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Tau Pathfinders are one of the few box sets I can think of where every single weapon option is provided to meet the codex entry i.e. 3 ion rifles and 3 rail rifles. It's my favourite kit ever.

Super Newb wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Apologists and Strawmen abound!

My bed has no sides. It's a circle.

No one is going to be happy no matter how you do it.

Silly, lazy, absolutely irrelevant "point" that people seem to think they are making again and again. There is not only happy and unhappy. There is a range of levels of happiness and unhappiness. People would be happier if more specials were included. Obviously.

Overall it's an excellent kit at lower cost than GW has released for similar in a while. And it's for an army people have been clamoring for for at least 15 years.

Yes! Overall they did good. But they can still be criticized for what they DIDN'T do good here. This isn't rocket science.

What if I told you I'm happier with more heads? Why? Because I only plan on using one special weapon type in my armies anyway doing 5-man squads for pods so the odds of them putting in enough specials (4 per box) of my choice were non-existant. However heads will help me seperate out my smaller squads which I'm much in favor of while I find suitable weapons either through bits or 3rd parties. Don't act like you version is the only version and people are only more happy with what you want. It's inaccurate, silly, lazy, and absolutely irrelevant

Regarding what they did well and didn't do well you're now down to opinion which isn't rocket science. They did something YOU don't think is good. Not something that everyone doesn't think is good.

Like I said, breathe and don't take it as personally as you seem to.

Not to beat a dead horse but I just looked at high res pics of the skitarii sprue. I can say with 100% certainty that removing 3 of the heads provides ample room for one additional arc rifle as well as one additional plasma caliver. (There is some empty space on some of the sprues which helps with this).

Anywhoo, I'll think of proper weapons substitutes / conversions because I am not going to spend half the cost of the kit just to equip the squad properly lol.


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 Hulksmash wrote:
What if I told you I'm happier with more heads?

Less special weapons and more heads? I'd say it is extremely unlikely that your position is representative of the entire gaming population. Extremely extremely unlikely.

Regarding what they did well and didn't do well you're now down to opinion which isn't rocket science. They did something YOU don't think is good. Not something that everyone doesn't think is good.

See above.

Like I said, breathe and don't take it as personally as you seem to.

Useless, somewhat insulting comment you felt the need to make twice. You are implying I am ANGRY and/or overly EMOTIONAL. Like I need to CALM DOWN before I get a stroke or something! Or that GW did this to stick it to me PERSONALLY! Cute, but quite rude. Yeah yeah, you said it in a vaguer nicer way but that's still your point. I think we can do without such nonsense like that don't you think? Apology accepted in advance.

Super Newb wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse but I just looked at high res pics of the skitarii sprue. I can say with 100% certainty that removing 3 of the heads provides ample room for one additional arc rifle as well as one additional plasma caliver. (There is some empty space on some of the sprues which helps with this).

Actually it doesn't. Because each of those weapons also has a specific backpack and additional components.
Arc Rifle uses components 88 through 91 and the Plasma Caliver uses components 92 through 96.

Removing "three of the heads" might open up space for just the gun itself--if that.

Super Newb wrote:

 Leth wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Again, there are 26 freaking heads in the box. GW is just dumb. Or mean. It has to be one or the other. They prioritized heads over guns.

Forget buying FW guns as a stand in. I'll probably buy third party or make my own because I am not giving Gee Dubs any more money to fix their silliniess.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
the problem is they give a unit too many options,

if they can use 3 special weapons, and there are 3 types GW would have to put 9 in the box to satisfy everybody (instead of the current 3 and that's unlikely to happen),

Forget everyone. This isn't an all or nothing thing. Almost nothing is. If they had two of each weapon that would satisfy a hell of a lot more people. Having only (lol only) 20 heads would allow room for another arc rifle and plasma caliver. That's an easy thing they could have done well still letting Rangers and Vanguard have different heads.

Considering there are 2 builds from the kit, each using 10 of the heads there is only really 13 heads per 10 guys. Not that over the top in that case.

Uh... so, you agree they prioritized heads over guns?
You agree knocking the number of heads down to 20 would've allowed room for two more special weapons?

Or are you trying your darndest to absolve GW of their sins? Let me know now if you actually want to discuss this rationally or if you are playing the part of an apologist. If it's the latter no sense discussing this.




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 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
It's not like the heads are taking up the whole sprue. The Arquebus is probably longer than the extra 6 heads.

Who said they were taking up the whole sprue? You win the strawman award.

Are you really arguing that they should have made 2 different sets of sprues, one with the Vanguard and the other with the Rangers just to add in an extra gun or two?

To supernewb

Are you sure you can fit weapons instead of heads, you must have made the calculation for the molds and Thermodynamics and tooling as well. You seem so sure of it.

Such emotion...

 SirDonlad wrote:
I just want to point out something that passed me by; these skittarii ranger squads are cheap!
You get a box of TEN models costing £23 - this actually seems like a good deal, very close to £2 a model; i've paid that for anvil industries stuff and i'm really pleased with what i bought from them.

$3.90 for the less squiggle-inclined*

Beautiful models, and the Codex is reasonably priced, but the Sicaran, Ironstrider, and Onager pricing is borderline WTF.

Super Newb wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Apologists and Strawmen abound!

My bed has no sides. It's a circle.

It has an inside and an outside. Checkmate atheists.

Super Newb wrote:

Like I said, breathe and don't take it as personally as you seem to.

No less rude than you calling people apologists or strawmen when they present a different point of view.

Useless, somewhat insulting comment you felt the need to make twice. You are implying I am ANGRY and/or overly EMOTIONAL. Like I need to CALM DOWN before I get a stroke or something! Or that GW did this to stick it to me PERSONALLY! Cute, but quite rude. Yeah yeah, you said it in a vaguer nicer way but that's still your point. I think we can do without such nonsense like that don't you think? Apology accepted in advance.

No less rude than you calling people apologists or strawmen when they present a different point of view. Apologies are for when one might have done something wrong. I merely suggested you not take it so personally. Which, based on your method of reply, you did and do. You feel like I have slighted you or been rude feel free to hit the triangle and the mods can take it up with me

Basically you haven't considered any of the other items needed to create those additional weapons and yet you insist it's possible. It amazes what people will get upset about.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse but I just looked at high res pics of the skitarii sprue. I can say with 100% certainty that removing 3 of the heads provides ample room for one additional arc rifle as well as one additional plasma caliver. (There is some empty space on some of the sprues which helps with this).

Actually it doesn't. Because each of those weapons also has a specific backpack and additional components.
Arc Rifle uses components 88 through 91 and the Plasma Caliver uses components 92 through 96.

Removing "three of the heads" might open up space for just the gun itself--if that.

All the additional components besides the backpack, yes sir it does. But I am sure Gee dubs if they wanted to add more special weapons would've found the backpacks to be an insurmountable problem. Oh wait, no they wouldn't have. Lol.


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 pizzaguardian wrote:
To supernewb

Are you sure you can fit weapons instead of heads, you must have made the calculation for the molds and Thermodynamics and tooling as well. You seem so sure of it.

I see how much room the heads take. I see there are spots the heads can go on the sprue where there is room for them. Also I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I am an expert on Thermodynamics.

Such emotion...

Yes, throw in this nonsense because that helps. "You wrong because your opinion is strong! If you were a woman you'd be hysterical!"


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 Hulksmash wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

Like I said, breathe and don't take it as personally as you seem to.

Useless, somewhat insulting comment you felt the need to make twice. You are implying I am ANGRY and/or overly EMOTIONAL. Like I need to CALM DOWN before I get a stroke or something! Or that GW did this to stick it to me PERSONALLY! Cute, but quite rude. Yeah yeah, you said it in a vaguer nicer way but that's still your point. I think we can do without such nonsense like that don't you think? Apology accepted in advance.

No less rude than

SO YOU ADMIT YOU WERE BEING RUDE. THANK YOU.

 Verviedi wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
I just want to point out something that passed me by; these skittarii ranger squads are cheap!
You get a box of TEN models costing £23 - this actually seems like a good deal, very close to £2 a model; i've paid that for anvil industries stuff and i'm really pleased with what i bought from them.

$3.90 for the less squiggle-inclined*

Beautiful models, and the Codex is reasonably priced, but the Sicaran, Ironstrider, and Onager pricing is borderline WTF.

Do we know the Onager pricing yet?

ronin_cse wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
I just want to point out something that passed me by; these skittarii ranger squads are cheap!
You get a box of TEN models costing £23 - this actually seems like a good deal, very close to £2 a model; i've paid that for anvil industries stuff and i'm really pleased with what i bought from them.

$3.90 for the less squiggle-inclined*

Beautiful models, and the Codex is reasonably priced, but the Sicaran, Ironstrider, and Onager pricing is borderline WTF.

Do we know the Onager pricing yet?

IIRC $65.
I can't remember exactly where I read it. Take it with salt.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Super Newb wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Apologists and Strawmen abound!

My bed has no sides. It's a circle.

It has an inside and an outside. Checkmate atheists.

Dammit! I've been bested lol.

I'd have liked to see more weapon options. I'll look around at 3rd party bits and/or some FW guns and make it work, were I to start a small AdMech detachment.

hm, I'll wait to see the codex but if they do not include Graviton Guns and Grav Guns what's the point?

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
hm, I'll wait to see the codex but if they do not include Graviton Guns and Grav Guns what's the point?

Why would they?

As of right now, only Blood Angels and Codex: Space Marines have grav weaponry.

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
hm, I'll wait to see the codex but if they do not include Graviton Guns and Grav Guns what's the point?

The fluff in the codex states they sold all of their Grav Guns to the Space Marines. And then their Grav Gun Factory blew up. With the one guy who knew how to build them inside. RIP Grav Guns.

Do we have a battleforce discounted box set yet?

 Lobukia wrote:
Do we have a battleforce discounted box set yet?

It does not look like it.

Which is a shame, since Skitarii and Harlequin both would have benefited from such a box.
Even if it was only something like one of the most basic Formations packed into a box with a discount.

yeah but why would GW produce a box when they know everyone will buy them a la carte. loss leaders and low cost of entry products just dont seem to be what GW is interested in, as much as I would like it to be otherwise.

 Dramagod2 wrote:
yeah but why would GW produce a box when they know everyone will buy them a la carte. loss leaders and low cost of entry products just dont seem to be what GW is interested in, as much as I would like it to be otherwise.

At least the troops are a decent price. $32 US for ten guys is pretty good nowadays.

I would expect a battleforce in the the late summer.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I would expect a battleforce in the the late summer.

Do you have any kind of information for this, or just throwing it out there?

Because generally if there has been an army box, it comes out a week or two after the releases finish.

It's pretty rare for new kits to be in a boxed set so early. Most army boxed-sets tend to push stocks of older models alongside the new stuff. Brand-new stuff typically sells itself simply by being new, GW don't need to cut the price immediately.

My money says we'll see Harlequin and AdMech boxes around Xmas alongside new formation downloads, in much the same way as the Eldar Ghost Warriors box pushed the new Wraith model stock from earlier in that year.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I would expect a battleforce in the the late summer.

Do you have any kind of information for this, or just throwing it out there?

Because generally if there has been an army box, it comes out a week or two after the releases finish.

Im guessing its possible with the campaign book this kind of battleforce would fill a week so i guess it could make sense that they would dump it in one of the emptier months.

 Dramagod2 wrote:
yeah but why would GW produce a box when they know everyone will buy them a la carte. loss leaders and low cost of entry products just dont seem to be what GW is interested in, as much as I would like it to be otherwise.

Most releases have had a discounted battleforce type box.

I am not sure if this is Adeptus Mechanicus news. Next week Gw is releasing a new terrain kit is called The Plasma Obliterator.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Dramagod2 wrote:
yeah but why would GW produce a box when they know everyone will buy them a la carte. loss leaders and low cost of entry products just dont seem to be what GW is interested in, as much as I would like it to be otherwise.

Most releases have had a discounted battleforce type box.

Not usually sub codex ones.

 Dramagod2 wrote:
yeah but why would GW produce a box when they know everyone will buy them a la carte. loss leaders and low cost of entry products just dont seem to be what GW is interested in, as much as I would like it to be otherwise.

I dunno about that. Take the Grey Knight box for instance: for $240 +$20 for a character you can pretty easily make a 1500 pt army. Actually a really good entry into the hobby.

migooo wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Dramagod2 wrote:
yeah but why would GW produce a box when they know everyone will buy them a la carte. loss leaders and low cost of entry products just dont seem to be what GW is interested in, as much as I would like it to be otherwise.

Most releases have had a discounted battleforce type box.

Not usually sub codex ones.

I'm pretty sure Tempestus Scions got one with TS, Tauroxes and Valkyries.

Edit: yep, found it.