

Have we had a rumour leak stating otherwise?

Snaps of the models look good enough. Though, I'm surprised there isn't more collaboration between GW's design team and the Forgeworld crew. The logical approach imo would have been to re-release a lot of the existing FW ad mech kits, perhaps with a few modifications.

Wonderwolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
So it occured to me, Doctrina Imperatives is thus far on every model we've seen. and assuming the rumors for the dunecrawler are accurate will be on it as well, there has been a lot of speculation on this skill that has mostly centered around it being eaither a orders system ala IG or a synapse system. both these sound IMHO a little off for a varity of reasons. but what if it instead was a chapter tactics type rule to reflect differnt forge worlds skitarii being differnt?

Doubt it. Whatever it is, in absence of psykers, it'll probably something they can use to sell you one of those little card-packs along with Skitarii-specific tactical objectives, which they do these days.

So probably some 6-ish "orders" you play by laying down a card would be my guess.

That reminds me of those second ed cards Virus / Rad grenades please.

 thegreatchimp wrote:
I'm surprised there isn't more collaboration between GW's design team and the Forgeworld crew. The logical approach imo would have been to re-release a lot of the existing FW ad mech kits, perhaps with a few modifications.

Forge World have said that their 30k Mechanicum and the 40k Adeptus Mechanicus are separate organisations (but with overlap) and we won't be seeing 40k rules for 30k Mechanicum :-(

beast_gts wrote:

 thegreatchimp wrote:
I'm surprised there isn't more collaboration between GW's design team and the Forgeworld crew. The logical approach imo would have been to re-release a lot of the existing FW ad mech kits, perhaps with a few modifications.

Forge World have said that their 30k Mechanicum and the 40k Adeptus Mechanicus are separate organisations (but with overlap) and we won't be seeing 40k rules for 30k Mechanicum :-(

now that GW's produced a 40k codex for the mechanium I garentee you FW'll turn around and put out some 40k rules for some, (SOME) of the 30k mechanium units

 notprop wrote:
The Skitari box has HQ squad bits.

Wait what??

migooo wrote:

 notprop wrote:
The Skitari box has HQ squad bits.

Wait what??

It doesn't, we'd have seen pics/rules. Maybe they meant like sergeant bits or something.

 ImAGeek wrote:

migooo wrote:

 notprop wrote:
The Skitari box has HQ squad bits.

Wait what??

It doesn't, we'd have seen pics/rules. Maybe they meant like sergeant bits or something.

I'm not even sure the AM / Skitari have a IG like command structure there more likely to have a guy with 4 bodyguards ( servitors or others ) as depicted in the HH artbook texts about Mars. That would be my idea anyway. Hey maybe alternate build for those spider guys?

BrianDavion wrote:
now that GW's produced a 40k codex for the mechanium I garentee you FW'll turn around and put out some 40k rules for some, (SOME) of the 30k mechanium units

I really do hope so, but which ones? Rumour is Myrmidons will be 40k HQs, and they've said the Legio Cybernetica and it's robots no longer exists. The Krios would be nice.

Apologies, I misinterpreted something on one of the photos.

I would be a bloody good idea though.

beast_gts wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
now that GW's produced a 40k codex for the mechanium I garentee you FW'll turn around and put out some 40k rules for some, (SOME) of the 30k mechanium units

I really do hope so, but which ones? Rumour is Myrmidons will be 40k HQs, and they've said the Legio Cybernetica and it's robots no longer exists. The Krios would be nice.

Who can say but it's a safe bet. FW's shown a strong proficancy at taking under developed GW Ideas (at least re the IoM) and fleshing them out. Imperial Knights being an excellent example

The only HQ-y stuff I've seen in the pics is just the squad leaders.

Well i'm currently awaiting a certain retailers 25% off pre-order to grab 4 boxes of infantry and I might get a single strider just because I think they look cool.

beast_gts wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
now that GW's produced a 40k codex for the mechanium I garentee you FW'll turn around and put out some 40k rules for some, (SOME) of the 30k mechanium units

I really do hope so, but which ones? Rumour is Myrmidons will be 40k HQs, and they've said the Legio Cybernetica and it's robots no longer exists. The Krios would be nice.

Can anyone point me to where this is actually stated by anyone from FW or in one of their books? Because I can't recall seeing such a statement, and the only fluff I know of regarding the fate of the Legio after the Heresy is this:

Following the defeat of the Heresy and the banishment of the Traitor Legions, the dishonored Legio cohorts also fled into the Eye of Terror, where they remain to this day. Since the defeat of Horus, the Legio Cybernetica has pledged itself anew to the Imperium. Its members now take binding oaths of loyalty more terrible than any Marine Chapter oaths.

...which is pretty much incompatible with the idea they no longer exist.

Another post about prices and also next week's White Dwarf teaser from memoireMX on Warseer:

Vanguards/Rangers 10 units 31€
Dragoon 38€
Release 4th april

Bought the WD a Minute ago

Btw next week will be weapons of skitarii and "what is waiting in the dunes"? Maybe more units

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7411145&viewfull=1#post7411145


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Also 1 model per Dragoon box confirmed by the same poster. Then Archibald_TK added some info bits from the same issue of White Dwarf

As usual I have no idea if it was talked about before, but in the WD they talk a little of the other Mechanicum factions that sometime fight alongside the Skiitari, they cite by name the Titan Legions, the Decurio Ordinatus and the robots of the Legio Cybernetica.

So yes, the robots are still a thing 10 000 years later.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Can anyone point me to where this is actually stated by anyone from FW or in one of their books?

I'll have a dig and see if I can find where I got it from. The 1st page has a QA with Alan Bligh, Mark Bedford, Edgar Skomorowski, Tony Cottrell where it's mentioned.


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(As posted above the WarSeer rumour still mentions Legio Cybernetica so I could be wrong )

The upcoming White Dwarf is saying otherwise it seems (see my quote of Archibald's post above)

Edit: Yes

The Legio Cybernetica of the 41st millenium may not be the same as what we saw with The Great Crusade/Horus Heresy.

I'd honestly find it weird if they didn't release rules to use the 30k bots in 40k. Those are some nice, expensive models which are currently only usable in a system that only vets with a lot of disposable income play. And yes, I know you technically can use them in 40k, but they're badly balanced and are generally designed and pointed to mesh in with 30k.

Wonderwolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
So it occured to me, Doctrina Imperatives is thus far on every model we've seen. and assuming the rumors for the dunecrawler are accurate will be on it as well, there has been a lot of speculation on this skill that has mostly centered around it being eaither a orders system ala IG or a synapse system. both these sound IMHO a little off for a varity of reasons. but what if it instead was a chapter tactics type rule to reflect differnt forge worlds skitarii being differnt?

Doubt it. Whatever it is, in absence of psykers, it'll probably something they can use to sell you one of those little card-packs along with Skitarii-specific tactical objectives, which they do these days.

So probably some 6-ish "orders" you play by laying down a card would be my guess.

Doubt it's Orders honestly.

Also the card packs tend to also have Objective Cards for Maelstrom games these days.


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Puscifer wrote:
Hang on a minute, there's been rumours for a while that the Magos is being released in a Clam Pack.

Have we had a rumour leak stating otherwise?

I don't remember solid rumors of that, just speculation.

nudibranch wrote:
I'd honestly find it weird if they didn't release rules to use the 30k bots in 40k. Those are some nice, expensive models which are currently only usable in a system that only vets with a lot of disposable income play. And yes, I know you technically can use them in 40k, but they're badly balanced and are generally designed and pointed to mesh in with 30k.

Forge World might release rules for them.

The likelihood of GW themselves releasing rules for them, unless there is a drastic shift as to how Forge World items are released(i.e. if this whole "GW selling Forge World items!" rumor comes to pass), might as well be the same chances as Horus becoming the Emperor.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
So it occured to me, Doctrina Imperatives is thus far on every model we've seen. and assuming the rumors for the dunecrawler are accurate will be on it as well, there has been a lot of speculation on this skill that has mostly centered around it being eaither a orders system ala IG or a synapse system. both these sound IMHO a little off for a varity of reasons. but what if it instead was a chapter tactics type rule to reflect differnt forge worlds skitarii being differnt?

Doubt it. Whatever it is, in absence of psykers, it'll probably something they can use to sell you one of those little card-packs along with Skitarii-specific tactical objectives, which they do these days.

So probably some 6-ish "orders" you play by laying down a card would be my guess.

Doubt it's Orders honestly.

Also the card packs tend to also have Objective Cards for Maelstrom games these days.

I do agree that there will need to be something to fill in the datacard set. Im just not sure ti will be these doctrines.The rule for the Data Tether states that models are affected by it. In context it definitely has the connotation of something you dont want to happen, which is why raising your leadership is important to help you pass the test to avoid it. I dont see how they will fit that to a card format unless they are more like tokens meant to mark the affected units.

In terms of the fluff, I think that they are core directives built into the base programming of everyone linked through the network. The purpose of admech is and always has been the never ending search for technical knowledge and technology. Everything else they do is in service to that goal whether its sucking up to people by giving them tech or launching a battlegroup, its all to find tech and STCs. So it would make sense for this imperative doctrine of seeking out and finding new tech to sometimes conflict with something like a mission or just general fighting with other people. Something along the lines of "I know those orks are barreling down on us but I just found a TI-83 graphing calculator under this pile of rubble and we must get it back to the Magos ASAP!" I could see it being that kind of thing, like their desire for tech getting in the way of there ability to fight or strategize efficiently.

 Dramagod2 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
So it occured to me, Doctrina Imperatives is thus far on every model we've seen. and assuming the rumors for the dunecrawler are accurate will be on it as well, there has been a lot of speculation on this skill that has mostly centered around it being eaither a orders system ala IG or a synapse system. both these sound IMHO a little off for a varity of reasons. but what if it instead was a chapter tactics type rule to reflect differnt forge worlds skitarii being differnt?

Doubt it. Whatever it is, in absence of psykers, it'll probably something they can use to sell you one of those little card-packs along with Skitarii-specific tactical objectives, which they do these days.

So probably some 6-ish "orders" you play by laying down a card would be my guess.

Doubt it's Orders honestly.

Also the card packs tend to also have Objective Cards for Maelstrom games these days.

I do agree that there will need to be something to fill in the datacard set. Im just not sure ti will be these doctrines.The rule for the Data Tether states that models are affected by it. In context it definitely has the connotation of something you dont want to happen, which is why raising your leadership is important to help you pass the test to avoid it. I dont see how they will fit that to a card format unless they are more like tokens meant to mark the affected units.

In terms of the fluff, I think that they are core directives built into the base programming of everyone linked through the network. The purpose of admech is and always has been the never ending search for technical knowledge and technology. Everything else they do is in service to that goal whether its sucking up to people by giving them tech or launching a battlegroup, its all to find tech and STCs. So it would make sense for this imperative doctrine of seeking out and finding new tech to sometimes conflict with something like a mission or just general fighting with other people. Something along the lines of "I know those orks are barreling down on us but I just found a TI-83 graphing calculator under this pile of rubble and we must get it back to the Magos ASAP!" I could see it being that kind of thing, like their desire for tech getting in the way of there ability to fight or strategize efficiently.

Either that, or it could perhaps be a variation on the random objectives deck concept, except with penalties for failure rather than rewards for success, ie Borg-esque "Valuable Archeotech detected, disregard current objectives. Intercept [random enemy HQ] and acquire immediately.", and if you don't manage it or refuse to obey it, the unit takes an ingame penalty for X turns/until the end, or you lose VPs or somesuch.

It occurred to me that the plastic Magos was with the Skirarii rumours so I think it has the same chance as these did . I.e. cautiously optimistic but wouldn't hold my breath.

This is the first week and if there wasn't at least 2 more boxes I could have seen them stretch the releases like they did with Harlies. Charecters do seem to occupy later weeks though. ( save for the Nurgle clampack guy )

But This is pure speculation and we have the book for one week also so I could be wrong.

 Kanluwen wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
I'd honestly find it weird if they didn't release rules to use the 30k bots in 40k. Those are some nice, expensive models which are currently only usable in a system that only vets with a lot of disposable income play. And yes, I know you technically can use them in 40k, but they're badly balanced and are generally designed and pointed to mesh in with 30k.

Forge World might release rules for them.

The likelihood of GW themselves releasing rules for them, unless there is a drastic shift as to how Forge World items are released(i.e. if this whole "GW selling Forge World items!" rumor comes to pass), might as well be the same chances as Horus becoming the Emperor.

If we get robots for 40k from GW I think it'll either be something completely new or the original Rogue Trader ones. I know the Forge World ones are updates of those (the Castellax is an updated Castellan, for example) but as the 40k Mechanicum have lost knowledge they might revert back to older types.

I honestly doubt we will get 40k robots considering they were frowned upon during the Great Crusade because of some past war with sentient machines or something.

That's why the Kaban machine was heretical because it could think.