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 Asherian Command wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
You don't even have to test the children, test the parents. Breed them like race horses and have who bloodlines who have given dozens of children to a chapter.

Well the tests are more of willpower and skill.

There are no astartes with mental issues that plague modern day society.

I think testing them is helpful I think they just need to decrease their standards and just recruit a large amount of men.

generally speaking the exact standards vary from chapter to chapter. so thats a hard statement to make.

Most the tests are based on that. The only ones that are outside of strength was knowledge from the Blood Ravens.

that we know of, thing is there are something like 1000 space marine chapters each has their own recruiting rules and standards.

Ultramarines for example just skim the cream off the military academies of Ultramar. space wolves recruit proven warriors from the battlefields of fenris etc.
I suspect certin requirements are universal sure, but I suspect each chapter is ALSO looking for a "certain special something"

The Space Eugenicists. Their home planet is primarily a breeding program.

Consider that genes alone aren't the predictor for everything and that the Imperium doesn't necessarily have/understand perfect gene sequencing/reading technology.

also, the Marines are loathe to do anything that messes with a recruiting pool proven to produce good Marine stock. this is presumably exceptionally true with regards to the 1st founding chapters

Does Space Marine recruitment was supposed to make sense in the first place? I think we would all say that orks philosophy and technologie makes no sense, but that's the purpose. Space Marine recruitment is uselessly violent and difficult and is design to create the ultimate warrior. The idea is to show how deranged the Imperium and the Space Marine are. They recruit surviving little boys from the worst hell hole in the galaxy, make them do ridiculous tests before transforming them in giant brutes in power armor ready do destroy anything in their way. On paper it sound like a good idea to recruit great soldiers but when you inject reality this is what you got.

They recruit little boys from worlds were malnutrition, polution and hostile ecosystem or social structure produce generation of starving, weak children with many developpement problem. They were raised to survive in a world were everything is more powerful then them by scavenging, hiding and hoping that they would live to see another day. Harsh conditions doesn't make men grow into hero, it makes them into vermin and rats. It's those boys that are transformed into killing machines with the miracle of arcane science.

Ironically, only Ultramarines seems to have good recruitment tactics (that and maybe Grey Knights). I must admit that with the miriad of Chapters and diversity, they are certainly far from beeing the only ones. The cliché of the feral or feudal world recruitment ground is very popular thow.

epronovost wrote:
Does Space Marine recruitment was supposed to make sense in the first place? I think we would all say that orks philosophy and technologie makes no sense, but that's the purpose. Space Marine recruitment is uselessly violent and difficult and is design to create the ultimate warrior. The idea is to show how deranged the Imperium and the Space Marine are. They recruit surviving little boys from the worst hell hole in the galaxy, make them do ridiculous tests before transforming them in giant brutes in power armor ready do destroy anything in their way. On paper it sound like a good idea to recruit great soldiers but when you inject reality this is what you got.

They recruit little boys from worlds were malnutrition, polution and hostile ecosystem or social structure produce generation of starving, weak children with many developpement problem. They were raised to survive in a world were everything is more powerful then them by scavenging, hiding and hoping that they would live to see another day. Harsh conditions doesn't make men grow into hero, it makes them into vermin and rats. It's those boys that are transformed into killing machines with the miracle of arcane science.

Ironically, only Ultramarines seems to have good recruitment tactics (that and maybe Grey Knights). I must admit that with the miriad of Chapters and diversity, they are certainly far from beeing the only ones. The cliché of the feral or feudal world recruitment ground is very popular thow.

I made that point (paragraphs 1-2) a bit earlier in the thread but you phrased it a lot better.

Imperial fists recruit all over the place (including necromunda.)

That somthing id say is determination, the trials are tough, to succeed they must push beyond the norm to suivive the tests.

Trekking miles across feneris back to fang is a mental test as physical

 ImAGeek wrote:
The only bit that is stupid, thinking about it, is that they don't have a way of checking someone is eligible for the genetics/implants til they actually try it. The rest does seem just like normal military training just done harder.

Thats not true. They undergo a massive number of tests before they start the implantation process to ensure that they are compatible, but like anything the process is not perfect. The implants can still be rejected even if the host is compatible.

People reject compatible organ transplants all the time. Just because its compatible doesn't mean its guaranteed to work.

As for why they wait till puberty, its because that is the time when the body is most receptive to the changes that Astartification causes. There is little more training you could accomplish by getting another 10ish years of indoctrination. The 8-10 they receive before becoming a full marine is plenty.

I just don't think that it is acceptable that Space Marines recruit a bunch of people without knowing anything about their competent, their loyalty, their fitness and whether the geneseed will grow in them or now. It's a complete waste.

Instead, they can contact governments of planets and force them to carry out tests for all the children of their world themselves. Those strongest, with highest IQ, most loyal to the Emperor and has genetic code suitable for Chapter's due will be chosen and sent to the Astartes. Being chosen by the Space Marines should be considered an honor, and the children and their parents will do everything to prepare.

I feel like I should add this considering hive worlds were brought up.

 Stormwall wrote:
I feel like I should add this considering hive worlds were brought up.

Ahh I remember those days. Back when they showed diagrams not just stupid artwork....

epronovost wrote:
Does Space Marine recruitment was supposed to make sense in the first place? I think we would all say that orks philosophy and technologie makes no sense, but that's the purpose. Space Marine recruitment is uselessly violent and difficult and is design to create the ultimate warrior. The idea is to show how deranged the Imperium and the Space Marine are. They recruit surviving little boys from the worst hell hole in the galaxy, make them do ridiculous tests before transforming them in giant brutes in power armor ready do destroy anything in their way. On paper it sound like a good idea to recruit great soldiers but when you inject reality this is what you got.

They recruit little boys from worlds were malnutrition, polution and hostile ecosystem or social structure produce generation of starving, weak children with many developpement problem. They were raised to survive in a world were everything is more powerful then them by scavenging, hiding and hoping that they would live to see another day. Harsh conditions doesn't make men grow into hero, it makes them into vermin and rats. It's those boys that are transformed into killing machines with the miracle of arcane science.

Ironically, only Ultramarines seems to have good recruitment tactics (that and maybe Grey Knights). I must admit that with the miriad of Chapters and diversity, they are certainly far from beeing the only ones. The cliché of the feral or feudal world recruitment ground is very popular thow.

A lot of what you said is just plain not true. Every Astartes Chapter has different recruiting methods. The Dark Angels recruit from mostly feral worlds with Shamanistic cultures, where the populations are low and technology is almost nonexistent. This way, they don't have to worry about recruiting the kind of Vermin you described. The Space Wolves watch the warriors on Fenris and select the heroes from amongst them and then induct them into the Space Wolves. I HIGHLY doubt that there are any SM Chapters that recruit from the kind of population you just described. If you will, please name at least one.

Also, every Chapter trains its recruits differently. For instance, the Space Wolves generally only give around 3 years of training to their recruits before they become Blood Claws. Over this time, they are trained almost solely in hand-to-hand combat, CC weapons, survival, and teamwork/ pack mentality. After this, they spend are implanted with the organs and Geneseed and Canis Helix and locked up for several months while the Gene-seed matures and they learn to resist the urge to Wolf out. After this, they begin training with small arms, power armor, etc. but are still almost immediately inducted into the Blood Claws, where they receive the rest of their training while also being combat-ready should a Great Company need fresh meat.

@dusara217

I think I wasn't very clear or you simply didn't really read my post correctly. Here is the most important sentence of my post and it SUPPORT your opinion.

«I must admit that with the miriad of Chapters and diversity, they are certainly far from beeing the only ones.» (talking about Space Marine with good recruitment technics)

My only objection was to recruit from low tech world because condition are so poor that they produce human who had to suffer smallpox, rachitism, polio, jaundice, chickenpox (a deadly disease in a low hygiene society like those of feral world) and that's not counting malnutrition, So yes it seems that Dark Angel recruit in worlds were the average size of a healthy adult male is 1,60 meter (about 5,5 foot) and in much less combative state than your average modern men. But then again these are fantasy world so anything goes in the end.

epronovost wrote:
@dusara217

I think I wasn't very clear or you simply didn't really read my post correctly. Here is the most important sentence of my post and it SUPPORT your opinion.

«I must admit that with the miriad of Chapters and diversity, they are certainly far from beeing the only ones.» (talking about Space Marine with good recruitment technics)

My only objection was to recruit from low tech world because condition are so poor that they produce human who had to suffer smallpox, rachitism, polio, jaundice, chickenpox (a deadly disease in a low hygiene society like those of feral world) and that's not counting malnutrition, So yes it seems that Dark Angel recruit in worlds were the average size of a healthy adult male is 1,60 meter (about 5,5 foot) and in much less combative state than your average modern men. But then again these are fantasy world so anything goes in the end.

They also recruit from several worlds as well. Not just deathworlds.

Imperial Fists recruit from Terra, Necromunda and several other worlds.

The Raven Guard recruit specifically from Nocturne.

Iron Hands recruit from techno barbarians.

Salamanders recruit from the villages that are apparently quite advanced.

Its quite interesting. There are alot f chapters that don't do what the dark angels do.

There are a number of advantages to recruiting from a feral world.

1) The recruits will already have been accustomed to fighting and a difficult lifestyle.

2) Weak recruits will already have died.

3) Its a little easier to convince the primitives to give up their children to the "messengers of the gods" then it is to organize a large scale planetary search wasting the resources of the Imperium to do something unnecessary.


Also, a feral world will NOT actually have worse conditions or hygiene than your other options. People who are living a nomadic hunter-gatherer life style will actually be quite healthy. They're not living in the squalor which breeds disease, they'll also have a pretty darn healthy diet.

Thats much healthier than your typical underhive dweller or someone living in the equivalent of the middle ages.

Just because they have primitive technology doesn't mean they're necessarily healthier. Modern society is healthy despite the fact we live bunched together. If you don't live like that, then even without modern medicine you can eliminate a lot of diseases.

 Grey Templar wrote:
There are a number of advantages to recruiting from a feral world.

1) The recruits will already have been accustomed to fighting and a difficult lifestyle.

2) Weak recruits will already have died.

3) Its a little easier to convince the primitives to give up their children to the "messengers of the gods" then it is to organize a large scale planetary search wasting the resources of the Imperium to do something unnecessary.


Also, a feral world will NOT actually have worse conditions or hygiene than your other options. People who are living a nomadic hunter-gatherer life style will actually be quite healthy. They're not living in the squalor which breeds disease, they'll also have a pretty darn healthy diet.

Thats much healthier than your typical underhive dweller or someone living in the equivalent of the middle ages.

Just because they have primitive technology doesn't mean they're necessarily healthier. Modern society is healthy despite the fact we live bunched together. If you don't live like that, then even without modern medicine you can eliminate a lot of diseases.

Actually those are great points. XD

The Imperium does not approach things from a purely rational, efficient, or scientific perspective. Remember it is a theocracy and religious/spiritual elements factor into its ideology and decision making.

The trials Chapters put candidates through are more than just physical trials but trials of their spirit (and by that I don't mean something that can be measured on psychological tests). Remember this is an Imperium that views enduring pain and suffering to be spiritually uplifting or purifying.

The physical aspects of the candidates are clearly only part of the story. For example, the Blood Angels recruit from essentially the starved nomadic feral children of an irradiated toxic wasteland, who by all rights should make for horrible soldiers given their likely poor state of health. Yet somehow the Marine creation process can transform these children into physically robust and healthy Marines, so clearly it isn't just purely the physical attributes that are being tested. I would say it is that "will to live" and keep on going no matter what that they look for, and which the Imperium views as more likely to occur in children from disadvantaged environments such as death worlds and the toxic slums of an underhive.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
OP looking at some of your past threads I often wonder why you stick around for 40k

Exalted for truth.

OP, You don't see me going to GTA forums and saying that it's the worst game series ever. (which isn't true anyways. Assassins creed is the worst, GTA gets 2nd place)


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Also, the best reason for the way recruiting is now is because it tests the persons character, once they're old enough to have any developed.

And I think Dark Angels Pre-Heresy had survival rate up to the upper 90 percentile? Someone fact check that, it's been a while since I'd read it.

epronovost wrote:
Does Space Marine recruitment was supposed to make sense in the first place? I think we would all say that orks philosophy and technologie makes no sense, but that's the purpose. Space Marine recruitment is uselessly violent and difficult and is design to create the ultimate warrior. The idea is to show how deranged the Imperium and the Space Marine are. They recruit surviving little boys from the worst hell hole in the galaxy, make them do ridiculous tests before transforming them in giant brutes in power armor ready do destroy anything in their way. On paper it sound like a good idea to recruit great soldiers but when you inject reality this is what you got.

They recruit little boys from worlds were malnutrition, polution and hostile ecosystem or social structure produce generation of starving, weak children with many developpement problem. They were raised to survive in a world were everything is more powerful then them by scavenging, hiding and hoping that they would live to see another day. Harsh conditions doesn't make men grow into hero, it makes them into vermin and rats. It's those boys that are transformed into killing machines with the miracle of arcane science.

Ironically, only Ultramarines seems to have good recruitment tactics (that and maybe Grey Knights). I must admit that with the miriad of Chapters and diversity, they are certainly far from beeing the only ones. The cliché of the feral or feudal world recruitment ground is very popular thow.

I i instead of making them vermin, it makes them survivors. Men who can and will do whatever it is they have to. After their training, and with some help from conditioning, you have the perfect template for the space marine. A hardened to the core superhuman killing machine who is also a genius.

Its over-the-top in all the right ways

@Grey Templar

I must admit your point 3 is very compeling and I haven't thought about it. Managing Feral and other low tech worlds has its advantages. It's cheap and easy, locals are very loyal and they may even actively try to provied you with good recruits without any other incentives. Just for that, I would say you are right on the recruitment of Space Marine. It's not as dumb as I thought. I was wrong

In all fairness thought, I must mention the following point for educationnal purpose ( I am an history teacher I do that a lot, sorry.).

Nomadic hunter-gatherer have terrible life conditions. They suffer systematically from malnutrition at one point or another. Their diet can be good during summer and automn in certain area, but in winter or ecologicaly poor environment, it's terrible. Hygene condition in nomadic camps are a bit better than the worst hamlet of the pre-industrial era or squalors of modern city but not by much. You still defacate in a hole not so far from your tent and you sleep on the floor where all kinds of parasites and scavangers will happily visit you during your sleep (beds were invented to solve that major health problem). You also find yourself, more often than not, sleeping all bunched up together with your tribesmate for protection and sometime warmth. Rain, storms, cold or hot weather can be deadly and bring disease. Without artificial irrigation, even short drought can force you to starve. You can't make much reserves when there is plenty of everything so when you get unlucky, you suffer a lot more. Nomads never were very numerous because of their incredible death rate (especially child death). The secret of our current success rest on the shoulder of modern science. It's vaccine, antibiotics, germs theory, cell theory and genetics that allowed human to become taller, stronger, faster and healthier than ever before.

I am unsure about the argument with the DA. I don't think recruitment is stupid. It is the will to thrive, more than just live that makes it so appealing to abide by this process. Often times shortcuts seriously feth up Marines overal rendering them useless or too heavily mutated. Actually afaik, tampering with Astartes programs useless feths all, from founding programs (see cursed founding,) to recruitment programs. Also, feral worlds, hive worlds, death worlds, even pleasure worlds though risky.

Honestly to a mere man or woman Astartes can be ( and arguably are,) considered god like and a living connection to the big E, (by guardsman for instance,) and referred to by the title Lord. (Unsure about this last bit, though as I think this happens mostly in the game Space Marine and some BL books. So don't take this point seriously until I can cite refrence.)

This makes it easy to recruit from any world. Look at fleet chapters, they don't give a single feth where they get their due, unless another chapter already controls that area in the long term. Actually, it could be argued almost nothing is off limits to recruit from within reason.

The Fists and BT come to mind for fleet shenanigans, along with Sallies for villages. Look at the Iron Snakes as well for culture/fluff reasons. I know they have light mention of recruitment and neophyte trials. You may think recruitment is stupid but, this is one of the SM's greatest strengths, both in usage in the Imperium and from a reader/fan POV. Wi5hiut this 3ssential process Marines wouldn't be what they are. They would still be Marines but, more prone to genetic defect, character flaws and overall the entire culture damaged.

Look at the novel Sons of Dorn. Perfectly executed IMO and though dated it is a good read. Read that and then tell us if you think this is still stupid. I doubt you will, your posts are rather negative concerning Marines and 40k. Regardless, if you do and still disagree, refer to the original legions who bashed through most of the issues causes by current process.

And to reply to Asherian Command, I was too young to remember that time but, I have made it a habit to inject the old school into new school. I have delved into many white dwarfs and deep into sketchy PDF websites to bring RT and 2nd back to life.

Those were the days. My first models were 2nd edition Marines and some RT HQ's in 4th-5th edition off ebay. Got demolished by Orks. Those were the days indeed, though for some reason RT holds a huge part of my heart as far as the hobby goes now.

epronovost wrote:
@Grey Templar

I must admit your point 3 is very compeling and I haven't thought about it. Managing Feral and other low tech worlds has its advantages. It's cheap and easy, locals are very loyal and they may even actively try to provied you with good recruits without any other incentives. Just for that, I would say you are right on the recruitment of Space Marine. It's not as dumb as I thought. I was wrong

In all fairness thought, I must mention the following point for educationnal purpose ( I am an history teacher I do that a lot, sorry.).

Nomadic hunter-gatherer have terrible life conditions. They suffer systematically from malnutrition at one point or another. Their diet can be good during summer and automn in certain area, but in winter or ecologicaly poor environment, it's terrible. Hygene condition in nomadic camps are a bit better than the worst hamlet of the pre-industrial era or squalors of modern city but not by much. You still defacate in a hole not so far from your tent and you sleep on the floor where all kinds of parasites and scavangers will happily visit you during your sleep (beds were invented to solve that major health problem). You also find yourself, more often than not, sleeping all bunched up together with your tribesmate for protection and sometime warmth. Rain, storms, cold or hot weather can be deadly and bring disease. Without artificial irrigation, even short drought can force you to starve. You can't make much reserves when there is plenty of everything so when you get unlucky, you suffer a lot more. Nomads never were very numerous because of their incredible death rate (especially child death). The secret of our current success rest on the shoulder of modern science. It's vaccine, antibiotics, germs theory, cell theory and genetics that allowed human to become taller, stronger, faster and healthier than ever before.

While its true that their health wouldn't be perfect, it would have been better than anyone living in a simple agrarian or feudal society.

Remember that, while you are defecating close to camp, camp is always moving. Malnutrition is a problem, but the lifestyle does weed out the weak. I recently read a fascinating article on bones, how our hunter-gatherer ancestors had far stronger skeletons because they were constantly stressing them. Later farmers had less dense bone matter, they were also shorter due to having less protein in their diet.

Ultimately, the benefits outweigh the downsides when deciding what type of world to recruit from.

There is another reason as well. Astartes recruiting worlds do not pay the tithe. You don't want to lose out on a revenue stream from an advanced world when you could get just as good recruits from a world that would otherwise provide nothing or require substantial investment to make productive.

Most of Space Marine recruitment makes sense in 40K. It's over the top, insane, but has a tiny kernel of truth, and there's a certain logic to it.

Personally, I think the stupidest marine recruitment belongs to the Mortifactors. Cannibals, the health problems associated with that are off the wall, and untreatable. There is stupid recruitment.

1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.

The impirium does not care, human life is worth less than a lasgun.
That marine is a elite warrior capable of serving for hundreds of years, suvivimg damage few other beings can and capable of suvivimg in almost any environment.

1000 is a good trade by there odds.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.

Source?

Also, as it has been previously stated, feral worlds would produce stronger (mentally and spritually) recruits for the Space Marines. It also seems like the Space Marines from Feral Worlds would be far better at combating monstrous creatures. And, hunter-gatherers would not be the only cultures/tribes/peoples found on Feral Worlds. You would still have the small, minimal-tech (fire and wheel) agrarian cultures. There would still be the people like the Romans, who dominate the tribes around them and live off of conquest. There would still be the tribes like the Vikings (Fenris), like Native Americans (who were usually quite healthy and strong warriors), like the Kingdom of England (doesn't make it a feudal world if there are only a few feudalisms amongst hundreds of other cultures), etc. etc. Feral Worlds aren't just African Tribes running around cutting people's heads off, they're just insanely low-tech, and thus don't have the same benefits as, say, a Hive World.

As far as Baal goes, the Tribes of the Blood actually aren't starving, malnourished savages running around trying to join the Bangels. They have a fair amount of high-tech equipment, sufficient food to feed their families, and generally lead okay lives in comparison to most Hive dwellers. They're basically techno-barbarians.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.

The impirium does not care, human life is worth less than a lasgun.
That marine is a elite warrior capable of serving for hundreds of years, suvivimg damage few other beings can and capable of suvivimg in almost any environment.

1000 is a good trade by there odds.

I'm not asking you to validate it by any point. The base number sucks and worse it's how many intakes it takes to get a Space Marine. I hope seriously Empy weren't pleased with that number of rejections.

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.

The impirium does not care, human life is worth less than a lasgun.
That marine is a elite warrior capable of serving for hundreds of years, suvivimg damage few other beings can and capable of suvivimg in almost any environment.

1000 is a good trade by there odds.

I'm not asking you to validate it by any point. The base number sucks and worse it's how many intakes it takes to get a Space Marine. I hope seriously Empy weren't pleased with that number of rejections.

Pre-Heresy, the Dark Angels had more than a 90% success rate with their Astartes. It's in Fallen Angels, when Zahariel is making a report to Lion el'Jonson.

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.

The impirium does not care, human life is worth less than a lasgun.
That marine is a elite warrior capable of serving for hundreds of years, suvivimg damage few other beings can and capable of suvivimg in almost any environment.

1000 is a good trade by there odds.

I'm not asking you to validate it by any point. The base number sucks and worse it's how many intakes it takes to get a Space Marine. I hope seriously Empy weren't pleased with that number of rejections.

Life is cheap, it was cheap in the 31st millennium. Its even cheaper in 41st millennium.

The Imperium has, almost, literally infinite manpower. A million worlds, countless trillions of people constantly giving birth. They could recruit and lose billions and billions of soldiers a year and not be even close to running out of people.

Really, 1000 people to make a Space Marine is trivial.

Depends how many recruits you need, 10,000 recruits, you need 10 graduates to become marines, part of that number may reflect that depending on population that some take a lot better to geneseed, different geneseeds may have deffrent rejection rates and not everyone even chosen becomes a marine. Some don,t work out and end up dead, broken or half augmented.

Also how pure is it, early generation is going to be pure as can get. Later may less and more prone to loss,s.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
1000 lives to one Space Marines. And that's rough estimate. Of course that's flawed. I seriously hope Robute Guilliman's viewpoint of the situation was not how Empy saw the whole thing. It just a suggestion. But comeon, 1000 human lives to pay for one Space Marine in an ideal universe? That doesn't sound ideal to me.

There are quadrillions of humans in the Imperium. Their lives are worth less then the dirt they're standing on. The Imperium could lose ten billion people in a single second and they wouldn't even notice. It wouldn't even be on the level of a speedbump. Trading a thousand people for one space marine is practically free for the Imperium, because the human population is so large it bounces back instantly.