Adeptus Mechanicus for 40k new pics p162

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Requizen**

Enigwolf wrote:
Requizen wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
So no word on the cult detachment yet?

Maybe we'll see something in the next few days, but the codex itself should start leaking around Tuesday or Wednesday next week, including the Formations/Detachments.

Aren't the WD leaks from this sunday's WD? I'd expect 'dex leaks much earlier than Tues/Wed.

They're from the upcoming WD, which means preorders won't be available until Saturday. Books should get into stores sometime early next week depending on delivery days.

**Orock**

Can the new cult mechanics leader be attached to the kastellan robots? He would be able to stick the datasmith out front for a 2+ and when he dies the robots are still majority toughness 7.

**Desubot**

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Also, giving everything stubborn really helps against the psychic shriek shenanigans the eldar can play with.

Its not a moral test of any kind how does stubborn help?

**WrentheFaceless**

Orock wrote:
Can the new cult mechanics leader be attached to the kastellan robots? He would be able to stick the datasmith out front for a 2+ and when he dies the robots are still majority toughness 7.

ICs cant join units with Monsterous Creatures.

Datasmith seems to be an exception

Putting him with Kataphrons with majority toughness 5 isnt too bad though, and they're 2 wounds each and he can keep healing them up

**Nithoggr**

Orock wrote:
Can the new cult mechanics leader be attached to the kastellan robots? He would be able to stick the datasmith out front for a 2+ and when he dies the robots are still majority toughness 7.

There is a formation that allows this. The only thing I'm not sure about is if he/it replaces the datasmith or not.

**Leth**

ICs can't join but there is nothing stopping you from starting as part of the unit if you are bought with it

**axisofentropy**

The datasmith is a character but not an Independent Character. He's just like a sergeant.

So if all the robot MC's die, can an IC join the remaining datasmith?

**Leth**

axisofentropy wrote:
The datasmith is a character but not an Independent Character. He's just like a sergeant.

So if all the robot MC's die, can an IC join the remaining datasmith?

No reason they couldn't

**Enigwolf**

Better question - if the datasmith in one unit does, and the robots in another unit die, can the leftover units attach?

**Matt.Kingsley**

No as Datasmiths aren't ICs, just a character, like a Sergeant.

**Warhams-77**

Iuchiban is leaking rules with the Codex in hands:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403991-Adeptus-Mechanicus-Rumours&p=7452513&viewfull=1#post7452513

**WrentheFaceless**

Oh man hype time

Someone with a warseer account ask what the battle detatchment is in the formation

The +1 BS and ignore cover formation was confirmed, but appears to have a caveat to it

There are 4 formations:

- Cohort Cybernetica
1x Dominus
2 Kastelan Robot Maniples
Kastelan protocols have an inmediate effect when chosen
For every Datasmith and Dominus one Robot may fire to a different target.
Dominus and the 2 maniples are a single unit. Dominus may not abandon the unit.

- Elimination Maniple
2-3 unitos of Kataphron Destroyers
1-3 Kastelan Robot Maniples
If one Robot inflincts one unsaved wound or a penetrating hit with a weapon with the Luminogen SR, the rest of the formation gains +1BS and ignore cover when firing to that unit.

- Numinous Maniple
2-3 units of Fulgurite Electro-Priests
2-3 units of Corpuscarii Electo-Priests
If a Corpuscarii unit is at 6" or less of 1 or more Fulgurite unit, they gain +1 shot when firing. If one unit suffers one or more unsaved wounds, it is considered "electrified" until the end of turn.
If a Fulgurite units attacks in CC to an "electrified" unit, they reroll to wound

- Holy Requisitioner
1 Dominus
2-3 Kataphron Breachers
Deep Strike
They have to stay in Reserve. When deployed, the Dom¡nus does not scatter if deployed at 6" or less of an objective marker. Breachers do not scatter as long as they arrive at 6" or less of the Dominus.
They have the Zealot and Counterattack SR when at 6" or less from a objective marker.

**Shamanlord1961**

The Elimination Maniple makes a lot more sense then just a straight +1 BS and Ignore Cover. It is not as broke as I expected, but still a really solid choice.

**obsidiankatana**

Dear lord. IWND relic for the bearer and unit? Slot that into a Cohort Cybernetica and enjoy never dying ever.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Oh man hype time

Someone with a warseer account ask what the battle detatchment is in the formation

You mean the Cult + Skitarii + Knight thing? That's a WD formation, iirc.

**WrentheFaceless**

obsidiankatana wrote:
Dear lord. IWND relic for the bearer and unit? Slot that into a Cohort Cybernetica and enjoy never dying ever.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Oh man hype time

Someone with a warseer account ask what the battle detatchment is in the formation

You mean the Cult + Skitarii + Knight thing? That's a WD formation, iirc.

I know it is, we dont know what the Cult detatchment that is required for the WD formation consists of yet

**Kanluwen**

- Cohort Cybernetica
1x Dominus
2 Kastelan Robot Maniples
Kastelan protocols have an inmediate effect when chosen
For every Datasmith and Dominus one Robot may fire to a different target.
Dominus and the 2 maniples are a single unit. Dominus may not abandon the unit.

Hm...

Dominus
2x Kastelan Robot Maniples with 4x Robots and 2x Datasmiths each
Mashed into one giant unit of 8 Robots and 4 Datasmiths with a Dominus; meaning five of the eight robots can fire at different targets...if I'm reading this right.

**WrentheFaceless**

Kanluwen wrote:
- Cohort Cybernetica
1x Dominus
2 Kastelan Robot Maniples
Kastelan protocols have an inmediate effect when chosen
For every Datasmith and Dominus one Robot may fire to a different target.
Dominus and the 2 maniples are a single unit. Dominus may not abandon the unit.

Hm...

Dominus
2x Kastelan Robot Maniples with 4x Robots and 2x Datasmiths each
Mashed into one giant unit of 8 Robots and 4 Datasmiths with a Dominus; meaning five of the eight robots can fire at different targets...if I'm reading this right.

Yea you have 4 datasmiths total and one dominus, so 5 bots

**obsidiankatana**

Minimum maniple is 2x bots and a datasmith. Minimum formation is thus 4x bots, 2x smiths, 1x Dominus for (effectively) a 4x Robot split-fire (Dominus / Datasmiths / 1x Robot fire at one target, 3x Robots fire at 3x other targets).

**WrentheFaceless**

Expensive formation, but with so many T7 multi wound bodies with smiths/priests to tank with 2+ armor and the IWND relic and the Dominus restoring wounds

Thats one tough unit

If those are the only formations though, then the Battle Congregation Detatchment may very well be 1 hq and 2 troops

And in that case the WD formation is 1330 minimum using the tech priest and 2 units of breachers.

Very doable with plenty of points to max out squads with bodies or use Destroyers

**Orock**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Expensive formation, but with so many T7 multi wound bodies with smiths/priests to tank with 2+ armor and the IWND relic and the Dominus restoring wounds

Thats one tough unit

If those are the only formations though, then the Battle Congregation Detatchment may very well be 1 hq and 2 troops

And in that case the WD formation is 1330 minimum using the tech priest and 2 units of breachers.

Very doable with plenty of points to max out squads with bodies or use Destroyers

i hope that is wrong, or else its going to be a no brainer like decursion. Ironically I think the only time I would use it is against said formation. It just feels way to cheap.

**changemod**

It'll be more complicated than 1 HQ, 2 Troops at any rate. These unique detachments always have something odd to them.

**WrentheFaceless**

Perhaps, the base detatchment in the books have had some weird things but usually bare bones

1 troop 1 hq for GK
2 troops for Skitarii
etc

**nudibranch**

So, the Elimination Maniple is not nearly as scary as first rumored. Not too surprised, sounded too good to be true at first. Still not bad though.

The electropriest formatin makes them somewhat more usuable but they still seem too squishy (and expensive) to be worthwhile.

The Holy Requisitioner formation looks like it'll be very useful in objective missions and not much else. A bit too situational for TAC lists.

Though I'm not sure how useful it'll be, the Cybernetica Cohort looks FUN. Combined with relics (note that datasmiths can carry them), this could be the Deathstar to end all Deathstars...

**Orock**

I don't think its that had a deathstar. Most will run the guns on the robots. So the datasmiths will be the only source of str 8+ without using smash. One knight could charge in and kill the whole thing. Against a stompa similar results. Heck a unit of kills kans could do well at less than a third the cost. Thunderhammer termies and dreadknights would do good as well. Or a corpseclaw thief formation from dark eldar could drown them in poison. Not worth the 760 points you would spend for the formation, even with iwnd and the dominus to fix wounds.'

**jifel**

Orock wrote:
I don't think its that had a deathstar. Most will run the guns on the robots. So the datasmiths will be the only source of str 8+ without using smash. One knight could charge in and kill the whole thing. Against a stompa similar results. Heck a unit of kills kans could do well at less than a third the cost. Thunderhammer termies and dreadknights would do good as well. Or a corpseclaw thief formation from dark eldar could drown them in poison. Not worth the 760 points you would spend for the formation, even with iwnd and the dominus to fix wounds.'

A fine idea until they use Canticles of the Omnissiah for +3 strength and beat the crap out of whatever charged them.

**nudibranch**

Doesn't sound effective, but it sounds fun to me.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

jifel wrote:
Orock wrote:
I don't think its that had a deathstar. Most will run the guns on the robots. So the datasmiths will be the only source of str 8+ without using smash. One knight could charge in and kill the whole thing. Against a stompa similar results. Heck a unit of kills kans could do well at less than a third the cost. Thunderhammer termies and dreadknights would do good as well. Or a corpseclaw thief formation from dark eldar could drown them in poison. Not worth the 760 points you would spend for the formation, even with iwnd and the dominus to fix wounds.'

A fine idea until they use Canticles of the Omnissiah for +3 strength and beat the crap out of whatever charged them.

I will point out that requires 8+ units on the board.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

So if I want an Elimination Maniple, is there anyway to bring a Dominus, or have I now gone unbound?

It sounds like the only way to bring a Dominus and an Elimination Maniple to a list, would be to bring the Dominus in a CAD (or one of the other formations he is in?), and the Elimination Maniple.

That means tomorrow I am buy him, four boxes of Kataphon, and the two Kastallen boxes I wanted. Ouch.

I really was hoping for essentially an Elimination Maniple + Dominus to add to my Skitarii/Blood Angels list.

**Requizen**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So if I want an Elimination Maniple, is there anyway to bring a Dominus, or have I now gone unbound?

It sounds like the only way to bring a Dominus and an Elimination Maniple to a list, would be to bring the Dominus in a CAD (or one of the other formations he is in?), and the Elimination Maniple.

That means tomorrow I am buy him, four boxes of Kataphon, and the two Kastallen boxes I wanted. Ouch.

I really was hoping for essentially an Elimination Maniple + Dominus to add to my Skitarii/Blood Angels list.

Yeah, that's how Formations work. You only get what's inside of it. If you want something not in the Formation, you need to take it elsewhere or go Unbound.

If you're doing Skitarii/Blood Angels, you can just make it an Allied Detachment and only need the Dominus + 1 unit of Troops.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Still, that sucks... It means the minimum investment if I want a battle-forged list, is three units of Kataphon (one for the allied detachment), one/two Kastellan (for the Elimination Maniple), and my Dominus for the allied detachment.

Points-wise, it is a huge investment, and all because I REALLY want a Space Pope. :-p

Edit: Yikes. 920pts if you take the, essentially mandatory, shooty Kastellans... Though you will end up with a hell of a wall of shooting. Still, at 1500pts, it severely diminishes my hope of a take-all-comers list that also has Flesh Tearers for Pods, and loads of Skitarii Vanguard with Arc Rifles.

**WrentheFaceless**

WD formation is looking pretty good now, hopefully the detatchment force org chart is confirmed soon