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It looks like the codex is just completely wackadoodles in terms of the price band.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It looks like the codex is just completely wackadoodles in terms of the price band.

Or GW have finally twigged that a codex for 7 units shouldn't cost as much as one for a whole army... Which is better late than never!

Must be pretty chilly in hell these days, and watch out for those low-flying pigs!

 Redemption wrote:
Picture of the Onager Dunecrawler:

So no transport....

Got the confirmation from 40kings.de. The Codex says the Doctrine effect is army-wide, each doctrine can be used once per game. All units with the Doctrina Imperatives SR are affected.

No transport in this book

Army wide?

 Exergy wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Picture of the Onager Dunecrawler:

So no transport....

If there is a transport it'd be a different entry (as originally rumored).


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Warhams-77 wrote:
Got the confirmation from 40kings.de. The Codex says the Doctrine effect is army-wide, each doctrine can be used once per game. All units with the Doctrina Imperatives SR are affected.

No transport in this book

Good to know. Hope we see the full Ad Mech army at the end of the month.

Army wide Scout means that a transport is kind of unnecessary IMO.

So considering there won't be transports, what would be your optimal minimum 5-man squad for the two mandatory troop choices ?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Army wide Scout means that a transport is kind of unnecessary IMO.

they dont have army wide scout though, do they?

 Exergy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Army wide Scout means that a transport is kind of unnecessary IMO.

they dont have army wide scout though, do they?

Yep http://www.40kings.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Force-Org-Ad-Mech-e1427988659515.jpg

Transports have 2 functions, getting your people there is only one of them. Protecting them is the other function. I would rather a 35 point rhino or 65 point chimera blow up on Turn 1 than take a ton of casualties on the actual squad.

I think rent-a-drop-pods and rent-a-rhinos from Blood Angels will be common. Can't get Chimeras as they aren't FA yet, but you can use Valkyries, I know I plan to.

These are some quite usefull rules If someone missed it, I collected and translated all the Codex book info posted by 40kings.de here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2730/629061.page#7720260

 Paradigm wrote:

 GorFrag wrote:
Can;t simply ally with no HQ.

You can ally, you just can't use an Allied Detachment. Which is my whole point; to add Skitarii allies to my army, I need as little as 2 5-man infantry units and whatever else I want to add. To add Harlies in a similar way, I need 3 infantry units, jetbikes or skimmers and characters, about 400 points worth of stuff (not even getting into actual monetary cost) just to unlock anything else, or I have to use similarly restrictive formations.

Thank you, finally, someone else who had a problem with this when the Harlequin stuff dropped. I was raising heck in that thread about how the detachment, and every formation, seemed calculated to force you to buy more models than you might otherwise want, and field them with less flexibility, when compared with a normal CAD or Allied detachment. The universal responses of "oh but at least there are 7 different formations, you can just pick one of those", and "yeah the minimum force you can field is one Troupe and one of every overpriced character, but I bet everyone already has those, or would be buying them anyway!" were sickening.

Credit where credit is due for not pulling the same dirty trick with this release.

 RedFox wrote:
So considering there won't be transports, what would be your optimal minimum 5-man squad for the two mandatory troop choices ?

If you just want to unlock Elite/FA/HS slots, I'd say either backfield sitters with a pair of the Armourbane Snipers, or suicide Scout troops with Plasma Culviers.

So excited. Now the last piece for me. How much are the Dunestalkers going to cost...

I'd love to see the bottom half of the Dunestalker page first, with the rules and upgrades.

 BrookM wrote:
I'd love to see the bottom half of the Dunestalker page first, with the rules and upgrades.

6 plasmaguns base, supposedly adding the AA array is half that again.

I said rules and upgrades, not the base point cost.

 Redemption wrote:
Picture of the Onager Dunecrawler:

Does anyone else think that body shouldn't go on those legs? It looks way too big and bulky.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

It looks way too big and bulky.

Yes, it looks very Ad Mech.

 Paradigm wrote:

 RedFox wrote:
So considering there won't be transports, what would be your optimal minimum 5-man squad for the two mandatory troop choices ?

If you just want to unlock Elite/FA/HS slots, I'd say either backfield sitters with a pair of the Armourbane Snipers, or suicide Scout troops with Plasma Culviers.

yeah I was thinking of two rangers squads with two arquebus snipers each but then again, those arc rifles are very tempting....

Warhams-77 wrote:
Armoury:

Icarus Array (Dunecrawler only): Deadalus missile launcher: heavy 1, 7/2 48″ skyfire + gatling rocket launcher: heavy 5, 6/4 48″ skyfire, ignores cover + twin icarus autocannon: heavy 2, 7/4 48″ skyfire, interceptor, twin-linked.

Eradication Beamer (Dunecrawler only, standard weapon): 0″- 9″: 10/1, 9″ – 18″: 8/3 blast, 18″ – 36″: 6/5 large blast

Neutron Laser: 48″ 10/1 blast, concussive

There are some interesting wargear options, for example the Icarus Array (point costs: 9 melta bombs) can replace the standard Eradication Beamer or the Neutron Laser. The Walker now has shields (6++), which are cummulative, each Walker in the squadron in 4" adds +1 (max. 4++).

Very interesting options indeed! I'm actually pleasantly surprised. And the Array costs 45 points, the game works on points cost, it isn't the barter system, we don't trade wheat or bananas or melta bombs to buy an Icarus Array.

Don't know how big those bases are... you might be able to get away with proxying a Thanatar if you really want too?

Spider Tank
Spider Tank
Everybody loves a Spider Tank
Can it shoot a big huge gun
Yes it can it's a Tank

Spider Tank!

 Exergy wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I'd love to see the bottom half of the Dunestalker page first, with the rules and upgrades.

6 plasmaguns base, supposedly adding the AA array is half that again.

So 90 points.

Did I miss something? Did Dakka decide to switch over to the super super super super lame method of stating points costs?

 ultimentra wrote:
Don't know how big those bases are... you might be able to get away with proxying a Thanatar if you really want too?

Let it be known, I am a huge fan of your way of thinking!

Sooooo no transports?

Even with scout, how is this army supposed to get anywhere? Foot slogging troops and elites? This seems sadly to me an army that screams ally.

 Paradigm wrote:

 RedFox wrote:
So considering there won't be transports, what would be your optimal minimum 5-man squad for the two mandatory troop choices ?

If you just want to unlock Elite/FA/HS slots, I'd say either backfield sitters with a pair of the Armourbane Snipers, or suicide Scout troops with Plasma Culviers.

The Plasma is wayyyy too expensive on a suicide-squad though. Hell, i'd feel guilty about a suicide Haywire MSU, but at least they'd be more inclined to earn their points back before dying. :-p

migooo wrote:
Spider Tank
Spider Tank
Everybody loves a Spider Tank
Can it shoot a big huge gun
Yes it can it's a Tank

Spider Tank!

+1

Too bad I can't exalt it more than once.

And I love spider tanks. They're adorable!

RaptorHunter wrote:
Sooooo no transports?

Even with scout, how is this army supposed to get anywhere? Foot slogging troops and elites? This seems sadly to me an army that screams ally.

Im sorry did you miss the entire army having scout, a few units having infiltrate, and walkers/elites that get +3 EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY MOVE?