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Hm, I thought there would be a CSM and Dark Angels codex before SM.

If it's Tau and Eldar then it's definitely a rebalance thing. Both of those codexes are build heavily for 6th edition. If they do Daemons too and fix a few things then we're set for 7th on a codex level.

That said I wants my Admech!!!

 Hulksmash wrote:
If it's Tau and Eldar then it's definitely a rebalance thing. Both of those codexes are build heavily for 6th edition. If they do Daemons too and fix a few things then we're set for 7th on a codex level.

That said I wants my Admech!!!

Even though this really isn't the topic for it, since when have GW said it was their mission to rebalance anything?

Yeah they might, by coincidence, nerf what they need to nerf and buff what they need to buff, but as ever, it will be to sell more models. Expect the new jetbikes to be bonkers good.

The other thing that the Space Marine, Tau, and Eldar Codices have in common is formations, or a lack thereof. Yeah there are dataslates running around, but with the Necron, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, and now even Khorne Daemonkin all having wild, complex formations that give them wild, awesome rules, expect this to be the major difference in the new Codices. This would be GW's big chance to give each chapter in Space Marines their own formations, on top of their own chapter tactics, but we'll see what happens.

I can hear the cries of the Chaos fans already... How can I hear them? I'm one of them...

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I've been wanting to do a Mechanicus army for so long this may just be what finally gets me started! And honestly no the Imperium doesn't need another faction but if it had to get one the Mechanicum is arguably the best it could get!

another faction they should have made dual, to represent the Dark Mechanicum as well as the AD

i would love a mechanicus army, the possibilities for new models, stories and fluff would be infinite. i think that if they do make an army for it they should make a rule about techmarines and tech priests that says they would allowed to fight with them. i think it would be awesome, they could make a mechanicum version of custodes or marines, they could even have a version of imperial guard.

Requizen wrote:
Hm, I thought there would be a CSM and Dark Angels codex before SM.

one would have hoped

After reading the WD, I'm definitively buying a squad or two of troops, and get the codex.

The weapons are INSANE and they're relentless..

Well, after hearing the actual fluff pertaining to the perpetual motion walkers, I renege any comments I made about that piece. It seems like they are showing AM basically like they always have been, somewhat grasping the technology they have without understanding its true workings, and not simply going the Fallout tribals-worshipping-technology route. I do still think the eyelid details are goofy and nonsensical, but the other bit is fine.

Overall, I am very impressed with the Skitarii models. They seem well detailed without being over-caked in repetitive detail, and their price point at $4/model is what I consider to be reasonable...certainly much better than what we've seen with IG scions and DE wracks!

I'll be picking up a kit of these guys, if only to figure out a way to integrate them into Gorkamorka or Necromunda.

 Accolade wrote:
Well, after hearing the actual fluff pertaining to the perpetual motion walkers, I renege any comments I made about that piece. It seems like they are showing AM basically like they always have been, somewhat grasping the technology they have without understanding its true workings, and not simply going the Fallout tribals-worshipping-technology route. I do still think the eyelid details are goofy and nonsensical, but the other bit is fine.

Overall, I am very impressed with the Skitarii models. They seem well detailed without being over-caked in repetitive detail, and their price point at $4/model is what I consider to be reasonable...certainly much better than what we've seen with IG scions and DE wracks!

I'll be picking up a kit of these guys, if only to figure out a way to integrate them into Gorkamorka or Necromunda.

Gorka Morka ones would be hilarious.

Imagine some of the ramming contraptions the Adeptus would have in their arsenal!

Wait a minute. If those walkers run off of near-perpetual motion, why do they have those massive twin diesel exhaust pipes?

Also still waiting on an excuse for the T-Rex arms.

Those are coal rollers.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Wait a minute. If those walkers run off of near-perpetual motion, why do they have those massive twin diesel exhaust pipes?

Also still waiting on an excuse for the T-Rex arms.

That's where the exhaust fumes of the engine that was used to start it came out?

Or it still needs fuel periodically adjust the machine back up to full power since it's still slowly losing momentum (being near perpetual motion), hence the exhaust.

Or maybe it releases a pleasant scent of lilacs from those?

nudibranch wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Kinda like the new models. So, I don't wanna dig through 67 pages for the answer Are they getting a codex and stuff, or were they part of some other book or is it a WD army list? Where do ya get the rules for em?

Apparently, two codices. The first one is called Codex: Skitarii and will feature the upcoming models, possibly more. It will then be followed by a larger, more complete Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus.

Isn't GW doing that thing where models have their rules actually included in the box with them?


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they're for creating a confusing smoke cloud to both hide you from your enemies and signal your allies where you are.

The tiny arms are to help the rider get up- they have just enough 'machine spirit' to offer a gentlemanly hand as the rider mounts.

Looks good

You know something. For all the claims that they may not know how to build something and want to preserve the technology, the AdMech sure are good at stamping their logo on to things. Not just paint, but serious engravings and hood ornaments.

you have a point, surely it is not hard to come up some original ideas even if it where just a simple adaptation to something. it must be a bit hard never inventing something but always putting a massive skull and cog logo in or on something which by the look of it would screw up the internal workings a bit

Anvildude wrote:

Isn't GW doing that thing where models have their rules actually included in the box with them?

All you get is the statline. Which, I suppose is better than nothing... but only barely. OTOH, you can get almost all the rules in the white dwarf, and probably figure out the other stuff by borrowing from friends and such


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 Accolade wrote:
I do still think the eyelid details are goofy and nonsensical, but the other bit is fine.

I'm amazed at how many people pick up on this bit of fluff I don't really get why, though. I mean, blinking is detrimental to keeping your eyes on the prize, right? And since hacking off legs and such is their thing, why not improve/replace an eye?

Besides, there isn't even a model with an eye showing (that we know of yet)

 Exergy wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I've been wanting to do a Mechanicus army for so long this may just be what finally gets me started! And honestly no the Imperium doesn't need another faction but if it had to get one the Mechanicum is arguably the best it could get!

another faction they should have made dual, to represent the Dark Mechanicum as well as the AD

I disagree. of all the IoM factions that would translates the least well to Chaos, the Mechanium is it. the dark mechnium and the admech have gone in VERY VERY differnt directions since the Heresy. the Traitor Marines are rather more similer, using, mostly the same equipment and the like. the dark mech however has taken to really experimenting with deamon engines and the like. it's worth noting that in the 6th edition 'dex, all the new units given to CSMs, all the new toys to make them more distinct have been deamon engines, most no doubt gifted from the dark mech

BrianDavion wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I've been wanting to do a Mechanicus army for so long this may just be what finally gets me started! And honestly no the Imperium doesn't need another faction but if it had to get one the Mechanicum is arguably the best it could get!

another faction they should have made dual, to represent the Dark Mechanicum as well as the AD

I disagree. of all the IoM factions that would translates the least well to Chaos, the Mechanium is it. the dark mechnium and the admech have gone in VERY VERY differnt directions since the Heresy. the Traitor Marines are rather more similer, using, mostly the same equipment and the like. the dark mech however has taken to really experimenting with deamon engines and the like. it's worth noting that in the 6th edition 'dex, all the new units given to CSMs, all the new toys to make them more distinct have been deamon engines, most no doubt gifted from the dark mech

I'm not sure I agree here with everything while the Dark Mech are different, As explained within the WD (and Inquisitor) the AM are quite polarized internally. Im not sure how many Forge Worlds there are but I possibly that some are on their way to falling to the DM and use fairly close to their regular none heretical brothers and sisters Equipment why create 2 options when a different paint job will be adequate?

While the DM Faction would probably be harder too justify and I don't really see DM using stuff like the Dragoons and Balistari, due to the complexity of the machines and why have this when we can just have a daemon make it go? reason.

AM tech heresy is fairly different to Chaos. and this I could see via a Supplement or something. AM heretics yes but DM Not really.

Not because they are too dissimilar but because really if they made the ability for AM being BB with both Imperial and Chaos ( representing DM and AM ) you could just have your own Dark Mechanicus army now..

Oh i think i did end up agreeing.

migooo wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I've been wanting to do a Mechanicus army for so long this may just be what finally gets me started! And honestly no the Imperium doesn't need another faction but if it had to get one the Mechanicum is arguably the best it could get!

another faction they should have made dual, to represent the Dark Mechanicum as well as the AD

I disagree. of all the IoM factions that would translates the least well to Chaos, the Mechanium is it. the dark mechnium and the admech have gone in VERY VERY differnt directions since the Heresy. the Traitor Marines are rather more similer, using, mostly the same equipment and the like. the dark mech however has taken to really experimenting with deamon engines and the like. it's worth noting that in the 6th edition 'dex, all the new units given to CSMs, all the new toys to make them more distinct have been deamon engines, most no doubt gifted from the dark mech

I'm not sure I agree here with everything while the Dark Mech are different, As explained within the WD (and Inquisitor) the AM are quite polarized internally. Im not sure how many Forge Worlds there are but I possibly that some are on their way to falling to the DM and use fairly close to their regular none heretical brothers and sisters Equipment why create 2 options when a different paint job will be adequate?

While the DM Faction would probably be harder too justify and I don't really see DM using stuff like the Dragoons and Balistari, due to the complexity of the machines and why have this when we can just have a daemon make it go? reason.

AM tech heresy is fairly different to Chaos. and this I could see via a Supplement or something. AM heretics yes but DM Not really.

Not because they are too dissimilar but because really if they made the ability for AM being BB with both Imperial and Chaos ( representing DM and AM ) you could just have your own Dark Mechanicus army now..

Oh i think i did end up agreeing.

yup, as I said the dark mechanius has a very differnt approuch to technology then the admech. the divisions between the admech meanwhile aren't along the lines of "so when's it ok to stuff a deamon in this sucker?" and more along the lines of if the emperor is indeed the machine god made flesh, or simply a mortal prophet of a distinctly differnt god. more similer to the debate on the divinity of Christ during the early days of christinaity

Does the white dwarf tell us what the doctrine is? Normally we have all the rules to be able to play them when it comes out.

 Leth wrote:
Does the white dwarf tell us what the doctrine is? Normally we have all the rules to be able to play them when it comes out.

Nope. Don't have an HQ choice to play them outside of unbound either

So, a few details I noticed from the White Dwarf.

The Ironstrider Ballistarius and Sydonian Dragoon are each crewed by different members of the two units we had showcased(Vanguard and Rangers).
The gunner on the Ballistarius is a Ranger while the Dragoon has a Vanguard. The product description states that there are four heads for each variant in the box.
It's also noted that the legs can be mounted on either side of the hull "to achieve different poses".

On p. 16 it mentions that a Skitarii who gets augmented many times throughout their life invariably become Skitarii Alphas or even an Alpha Primus, leading whole maniples of Skitarii to war.

So we might be getting an HQ choice in the form of an Alpha Primus but we porbably won't.

Kanluwen wrote:

On p. 16 it mentions that a Skitarii who gets augmented many times throughout their life invariably become Skitarii Alphas or even an Alpha Primus, leading whole maniples of Skitarii to war.

So we might be getting an HQ choice in the form of an Alpha Primus but we porbably won't.

I imagine this is simply flavour text for a suggestion to nominate 1 Alpha as a Warlord, possibly with an expanded/optional Warlord Trait chart like the Harlies had (with SS/DJs only rolling a D3, while a Troupe Master Warlord can get any of the 6 options).

I'd like to be proven wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is simply there to endorse non-HQ Warlord choices.

jSewell wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Does the white dwarf tell us what the doctrine is? Normally we have all the rules to be able to play them when it comes out.

Nope. Don't have an HQ choice to play them outside of unbound either

We might get an Alpha Primus you don't know. I'm hoping for one

People are over-thinking the 'near-perpetual motion' thing - it could just mean their engineers are having problems understanding the gearbox design (damaged STCs and all that) and can't make the neutral gear work

Model-wise, I love these, but price-wise (NZD$78 for a infantry box, NZD$98 for a walker) they're stupidly expensive. Without even a usable codex yet, only a rich masochist will buy them.

Honestly the infantry are comparatively a bargain. Compare them to the scions. £23.50 for 10 troops with 3 sprues vs. £21 for 5 troops with 2 sprues. Also I ordered mine from Wayland, so there's also discounts.

I'm really disappointed in the mono-pose legs, especially for the price.

Also the perpetual motion thing is utterly stupid.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Those are coal rollers.

Wow. I was not even aware that that existed, much less what it meant. Lost a little faith in humanity today...

Wait, what models don't have monopose legs? I know Khorne berserkers and scions have one leg that's separate, but I'm pretty sure that's for casting reasons...